| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. 23:14 - Jan 20 with 6502 views | GunnsAirkick |
Let me start by saying I consider myself left-wing; I have always voted Labour and I voted for Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour Party Leadership Election around a year and a half ago (not the recent one though, I abstained). I'm an active member of my local Labour Party group where I administer a Website and leaflet.
I've seen a few posts on here tonight which leave me shaking my head. The blanket image cultivated from some that if you voted for Trump or Brexit that you're a racist, uneducated oik has to stop.
Trump won because he focused on on downtrodden working class people who felt they have been left behind. I think he's a colossal a**ehole with some disgusting views but that is what he did. The same can be said of the Brexit vote. People on the left seem so so obsessed with certain fringe issues that they forget their bread and butter; the working classes of their own country. I'm not for one minute saying that these other issues don't matter, but prioritisation of issues that matter to what should be your core vote does.
If people on the left continue with this inverse snobbery it will only make the Trumps of this world and the right even stronger. I don't know how some cannot see this. |  | | |  |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 23:29 - Jan 20 with 3584 views | BorisOrTrevor |
I am centre right in views I guess, but I agree with everything you say here. They (the clique on TWTD out in force tonight) are no better than the people they are in theory (theory because a lot of their stereotypes are so comically sweeping/inaccurate) being so disparaging of, but they are too blind to see it. |  |
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 23:29 - Jan 20 with 3590 views | IpswichIrish |
I disagree
I voted for Corbyn twice
Corbyn, even though the media barons like that total scumbag Murdoch hate him, has relentlessly joined 'the working class' on picket lines, protests, voted against wars, doesn't support useless nukes. He supports trade unions, all in the best interests of the working class.
Trump wouldn't have won in the UK, Farage, another fraud who is a millionaire claiming to hate the establishment, while begging for a knighthood, entry into the lords and a job with the orange pervert Trump, would be all out gunning to be PM if that worked.
New Labour never had any interest in workers. They were lead by the war criminal liar Bliar who hated trade unions, and his other anti Labour mate Campbell's spinning made many lose faith in politics, along with the two liars Straw and Mandelson.
I don't by the 'left behind by the political elite' stuff to be honest, Trump is the elite, a billionaire liar, bigot, scumbag who has never lived in the real world. And Theresa May, who will be groveling to Trump, is also an elite, in power. |  | | |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 23:38 - Jan 20 with 3544 views | BorisOrTrevor |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 23:29 - Jan 20 by IpswichIrish |
I disagree
I voted for Corbyn twice
Corbyn, even though the media barons like that total scumbag Murdoch hate him, has relentlessly joined 'the working class' on picket lines, protests, voted against wars, doesn't support useless nukes. He supports trade unions, all in the best interests of the working class.
Trump wouldn't have won in the UK, Farage, another fraud who is a millionaire claiming to hate the establishment, while begging for a knighthood, entry into the lords and a job with the orange pervert Trump, would be all out gunning to be PM if that worked.
New Labour never had any interest in workers. They were lead by the war criminal liar Bliar who hated trade unions, and his other anti Labour mate Campbell's spinning made many lose faith in politics, along with the two liars Straw and Mandelson.
I don't by the 'left behind by the political elite' stuff to be honest, Trump is the elite, a billionaire liar, bigot, scumbag who has never lived in the real world. And Theresa May, who will be groveling to Trump, is also an elite, in power. |
Brilliant, somebody angrier and more miserable than myself Cheered me up no end.  | |
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 23:40 - Jan 20 with 3539 views | sparks |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 23:29 - Jan 20 by IpswichIrish |
I disagree
I voted for Corbyn twice
Corbyn, even though the media barons like that total scumbag Murdoch hate him, has relentlessly joined 'the working class' on picket lines, protests, voted against wars, doesn't support useless nukes. He supports trade unions, all in the best interests of the working class.
