| Martin McGuinness 21:05 - Jan 19 with 29336 views | vapour_trail |
Farewell to a political heavyweight. One of the key players in the creation of the current relatively peaceful northern Ireland and a man with a pretty grim past.
He will be missed. |  |
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:12 - Jan 19 with 2155 views | IpswichIrish |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:07 - Jan 19 by m14_blue |
Fair enough, you're not presenting a balanced view on here though which I'm sure you'll accept if you look back at your posts.
I suppose it's just a shame to see so much hatred and bitterness in someone of your age, makes me worry for the future. |
I'm not full of hate
I don't agree I stand by what i typed |  | | |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:13 - Jan 19 with 2159 views | GlasgowBlue |
From a humane point of view it's very said that he has been overcome by illness. From a political point of view he made great efforts to help bring peace in Northern Ireland in his later life and he is to be admired for that.
Having said that, he was a leader in an organisation that murdered innocent men, woman and children in shopping centres and pubs. Blowing them to bits with no warning. Not only that, they were a criminal organisation selling drugs to fund their campaign. The IRA only came to the negotiating table when they had been defeated militarily.
I know victims of the IRA. So it's hard to forgive. So I am torn on this.
But we live in a more peaceful country because people like Adams and McGuiness were able to see that the ballot box is a more prefereable solution than the bomb and the bullet.
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:16 - Jan 19 with 2129 views | m14_blue |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:12 - Jan 19 by IpswichIrish |
I'm not full of hate
I don't agree I stand by what i typed |
Ok, well your posts in this thread don't reflect your personality then.
If you genuinely think you have a balanced viewpoint then I don't think there's much more to be said.
Anyway, fair play to you for choosing Town rather than Liverpool/United, can't be easy. |  | | |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:16 - Jan 19 with 2114 views | jeera |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:12 - Jan 19 by IpswichIrish |
I'm not full of hate
I don't agree I stand by what i typed |
You have a point that others have chosen to ignore, in that you have a background and ties with family and friends' families who struggled/suffered during occupation.
I have been friends with many an Irishman who feel the same way.
It's an untidy and uncomfortable subject from all angles and they'll always be those who aren't interested in the underlying tissues surrounding the still strong sentiment. |  |
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:16 - Jan 19 with 2100 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:16 - Jan 19 by jeera |
You have a point that others have chosen to ignore, in that you have a background and ties with family and friends' families who struggled/suffered during occupation.
I have been friends with many an Irishman who feel the same way.
It's an untidy and uncomfortable subject from all angles and they'll always be those who aren't interested in the underlying tissues surrounding the still strong sentiment. |
Occupation! | |
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:17 - Jan 19 with 2087 views | IpswichIrish |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:13 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
From a humane point of view it's very said that he has been overcome by illness. From a political point of view he made great efforts to help bring peace in Northern Ireland in his later life and he is to be admired for that.
Having said that, he was a leader in an organisation that murdered innocent men, woman and children in shopping centres and pubs. Blowing them to bits with no warning. Not only that, they were a criminal organisation selling drugs to fund their campaign. The IRA only came to the negotiating table when they had been defeated militarily.
I know victims of the IRA. So it's hard to forgive. So I am torn on this.
But we live in a more peaceful country because people like Adams and McGuiness were able to see that the ballot box is a more prefereable solution than the bomb and the bullet.
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I disagree with near enough all that but you put it eloquently and reasonably balanced. I agree on the peace though
If Thatcher, who ordered and knew about loyalist death squads to kill innocent, unarmed Irish had carried on with her right wing reactionary outlook Ireland would have been like Palestine now | | | |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:18 - Jan 19 with 2079 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:02 - Jan 19 by feelingblue |
Lucan, I understand your post.
However my father served in the military and the MoD for all bar the last 3 years of his adult life, that's why we ended up in North Essex/South Suffolk.
He did several tours in NI. We had to examine under the car every morning with a mirror on a little trolley, before he drove into Colchester.
The NI thing had no solution unless people like Martin McGuinness did what they did. It needed people who were prepared to recognise the futility of continuing the violence, if only from a practical point of view, and commit to a (semi) peaceful way forward. He took the Republican mainstream with him into a more sensible and measured arrangement.
