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Are You Moaning or Giving Your Opinion?
Written by ipswich134 on Thursday, 22nd Sep 2016 09:25

Someone said I am entitled to an opinion, what is an opinion? If an opinion is what you see and feel, or for something to be done in another way - please say it! However, do keep in mind what you say.

Ask yourself a simple question, are you negative to the point where it's no longer an opinion but mere moaning. Take for example, after a match, our team lost and the comments that the team played rather poorly; the defence is in shambles... It probably makes you feel better but if it keeps going on this way, do people listen to you any more? Is it purposeful or just pure moaning?

If every post is just "I hate this","I hate that" my question to you is: what value are you adding to that post. The answer, in my opinion, is nothing. It's just pure noise. If you make comments such as, "Maybe he should have done this or that" - balanced and with some value - will people react more positively to you?

The bottom line is this, these opinions are yours but do you want people to appreciate them or just let them be a moaning session? What do I do when I have nothing good to say? If you have nothing edifying to say, keep quiet. Learn to keep your comments to yourself. What is opinion and what is moaning (see below). The choice is yours.

Moan - to moan means to complain or speak in a way which shows your are unhappy.
Opinion - a personal view or attitude.




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KBsSocks added 11:10 - Sep 22
Are you complaining about moaning, i134 ?!
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carsey added 11:12 - Sep 22
It's my opinion that I am entitled to say whatever I wish (subject to the various laws of decency, libel slander etc).
Whether you or anyone else thinks it's just moaning is irrelevant it's still my opinion and equally valid.
If those who (in your opinion) just moan were quiet it would leave only those with positive things to say being heard and that would have the effect of making everything seem ok which it most definitely is not whilst McCarthy and Evans are in charge.

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leahcar88 added 11:40 - Sep 22
I badly want us to go up this year to see what the Evans and McCarthy MOANERS, moan about next.

SUPPORT YOUR CLUB
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TheSelkirk added 11:47 - Sep 22
A rather one sided perspective on the situation in my view (and mildly patronising). This blog does seem to suggest that a negative comment is a moan and that a moan is not an opinion. In turn, if it is not an opinion it does not warrant any consideration or credibility. This borders on censorship, ensuring that only positive views, justfied / supported or not, are welcome.

In my opinion ....

The vitriol and keyboard aggression that is generated spawns from both 'sides' - not just the 'moaners' - and, to me, this is the most unacceptable aspect of the entire situation. There is a real danger that the 'moaners' versus 'deluded souls' competition that exists on this site will soon become the principal feature of all threads. It should not be.

I have no doubt that there are a few that post 'flame' comments purely to antagonise others and prompt a reaction. However, I also believe that the vast majority of posters on TWTD have the best interests of the Town at heart - just with opposing views.

A post that is perceived to be 'negative' should not mean:

1) That the poster is simply a 'moaner'
2) That the poster wants Mick McCarthy out
3) That the poster is not a true fan
4) That the poster can be told to F off and support someone else

Equally, a 'positive' or up beat post should not mean:

1) That the poster is deluded or simply wrong
2) That the poster is blindly pro Mick McCarthy
3) That the poster can be told to F off or suffer similar abuse.

We should not be dipping into our bag of stereotypes and putting labels on people. Personally, I can say that there are a number of factors which frustrate me greatly. From time to time I air my views in this regard but that should not put me into a 'moaner' pigeonhole as I am equally inclined to praise where praise is due. I post when something that I have seen or heard prompts me to do so - irrespective of whether it is good or bad.

The constant sniping, abuse and oneupmanship that occurs does little to promote the opportunity to discuss or disagree in a constructive or grown up way. The 'mine's bigger than yours' approach in respect of who is the 'better' supporter is nonsensical (and subjective anyway) but seems to be incredibly important to some.

Everyone is entitled to a view / opinion. I would much prefer that the focus is not on any negativity toward the club / owner / manager but on a significant reduction in the amount of abuse and personal attacks that appear in the forum.

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Superblue95 added 12:25 - Sep 22
Is there any real point to this blog? After reading it I feel like I'm 8 years old and just had a lecture off my mother
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Bergholtblue added 13:31 - Sep 22
Well said Selkirk. Its not necessarily peoples comments about the state of the Game/Town (positive or negative), its the abuse that that person sometimes get for voicing that opinion, followed by abuse from the original poster against the second person for giving out abuse.... and so on.

If someone posts something you disagree with, ignore it! If you want to say something, be it negative or positive, then expand on the reason why you think that way and let's leave out the bitchiness.
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BlueandTruesince82 added 16:17 - Sep 22
Everyone is entitled to an oponion as to weather those opinions are idiotic or not is a different matter. I mean Donald Trump has opinions doesn't he, so did Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot. They all had opions...

Now whether they were sane ones of course.