Trump wouldn't have won in the UK, Farage, another fraud who is a millionaire claiming to hate the establishment, while begging for a knighthood, entry into the lords and a job with the orange pervert Trump, would be all out gunning to be PM if that worked.
New Labour never had any interest in workers. They were lead by the war criminal liar Bliar who hated trade unions, and his other anti Labour mate Campbell's spinning made many lose faith in politics, along with the two liars Straw and Mandelson.
I don't by the 'left behind by the political elite' stuff to be honest, Trump is the elite, a billionaire liar, bigot, scumbag who has never lived in the real world. And Theresa May, who will be groveling to Trump, is also an elite, in power. |
Unfortunately Corbyn has no real grasp on the real world. He is an idealist with a discredited dogmatic ideology. |  |
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 23:44 - Jan 20 with 3534 views | feelingblue |
There is nothing right or left wing about 'grabbing pussy' or condemning an entire group of immigrants as 'rapists and murderers'.
It's called a lack of a moral compass.
Anyone who thinks that is acceptable needs to have talk with themself. |  | | |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 23:53 - Jan 20 with 3511 views | BorisOrTrevor |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 23:44 - Jan 20 by feelingblue |
There is nothing right or left wing about 'grabbing pussy' or condemning an entire group of immigrants as 'rapists and murderers'.
It's called a lack of a moral compass.
Anyone who thinks that is acceptable needs to have talk with themself. |
No I agree. If indeed he did the grabbing pussy thing, it was bad.
As was Bill Clinton raping women. Or Hilary Clinton warmongering her way through Libya on a vendetta, whooping with joy at the kill.
What do you believe? Just what you want to hear or that they are all faulty and we have to pick the least worse? People who have led throughout history have never tended to be perfect paragons of virtue. [Post edited 20 Jan 2017 23:54]
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 00:00 - Jan 21 with 3477 views | Darth_Koont |
Actually I think it's the disappearance of genuine social democratic values that has caused this. Everyone's chased headlong into a false centre where voters can supposedly feel secure about their own lives and disposable income without taking any steps to ensure the society around them works for all.
Now we're placing the blame for a fractured, weak society on foreigners rather than our own blatant lack of concern over the past few decades. |  |
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 00:06 - Jan 21 with 3430 views | GunnsAirkick |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 23:44 - Jan 20 by feelingblue |
There is nothing right or left wing about 'grabbing pussy' or condemning an entire group of immigrants as 'rapists and murderers'.
It's called a lack of a moral compass.
Anyone who thinks that is acceptable needs to have talk with themself. |
I never said that, none of my post is an endorsement of Trump nor have I said he's anything approaching left-wing. [Post edited 21 Jan 2017 0:08]
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 00:22 - Jan 21 with 3357 views | vapour_trail |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 23:29 - Jan 20 by BorisOrTrevor |
I am centre right in views I guess, but I agree with everything you say here. They (the clique on TWTD out in force tonight) are no better than the people they are in theory (theory because a lot of their stereotypes are so comically sweeping/inaccurate) being so disparaging of, but they are too blind to see it. |
Hmm. Cliques. Concencus views are OK when you agree with them BOT, but if not there's a clique. Think that's called shutting down a debate. |  |
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 00:31 - Jan 21 with 3337 views | factual_blue |
I'd say Trump and the brexiteers won because they exploited the simplistic fact-free approach the modern press has increasingly embraced as the world has got more and more complicated. This is seen in the reporting of science (the unending stream of stories about cures for cancer) as much as in the simplistic reporting of current affairs.
Inexorably western society has - and is - becoming further and further removed from the rationality and empiricism that has guided us since the Enlightment. That flight from rationality is why 'we are all sick of experts', which is really saying 'this is all getting to complicated to explain to you properly', so we'll make stuff up as it suits us. If we leave the EU, we'll build a hospital a week with the money we save. Unhappy about Mexican immigrants? We'll build a wall'.
Too many people don't want to listen to reason and complexity any more. Those who tell them there's a simple solution are the ones who are treating them like idiots.