I could never admire Martin McGuinness, but, however unpleasant he may have been, he did the right things in later life, at least. |
FB. I look out for your posts. I find you an interesting guy and you are obviously a goodun. Sorry mate but I'm gonna get on my high horse here. My Pop was a military man and we've got kids on this thread celebrating the death of someone and looking forward to the death of our queen - an old lady that has worked all her life trying to do some good??? Yeah she doesn't have to worry about the cost of a pint of milk but people are waiting to celebrate her death? Really?????
Bunch of arse.
God save the queen.
McArthy out
Boo to everything. |  |
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:19 - Jan 19 with 2062 views | sparks |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:16 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Occupation! |
An occupation actively desired by the majority. .. |  |
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:20 - Jan 19 with 2059 views | gtsb1966 |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:13 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
From a humane point of view it's very said that he has been overcome by illness. From a political point of view he made great efforts to help bring peace in Northern Ireland in his later life and he is to be admired for that.
Having said that, he was a leader in an organisation that murdered innocent men, woman and children in shopping centres and pubs. Blowing them to bits with no warning. Not only that, they were a criminal organisation selling drugs to fund their campaign. The IRA only came to the negotiating table when they had been defeated militarily.
I know victims of the IRA. So it's hard to forgive. So I am torn on this.
But we live in a more peaceful country because people like Adams and McGuiness were able to see that the ballot box is a more prefereable solution than the bomb and the bullet.
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Personally your second paragraph shows why I have no respect for this person whatsoever. |  | | |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:20 - Jan 19 with 2057 views | jeera |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:16 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Occupation! |
I'm not doing this with you again.
One day politely over a beer. Sure. | |
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:21 - Jan 19 with 2040 views | IpswichIrish |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:16 - Jan 19 by jeera |
You have a point that others have chosen to ignore, in that you have a background and ties with family and friends' families who struggled/suffered during occupation.
I have been friends with many an Irishman who feel the same way.
It's an untidy and uncomfortable subject from all angles and they'll always be those who aren't interested in the underlying tissues surrounding the still strong sentiment. |
Thanks for understanding
I wouldn't willy nilly come on here to mention the troubles, i just commented on someone else mentioning McGuinness. I accept others views on the conflict, but what I would never do is personally shot insults at others with different views | | | |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:22 - Jan 19 with 2029 views | jeera |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:19 - Jan 19 by sparks |
An occupation actively desired by the majority. .. |
Majority-minority. | |
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:22 - Jan 19 with 2032 views | Jonnosdreadlocks |
| Martin McGuinness on 22:40 - Jan 19 by IpswichIrish |
Me? 27
Family were in the north during the troubles
I don't agree with an army occupying ANY COUNTRY let alone my own, as any Brit wouldn't either |
So time solves everything? What about the Irish (Scotti) who invaded Scotland and stayed there taking the Gaelic langage they never left never hear any Irish nationalists say anything about that. Cherry picking what you hate/like about English and British society, you support Ipswich why not support a team from your own nation, why oh they are crap and even worse than itfc. A united ireland is the way forward but the way you spout hatred on here insulting brits about historical stuff is uncalled for. |  |
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:24 - Jan 19 with 2001 views | jeera |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:22 - Jan 19 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
So time solves everything? What about the Irish (Scotti) who invaded Scotland and stayed there taking the Gaelic langage they never left never hear any Irish nationalists say anything about that. Cherry picking what you hate/like about English and British society, you support Ipswich why not support a team from your own nation, why oh they are crap and even worse than itfc. A united ireland is the way forward but the way you spout hatred on here insulting brits about historical stuff is uncalled for. |
Shut up.
He's already got a dozen on his back.
Stick to your incorrect football views instead of ganging up to bully. | |
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:24 - Jan 19 with 1992 views | factual_blue |
| Martin McGuinness on 21:59 - Jan 19 by gtsb1966 |
Im sure all the relatives of the people murdered by the IRA will miss him too!!! |
I think there are people who need to read a bit more about Irish history. |  |
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:27 - Jan 19 with 1958 views | IpswichIrish |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:22 - Jan 19 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
So time solves everything? What about the Irish (Scotti) who invaded Scotland and stayed there taking the Gaelic langage they never left never hear any Irish nationalists say anything about that. Cherry picking what you hate/like about English and British society, you support Ipswich why not support a team from your own nation, why oh they are crap and even worse than itfc. A united ireland is the way forward but the way you spout hatred on here insulting brits about historical stuff is uncalled for. |
I follow Celtic and support Ipswich
I have supported Town since 1999 - because of Matt Holland | | | |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:28 - Jan 19 with 1944 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:18 - Jan 19 by Lord_Lucan |
FB. I look out for your posts. I find you an interesting guy and you are obviously a goodun. Sorry mate but I'm gonna get on my high horse here. My Pop was a military man and we've got kids on this thread celebrating the death of someone and looking forward to the death of our queen - an old lady that has worked all her life trying to do some good??? Yeah she doesn't have to worry about the cost of a pint of milk but people are waiting to celebrate her death? Really?????
