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Fake News 20:53 - Jan 16 with 5753 viewsDubtractor

That phrase is going to get pretty tired fairly soon isn't it?


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Fake News on 11:20 - Jan 17 with 1436 viewsgiant_stow

Fake News on 10:49 - Jan 17 by caught-in-limbo

Crikey, where are all these good posters suddenly coming from?

"IN JANUARY 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.”

and

"... cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth – despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie – is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it."

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-el


this phrase 'the deep state' is suddenly popping up everywhere.

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Fake News on 11:20 - Jan 17 by giant_stow

this phrase 'the deep state' is suddenly popping up everywhere.


It's probably only "popping up" for you because there is a need in the media you read to deny its existence.

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Fake News on 12:01 - Jan 17 with 1380 viewsgiant_stow

Fake News on 11:56 - Jan 17 by caught-in-limbo

It's probably only "popping up" for you because there is a need in the media you read to deny its existence.


Spikey!

Nope, quite the opposite as it happens - I've been reading some of your links or you-style pages and noticing a pattern. There was a cracking piece on zero hedge re the inauguration on Friday advising people to prepare provisions for any eventuality on Friday evening — no knowing what the deep state will do, especially with those white planes flying around ready to seize control of government (for instance).

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Fake News on 12:16 - Jan 17 with 1357 viewslowhouseblue

Fake News on 11:17 - Jan 17 by caught-in-limbo

Don't be so obtuse.

I imagine that at least one of the following will claim Russian hacking influenced the US election in favour of Trump:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/15/vladimir-putin-personally-directed-ru
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-anthony-cooper/russia-stole-the-presiden_b
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/10/cia-concludes-russia-interfered-
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html?_r=0
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/dec/01/russia-and-its-influ
http://europe.newsweek.com/did-russia-install-donald-trump-next-us-president-520
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/12/13919702/russian-hackers-donal
https://www.wired.com/2016/11/trumps-win-signals-open-season-russias-political-h
http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/11/18/could-russia-have-actually-hacked-the
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-cyber-russia-idUSKBN13Z05B
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/how-russia-wins-an-election-21452
http://uk.businessinsider.com/fbi-cia-russia-trump-2016-12?r=US&IR=T
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/white-house-is-clo
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/12/30/what-we-know-about-russias-hacking
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/what-we-know-about-russias-hacking-o
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/will-congress-investigate-russian-in
https://www.cnet.com/news/russia-putin-influence-us-election-donald-trump-intell

And this one is for BlueBadger:
http://www.snopes.com/2016/12/10/cia-russia-interfered-with-u-s-elections/

NOTE: This is not a comprehensive list.


not at all obtuse. what we know is that the russians hacked. what we assume is they did so with the intention of affecting result. i haven't seen any mainstream commentator say that it did affect the result. but it you want to spread fake news and lies that's up to you.

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Fake News on 12:01 - Jan 17 by giant_stow

Spikey!

Nope, quite the opposite as it happens - I've been reading some of your links or you-style pages and noticing a pattern. There was a cracking piece on zero hedge re the inauguration on Friday advising people to prepare provisions for any eventuality on Friday evening — no knowing what the deep state will do, especially with those white planes flying around ready to seize control of government (for instance).


Apologies, I didn't want to be "spikey" though I realise it may have come across that way.

two things:

1) could you link that zero hedge article
2) I'd love to know what my style pages are - can you enlighten me?

Thanks

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Fake News on 12:16 - Jan 17 by lowhouseblue

not at all obtuse. what we know is that the russians hacked. what we assume is they did so with the intention of affecting result. i haven't seen any mainstream commentator say that it did affect the result. but it you want to spread fake news and lies that's up to you.


so all those articles below which contain the words "stole the election" are actually saying "they didn't affect the result in any way at all"?

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Fake News on 13:18 - Jan 17 with 1299 viewslowhouseblue

Fake News on 13:10 - Jan 17 by caught-in-limbo

so all those articles below which contain the words "stole the election" are actually saying "they didn't affect the result in any way at all"?


the reasons why trump won are many and varied and important in themselves. the russian hack was not the decisive factor and no serious commentators have suggested it was.

you are trying to state what russia did in extreme terms in order to then belittle and dismiss it. it's what you do I guess. in non-extreme terms russia was behind the hacking but the result was not determined by the hacking. even trump accepts that.