I think the point above is are you capable of ofeeing sup port or reason for your opinion or do you lack the interleaved to do so.. . In some cases one wonders?
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Surco72 added 18:22 - Sep 22
I think the point you are obviously missing is that everyone supports Ipswich , not everyone supports MM . The supporters will still follow Ipswich way after MM has gone as they did with all previous managers before .
I for one find MM s style not the way i believe an Ipswich side or in that fact any football side should play . It will have it's share of success at what cost but will ultimately only take you so far as MM has been found out on numerous occasions in the top flight .
To those that are called moaners for not agreeing with everything the manager decides
without them , would Keane still be in charge ? Jewell ?
Playing the same team however they play will bring about complancy and an average performance which s exactly where we are as a team , win one lose one draw one .
Where is the entertainment ?
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stormypetrel added 21:10 - Sep 22
On occasion it is a world of darkness, akin to the dirge of Mercy Belle....spot on Ipswich134
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SpiritOfJohn added 21:57 - Sep 22
Another blog moaning about moaning fans - or are you voicing an opinion? Oh, the irony.
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ipswich134 added 22:10 - Sep 22
The whole blog as the title suggest is just asking a simple question? Are you giving an opinion or moaning? Never did I say someone can't give an opinion.
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ipswich134 added 22:16 - Sep 22
The first paragraph, clearly says if you have an opinion ..Please say it !
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Miles added 23:11 - Sep 22
Everyone can have an opinion and I agree on this. I do find some comments made on here are just idiotic though. There is no football club where all the fans are happy and that'll never change no matter who's in charge but it's difficult to discuss the games with fans who can't see why someone else is positive or negative about the situation and just dismiss their point of view completely. It's almost as if fans use TWTD to rant rather than give a balanced view of what's going on.
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armchaircritic59 added 23:36 - Sep 22
In my opinion, moaning is fine, with two caveats.

1) It doesn't degenerate into personal abuse.
2) The "moaner" offers some sort of constructive solution to the subject being moaned about.
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cornishblu added 08:46 - Sep 23
...sorry ...ridiculous blog .....when during the highlights on CH5 the presenter said that the interview with Mick was more entertaining that the football Ipswich play that sums up to me the reputation our club has ....if you are happy being the joke of the football league then carry on wearing your mick tinted glasses and accept this dreadful style of football ...I personally can't and won't ....I grew up on late 70,s early 80,s football and and despairing that my son has now had 10 years of absolute dross to watch ...and it's getting worse ....but that's "moaning" ...well if it is there's plenty more to come ...even if we were to win the next ten on the trot if the style of football remains the same , one dimensional , no plan b and round pegs in square holes I'll still raise concerns ....we should be laughing at "them down the road" ...sadly they dine out on us every weekend at the moment and that makes me moan COYB
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CalneBlue added 11:57 - Sep 23
Football is all about opinions and some opinions are indeed moans. Independent sites such as TWTD play a valuable role in letting supporters give positive and negative opinions. Those that are thoughtful and articulate are more interesting to read but there's still a role for less reasoned comments and ranting, cheering, etc. As TheSelkirk and others have pointed out it's tiresome, however, to see the kind of 'tribal' comments that try to put contributors in pro or anti camps. Most of us are 'true' Ipswich fans for better or worse.

For the record, I was very pleased with the MM appointment (solid track record, common sense approach) after the dark days of Keane and Jewell. However, for the often-stated reasons - awful to watch and often embarrassing football, outdated tactics, players out of position, refusal to change, etc - I've come to long for a fresh approach with an innovative management team.

This doesn't make me a disloyal fan, nor does voicing an opinion which might be interpreted as a moan.
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whosroundisitanyway added 12:46 - Sep 23
cornishblu
The presenter actually said that "the interview with mick was more entertaining than the game" which is completely different.
There have been some pretty unentertaining games between sides at the top of the prem.
I'm not entirely happy with the entertainment quality of football being served at the moment but we are far from being the joke of the football league.
Read Harry's posts & comments from fans of opposing teams. We are still very much respected & nobody's pushovers.
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cornishblu added 14:48 - Sep 23
Whosroundisitanyway .... Unbelievable ..it's why I scratch my head so much...Do you like arguing with yourself ...surely they are one of the same thing ..at the end of the day the interview was more entertaining than the football ...sad state of affairs ...unless of course boredom and tepidness are all you aspire to ??
I went and watched Accrington Stanley v West Ham on Wednesday and Accrington played better football than we currently do (...and before you ask why ..I was in London...it was £10 a ticket and
They were still in the Cup .......sadly our inspiring football didn't give us as town fans the same opportunity )
COYB
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whosroundisitanyway added 17:06 - Sep 23
cornishblue
I've been going to Portman Road for more than fifty years.
I've followed Town the length & breadth of the country & into Europe.
Boredom & tepidness are not even on my agenda let alone something I would aspire to.
I've seen them play pure football & seen them play pure crap but I've never been bored, do you know why? It's because my will to see them win, draw or just score a goal keeps me interested for the entire 90mins & beyond. Not necessarily happy but never bored.
Accrington Stanley are currently 11th in league 2 which is where we could easily be playing attractive football but not getting results. Football is a results based industry and with a base of good results the rest will follow.
Footballing history gives no divine right to continued success, just ask Saturday's opponents Leeds or Forest, Blackburn, Wednesday the list is endless.
For my part I'll continue to give 100% support to what's in front of me, even when not ecstatically happy & aspire to better things for the club that I love, while at the same time not giving down arrows to anyone who has the audacity to question the factual content of my posts.
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Tony88 added 14:51 - Sep 29
Yes everybody has a right to moan and have an opinion but all the moaners on this site have just become very boring, the same as they say MM is and the way we play. It is the same after every match boring comments the same over and over again. Comments made on this site should be constructive and not the same boring comments they come out with every week.

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