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[Blog] Ten Defeats in Thirteen? A Little Historical Context
Written by CherryHintonBlue on Monday, 13th Dec 2010 12:24

Six successive league defeats, nine in eleven games, ten in thirteen... it doesn't look good, but it has happened before, as Chris Rand explains.

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A run of 10 defeats in 13 league matches might seem like rock bottom, but the club has had worse: in fact, Town have suffered 10 in 13 twice before, an even-worse 11 in 13 on two occasions, and once, in the mid-sixties, a hopeless 12 in 13. However, there probably won't be any fans who remember the only previous time 10 in 13 happened at this level, because that was back in the 1954/55 season.

There had been a 10 defeats in 13 league matches sequence in 1951/52 in the old Division Three (South), but that unwanted record would be beaten three seasons later, the club's first ever in Division Two, after having come up as champions.

This was under former Manchester United boss Scott Duncan, who had patiently spent the club's first ten seasons as a professional outfit getting to that point. The promotion, however, proved too much, and Ipswich finished second-bottom of the table. A record of 11 defeats in 13 matches was reached in November with an away defeat at Derby County, who were plummeting down the table with Town and who would eventually finish bottom.

Duncan stood down at the start of the following season, back in Division Three (South), having been at the helm for Town's first eleven professional seasons, spread over 18 years which included the Second World War period.

It would be nearly ten years until Town went on a similarly poor run, but in the intervening years Sir Alf Ramsey had been and gone, and left the club in the top flight for the first time in its history. After the astonishing first-attempt title-winning exploits of 1961-62, Ramsey's team faded badly in its second season at the highest level, and towards the end of that campaign Newcastle legend Jackie Milburn took over a side which only narrowly avoided relegation.

In his first (and only) full season in charge, 1963/64, Milburn couldn't stop the rot, and Town were sent back to the Second Division with a record of played 42, lost 26 and conceded 121. Late in November, a home defeat to Tottenham Hotspur marked 12 defeats in 13 games, a sequence never suffered before or since.

Twenty years later, Bobby Ferguson was the man in Milburn's position, having to follow a managerial legend at Ipswich. In 1983/84, things started off well with eight matches unbeaten, but then faded badly. Ferguson's team suddenly found wins very hard to come by right through to Easter, and in March a defeat away at Everton marked a seventh defeat in a row, and Town were third from bottom, in imminent danger of relegation.

It was also the fourth occurrence in the club's history of our old friend, 10 defeats in 13 league matches. However, from then on, suddenly, Ipswich would only lose one of the last 10 games. Finishing with five wins out of six, the club would surge up to 12th. Ferguson had another three seasons in charge, including a full season after a relegation.

Step forward another ten years, to 1994/95, John Lyall's fifth season in charge, and the third season of the new 'Premier League'. The first two of these had both seen Ipswich narrowly avoid relegation. It was a season where Town never really got going at all, and in mid-November, lost 1-3 at home to eventual champions Blackburn, marking 10 defeats in 13 league matches for the fifth time in the club's history.

Two matches later, Lyall was gone, to be replaced a few weeks later by George Burley. In the meantime, however, a home draw with Wimbledon under the caretaker management of Paul Goddard and John Wark, just before Burley's appointment, prevented an 11-from-13 sequence of defeats from being hit for the third time in the club's history.

Despite a couple of early victories for Burley (including that famous Adam Tanner winner at Anfield), he couldn't lift the club out of its predicament, and in April 1995 a 1-4 defeat away at Arsenal marked a joint club-record eighth consecutive loss, and the reoccurrence of the 11 defeats in 13 matches sequence. Relegation was inevitable, but unlike the previous two occasions, the club did not dispense with Burley's services, and would eventually be rewarded with promotion five seasons later.

And so to 2010/11, and 10 defeats in 13 league matches for the sixth time ever. Will the club continue with the current manager? A sequence like this saw the departures of Scott Duncan, Jackie Milburn and John Lyall, but it was probably clear in every case that their time was up. It did not see the end of either Bobby Ferguson or George Burley, and in both cases the club would stick with the manager for several more seasons.