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Fake News on 13:25 - Jan 17 with 1290 viewsgiant_stow

Fake News on 13:08 - Jan 17 by caught-in-limbo

Apologies, I didn't want to be "spikey" though I realise it may have come across that way.

two things:

1) could you link that zero hedge article
2) I'd love to know what my style pages are - can you enlighten me?

Thanks


No worries mrs.

1. ) I read a few yesterday - all very interesting:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-14/will-cia-assassinate-trump-ron-paul-war

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-10/deep-state-unelected-shadow-government-

and linked to from there: http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/why-was-a-mysterious-navy-plane-conducting

2.) Leftfield, alternative, non-mainstream media, usually with an anti-western bias.

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Fake News on 13:29 - Jan 17 with 1286 viewsBorisOrTrevor

Fake News on 13:18 - Jan 17 by lowhouseblue

the reasons why trump won are many and varied and important in themselves. the russian hack was not the decisive factor and no serious commentators have suggested it was.

you are trying to state what russia did in extreme terms in order to then belittle and dismiss it. it's what you do I guess. in non-extreme terms russia was behind the hacking but the result was not determined by the hacking. even trump accepts that.


There isn't a day that goes by when hacking/espionage does not happen on either side - the US has interfered with countless elections in the last 50 years including fermenting unrest in Russia. You reap what you sow and it seems to me that Putin and his buddies have been running rings around the US for the last few years.

Anyway, of more interest is why this "hacking" only became a news item after the election was done and dusted.

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Fake News on 13:33 - Jan 17 with 1267 viewsSteve_M

Fake News on 13:29 - Jan 17 by BorisOrTrevor

There isn't a day that goes by when hacking/espionage does not happen on either side - the US has interfered with countless elections in the last 50 years including fermenting unrest in Russia. You reap what you sow and it seems to me that Putin and his buddies have been running rings around the US for the last few years.

Anyway, of more interest is why this "hacking" only became a news item after the election was done and dusted.


Only after the election?


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Fake News on 13:39 - Jan 17 with 1258 viewsBorisOrTrevor

Fake News on 13:33 - Jan 17 by Steve_M

Only after the election?



Cant watch that at mo.

But..from memory it was to do with the fact she was conducting top secret government business on her own private email server? Sound fishy to you? I don't go about doing my work on my own email server, I use the work one - after all they are paying my salary. Hilary thinks she is above the law.

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Fake News on 13:42 - Jan 17 with 1250 viewsBorisOrTrevor

Fake News on 13:33 - Jan 17 by Steve_M

Only after the election?



The actual hack re the Podesta emails happened ages ago. No mention of it because the content was deemed to be more of a risk than the fact there was a leak. Now, once the unexpected had happened, forget the content and lets blow up the leak. All enabled by MSM and in particular CNN and the Washington Post - bigger purveyors of fake news than any other given their reach and so called respectability.

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Fake News on 13:45 - Jan 17 with 1246 viewsSteve_M

Fake News on 13:39 - Jan 17 by BorisOrTrevor

Cant watch that at mo.

But..from memory it was to do with the fact she was conducting top secret government business on her own private email server? Sound fishy to you? I don't go about doing my work on my own email server, I use the work one - after all they are paying my salary. Hilary thinks she is above the law.


There are two distinct issues:

1) Clinton's use of her own e-mail server
2) Russia's hacking and selective release of e-mails

Both were known about pre-election, the point is not one about Clinton it is about whether Russian hacking was known about before the election - it was.

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Fake News on 13:57 - Jan 17 with 1216 viewsBorisOrTrevor

Fake News on 13:45 - Jan 17 by Steve_M

There are two distinct issues:

1) Clinton's use of her own e-mail server
2) Russia's hacking and selective release of e-mails

Both were known about pre-election, the point is not one about Clinton it is about whether Russian hacking was known about before the election - it was.


By whom? Or do you know stuff I don't?!