Bunch of arse.
God save the queen.
McArthy out
Boo to everything. |
Saw this earlier, given your love of Her Maj
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:31 - Jan 19 with 1923 views | gtsb1966 |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:24 - Jan 19 by factual_blue |
I think there are people who need to read a bit more about Irish history. |
Eh? | | | |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:31 - Jan 19 with 1923 views | IpswichIrish |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:18 - Jan 19 by Lord_Lucan |
FB. I look out for your posts. I find you an interesting guy and you are obviously a goodun. Sorry mate but I'm gonna get on my high horse here. My Pop was a military man and we've got kids on this thread celebrating the death of someone and looking forward to the death of our queen - an old lady that has worked all her life trying to do some good??? Yeah she doesn't have to worry about the cost of a pint of milk but people are waiting to celebrate her death? Really?????
Bunch of arse.
God save the queen.
McArthy out
Boo to everything. |
Your mask slipped when you said your country was loved apart from sandal people. You're a bigot
I apologize for terrible grammar
but never, never for being anti royal family, as millions of British people are
Sandal people.......step into 1907... | | | |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:32 - Jan 19 with 1915 views | Freddies_Ears |
The UK's Nelson Mandela? Maybe. | | | |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:37 - Jan 19 with 1877 views | IpswichIrish |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:32 - Jan 19 by Freddies_Ears |
The UK's Nelson Mandela? Maybe. |
Loool
there was a great man | | | |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:39 - Jan 19 with 1861 views | factual_blue |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:31 - Jan 19 by gtsb1966 |
Eh? |
Irish history is littered with appalling behaviour, not all of it by the Irish. How would you feel about a government who'd sent your forebears into 'indentured servitude', or 'slavery' to give it its correct title? | |
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:43 - Jan 19 with 1830 views | Jonnosdreadlocks |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:31 - Jan 19 by IpswichIrish |
Your mask slipped when you said your country was loved apart from sandal people. You're a bigot
I apologize for terrible grammar
but never, never for being anti royal family, as millions of British people are
Sandal people.......step into 1907... |
i hate the royals but to say you rejoice of the queens death and maggie t's because you dont agree with them makes you a bigot. There are irish pubs in north london in England!that only allow irish in. A lot of irish have a huge chip on their shoulder about the british (specifically the english) but dont forget ireland was invaded first by the vikings and the normans, who invaded too england first! yes people like cromwell did terrible stuff and irish history is complicated but atrocties in the name of a united ireland are far more recent. | |
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:50 - Jan 19 with 1801 views | gtsb1966 |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:39 - Jan 19 by factual_blue |
Irish history is littered with appalling behaviour, not all of it by the Irish. How would you feel about a government who'd sent your forebears into 'indentured servitude', or 'slavery' to give it its correct title? |
The subject was Martin McGuiness. The original poster said he'd be missed. I said not by the relatives of the people murdered by the IRA of which McGuinness was a member. I know the British over the years have done some appalling crimes too. Ain't I clever oh wise one. [Post edited 19 Jan 2017 23:53]
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| Martin McGuinness on 23:52 - Jan 19 with 1787 views | IpswichIrish |
| Martin McGuinness on 23:43 - Jan 19 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
i hate the royals but to say you rejoice of the queens death and maggie t's because you dont agree with them makes you a bigot. There are irish pubs in north london in England!that only allow irish in. A lot of irish have a huge chip on their shoulder about the british (specifically the english) but dont forget ireland was invaded first by the vikings and the normans, who invaded too england first! yes people like cromwell did terrible stuff and irish history is complicated but atrocties in the name of a united ireland are far more recent. |
If celebrating Thatcher's death makes me a bigot then I'm a bigot
She ruined the lifes of many BRITISH working class
She celebrated the war crime of sinking a retreating Belgrano
She sold EVERYTHING British off
She invented the greed is good mentality
If the Irish don't allow English, others in pubs, bars then they are bang out of order
I've got an English staffy - I don't mind them | | | |
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