Ferguson turned things round as quickly as he'd let them go backwards, although he'd found his limit, and Burley was to embark on one of the steadiest rebuilding campaigns in the club's history. Older supporters who've seen it all before may be more inclined to give Roy Keane plenty more time.




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Bluebaz added 12:50 - Dec 13
Good blog with some interesting stat's, I though am an 'older' fan approaching 40 years following the club and although I missed the Milburn era I sat through the Ferguson, Duncan and Lyall errors (sic) I would say that the current style of play and lack of hope the fan's are witnessing is real and we are in terrible danger of going down (which is a huge problem compared with 20 and 30 years ago)

In 18 months in charge we have seen nothing which would tell us good times are around the corner as we have stumbled from one hap hazard performance to another. We have been an utter shambles on live tv in front of the nation countless times and now more than ever we need to cut loose from this nightmare and start afresh!
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rml123 added 12:54 - Dec 13
Interesting article but an odd conclusion. As far as i can see, this sort of run leads to a sacking or relegation or both. In the only instance it didn't (Ferguson's 12th), the decline continued and we ended up relegated in a subsequent season.
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EatonBlue added 12:54 - Dec 13
I'm a bit of a 'statto' and enjoyed reading your blog.
I well remember the 1963/64 fiasco which included away defeats of 10-1 and 9-0.
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CherryHintonBlue added 13:07 - Dec 13
Bluebaz, I would certainly agree that the standard of football for 18 months has been appalling, although as EatonBlue points out, we've had a lot worse results. And rml123, you're right, I was just trying to say that many older supporters might give Keane more time simply because Burley and Ferguson proved to be better than those sequences suggested (although history showed us that Ferguson didn't take us anywhere, it's true). Me, I find myself pining for the Joe Royle era, and who'd have thought any of us would ever have said that at the time?
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Upbeat~ added 14:26 - Dec 13
I agree with whoever said that was an odd conclusion to reach. Still, a very informative blog.
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Joe01 added 23:10 - Dec 13
On the blog history for Cheryhintonblue: "Town are playing to play-off standards."
PMSL.....
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TractorRoyNo1 added 23:37 - Dec 13
I didn't witness those periods in the 50's, but can sadly remember most of the others, you forgot to mention that we also had the dreadful Mick McGiven at the helm when Lyall 'went upstairs'.
We often hear about all the good work - and rightly so - that Cobbold Bros did for us, but it was them who also appointed Milburn and Ferguson as replacement for great managers, and both were not given the funds to rebuild the teams or to stop the best players leaving.
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naa added 12:21 - Dec 14
I think the key here is that the manager's who were not sacked were given time because it was accepted that they were in a difficult position.

Ferguson took over from Bobby Robson with a team already being sold off left right and centre and being given littel money to spend.

Burley was never really expected to keep the team up and so was never going to be sacked for that. As his later exploits proved.

Keane, however, took over a team doing perfectly well (who had only missed out on the play-offs by a point the previous year) and was given plenty of money to improve.

That he has made the team steadily worse since then and has resulted in this means, for me, that there's no hope he will suddenly fix everything.

I think his bridges have been burnt and he needs to leave. I'm amazed he still has a job frankly. I'd like to know what Marcus Evans is currently thinking. He must be desperately hoping that Roy will suddenly fix everything. But even if we start picking up a few wins do people really think that all will be well? That Roy really has fixed it? Unless we suddenly become brilliant I just can't see how anyone will want Roy in charge.
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lunatic38 added 16:49 - Dec 14
when i read "it has hapened before" i immedietely thought of last season under keane? lol
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TractorRoyNo1 added 10:46 - Dec 15
hindsight is supposed to be good, do you really think we were good under Magilton?


naa added 12:21 - Dec 14
Keane, however, took over a team doing perfectly well
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Back_The_Boss added 12:13 - Dec 18
Very informative, 6 straight defeats and I don't know where the next win is coming from. We can't even pick points up from Preston who are bottom!
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Back_The_Boss added 07:25 - Dec 19
The next win comes from Leicester! COYB! Lets push up the league now.
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