It was Wikileaks that released the emails, not Russia and they maintain their source was not Russian (I for one trust Wikileaks as a source of information as to date nothing they have ever leaked has been proven to be a lie). It is inferred in the recent intelligence reports that the ultimate origin was Russia, without 100% concrete proof. It is still assertion.

Obviously re Clintons use of server, that has been going on for time eternal. Trump I believe in your clip was inviting Russia/China et al to hack her server to highlight the foolishness of what she was doing.

Your statement is nonsense and you clearly do not understand your own argument.

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Fake News on 14:02 - Jan 17 with 1200 viewsBorisOrTrevor

Fake News on 13:45 - Jan 17 by Steve_M

There are two distinct issues:

1) Clinton's use of her own e-mail server
2) Russia's hacking and selective release of e-mails

Both were known about pre-election, the point is not one about Clinton it is about whether Russian hacking was known about before the election - it was.


To be clear, as I typed that on phone when walking and am now at desk.

1. Clintons use of her own email has been going on/was an issue probably a year ago and before Trump even won the Republican nomination. Trump had no effect on this and she was foolish and brazen in doing so.

2. Russia DID NOT release the emails. Wikileaks DID - this is fact, to say it was Russia is an educated guess as to the ultimate source of the leak/hack. I also believe they/Wikileaks released them all as is their style, not sure there was anything selective about it. As I mentioned, you are completely side stepping the content.

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Fake News on 14:05 - Jan 17 with 1187 viewsElderGrizzly

Fake News on 13:57 - Jan 17 by BorisOrTrevor

By whom? Or do you know stuff I don't?!

It was Wikileaks that released the emails, not Russia and they maintain their source was not Russian (I for one trust Wikileaks as a source of information as to date nothing they have ever leaked has been proven to be a lie). It is inferred in the recent intelligence reports that the ultimate origin was Russia, without 100% concrete proof. It is still assertion.

Obviously re Clintons use of server, that has been going on for time eternal. Trump I believe in your clip was inviting Russia/China et al to hack her server to highlight the foolishness of what she was doing.

Your statement is nonsense and you clearly do not understand your own argument.


Trump admitted his news conference last week, that Russia had hacked with the intention to influence the election.

What isn't known is did that effect the result? I'd say no, as there was enough anti-Hillary sentiment to carry him to victory anyway.
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Fake News on 14:10 - Jan 17 with 1175 viewsgiant_stow

Fake News on 14:02 - Jan 17 by BorisOrTrevor

To be clear, as I typed that on phone when walking and am now at desk.

1. Clintons use of her own email has been going on/was an issue probably a year ago and before Trump even won the Republican nomination. Trump had no effect on this and she was foolish and brazen in doing so.

2. Russia DID NOT release the emails. Wikileaks DID - this is fact, to say it was Russia is an educated guess as to the ultimate source of the leak/hack. I also believe they/Wikileaks released them all as is their style, not sure there was anything selective about it. As I mentioned, you are completely side stepping the content.


Not picking a fight - just out of interest, how do you know they/russia released all and didn't select? Surely only the hackers responsible know what the totality of the material was?

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Fake News on 14:11 - Jan 17 with 1174 viewsBorisOrTrevor

Fake News on 13:57 - Jan 17 by BorisOrTrevor

By whom? Or do you know stuff I don't?!

It was Wikileaks that released the emails, not Russia and they maintain their source was not Russian (I for one trust Wikileaks as a source of information as to date nothing they have ever leaked has been proven to be a lie). It is inferred in the recent intelligence reports that the ultimate origin was Russia, without 100% concrete proof. It is still assertion.

Obviously re Clintons use of server, that has been going on for time eternal. Trump I believe in your clip was inviting Russia/China et al to hack her server to highlight the foolishness of what she was doing.

Your statement is nonsense and you clearly do not understand your own argument.


Sorry, just to make this clear.

The hacked/released/leaked emails were from the Democratic Parties email server and belonged to John Podesta (her campaign head) - not Hilary Clinton.

If they/Russia.China etc had hacked Clintons personal server (when she was Secretary of State 4/5 years ago) which she was using for governmental business (which is quite likely), then she would be even more at fault than she was.

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Fake News on 14:12 - Jan 17 with 1170 viewsWeWereZombies

Fake News on 14:05 - Jan 17 by ElderGrizzly

Trump admitted his news conference last week, that Russia had hacked with the intention to influence the election.

What isn't known is did that effect the result? I'd say no, as there was enough anti-Hillary sentiment to carry him to victory anyway.


If it affected the result then I guess it might have changed the result, if it effected the result then you are saying that every American vote went off into the ether and got replaced by a Russian vote. Unless every American has already been abducted by aliens and replaced by a Russian, in which case the Russians were wasting their time...
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Fake News on 14:14 - Jan 17 with 1158 viewsElderGrizzly

Fake News on 14:12 - Jan 17 by WeWereZombies

If it affected the result then I guess it might have changed the result, if it effected the result then you are saying that every American vote went off into the ether and got replaced by a Russian vote. Unless every American has already been abducted by aliens and replaced by a Russian, in which case the Russians were wasting their time...
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I said it didn't effect the result....
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Fake News on 14:18 - Jan 17 with 1153 viewsWeWereZombies

Fake News on 14:14 - Jan 17 by ElderGrizzly

I said it didn't effect the result....


So are you saying that no one voted? And no Russian hacking happened? So as no votes were cast by the TV audience Simon Cowell decided that Trump should be President?

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Fake News on 14:21 - Jan 17 with 1146 viewsElderGrizzly

Fake News on 14:18 - Jan 17 by WeWereZombies

So are you saying that no one voted? And no Russian hacking happened? So as no votes were cast by the TV audience Simon Cowell decided that Trump should be President?


You might want to re-read my post.

I said the intervention by Russia didn't effect the overall result. It may have changed the minds/votes of a few, but not enough to change the overall anti-Hillary sentiment.
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Fake News on 14:21 - Jan 17 by ElderGrizzly

You might want to re-read my post.

I said the intervention by Russia didn't effect the overall result. It may have changed the minds/votes of a few, but not enough to change the overall anti-Hillary sentiment.


To be honest I'm so tired of hearing about Trump I'm almost happy that the world is passing into the hands of the People's Republic of China...but I get incensed when people use effect when they mean affect!


[Didn't Hilary get three million more votes than Trump? And why do we use her first name as if she's a mate and use his surname as if he were an aberrant third-former?]

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Fake News on 13:18 - Jan 17 by lowhouseblue

the reasons why trump won are many and varied and important in themselves. the russian hack was not the decisive factor and no serious commentators have suggested it was.

you are trying to state what russia did in extreme terms in order to then belittle and dismiss it. it's what you do I guess. in non-extreme terms russia was behind the hacking but the result was not determined by the hacking. even trump accepts that.


Firstly, I don't accept that Russia was behind the hacking of the Clinton email. Wikileaks themselves have denied this on numerous occasions. You'll counter that with "Trump himself now says it was probably Russia", well, I'd say that too if I was Trump. The US intelligence agencies know who was really behind the hacking and Trump is being a good little boy in going along with the game. If Trump is anyone's puppet, and I'm sure he's somebody's, his recent statement about these emails suggests that he is more of a CIA puppet than a Putin one. That said, he certainly isn't enough of a CIA puppet for their liking.

On to your first point: "the russian hack was not the decisive factor and no serious commentators have suggested it was", sits at odds with with all those media outlets which have claimed that "Putin stole the US elections", and that "Trump has been groomed for about 5 years".

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Fake News on 13:39 - Jan 17 by BorisOrTrevor

Cant watch that at mo.

But..from memory it was to do with the fact she was conducting top secret government business on her own private email server? Sound fishy to you? I don't go about doing my work on my own email server, I use the work one - after all they are paying my salary. Hilary thinks she is above the law.


Additionally, no one, not even Clinton is disputing the content of the emails. This makes the whole hacking affair so ridiculous: The decidedly dodgy actions of Clinton which the US electorate have a right to know about (especially as she's standing for President) is not being denied. In fact, the only way the Clintons could effectively find something big enough to deflect from the content of the leaks was to accuse Russia of being behind the leaks. That's hilarious.

BTW, Hillary thinks she is above the law, because she is.

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