I've had too much to drink. Good night. |  |
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 00:32 - Jan 21 with 3330 views | feelingblue |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 23:53 - Jan 20 by BorisOrTrevor |
No I agree. If indeed he did the grabbing pussy thing, it was bad.
As was Bill Clinton raping women. Or Hilary Clinton warmongering her way through Libya on a vendetta, whooping with joy at the kill.
What do you believe? Just what you want to hear or that they are all faulty and we have to pick the least worse? People who have led throughout history have never tended to be perfect paragons of virtue. [Post edited 20 Jan 2017 23:54]
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 01:09 - Jan 21 with 3266 views | lowhouseblue |
very well said. my irony meter has exploded, but well said. [Post edited 21 Jan 2017 1:18]
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 02:41 - Jan 21 with 3193 views | Illinoisblue |
all largely true, although you forgot to mention a very important factor in Trump's victory: Hillary Clinton. If the democrats had run with an enigmatic, likable candidate we'd be looking at a different kind of inauguration today. Clinton's "deplorables" comment did her massive harm. |  |
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 02:49 - Jan 21 with 3181 views | Lord_Lucan |
That's quite an interesting post actually and hard to disagree with. I used to be fairly centre right but have got a bit left wing over the years. The problem with "The left" though is that they are largely a bit stupid and condescending. I have come to realise over the years though that it's just a big circle and the left and right eventually meet in the middle. In fact as daft as it sounds the far left are actually quite right wing. Hitler was indeed a socialist. |  |
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 08:15 - Jan 21 with 2929 views | GlasgowBlue |
Hallelujah. I've been saying this in here for years and been shouted down for it.
I saw the decline of labour in Scotland long before the rot set in in the Nortuh of England.
Massive working class areas like Easterhiuse which had voted labour generation after generation but whose vote had been taken for granted by politicians who seemed more concerended with the injustices in the West Bank and Gaza rather than the social injustices in there own doorsteps.
You and I have completely different political opinions but you are never less than honest. And you cenrtainly can't be accused of being a Blairite by the likes of facey so well done for the honest assessment.
You are a rarity on the left at the moment, Lowhouse is another.if the left on here are anything to go by. They are quick to shout down any debate with accusations of racism and xenophobia. [Post edited 21 Jan 2017 8:18]
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 08:17 - Jan 21 with 2919 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 00:06 - Jan 21 by GunnsAirkick |
I never said that, none of my post is an endorsement of Trump nor have I said he's anything approaching left-wing. [Post edited 21 Jan 2017 0:08]
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And therein lies the problem. If you show any understanding of how and why Trumo won you will be adused of excusing his awful words and behaviour. | |
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 08:20 - Jan 21 with 2889 views | BergholtBru |
Agree with all you say mate. It`s the people you refer to that drive me to the right! Shame really as my late father grew up in a Yorkshire mining town. When did Labour actually abandon the "working class"? My grandfather was a staunch trade unionist. |  |
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 08:22 - Jan 21 with 2873 views | Dubtractor |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 08:15 - Jan 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Hallelujah. I've been saying this in here for years and been shouted down for it.
I saw the decline of labour in Scotland long before the rot set in in the Nortuh of England.
Massive working class areas like Easterhiuse which had voted labour generation after generation but whose vote had been taken for granted by politicians who seemed more concerended with the injustices in the West Bank and Gaza rather than the social injustices in there own doorsteps.
You and I have completely different political opinions but you are never less than honest. And you cenrtainly can't be accused of being a Blairite by the likes of facey so well done for the honest assessment.
You are a rarity on the left at the moment, Lowhouse is another.if the left on here are anything to go by. They are quick to shout down any debate with accusations of racism and xenophobia. [Post edited 21 Jan 2017 8:18]
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 08:49 - Jan 21 with 2811 views | BergholtBru |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 08:15 - Jan 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Hallelujah. I've been saying this in here for years and been shouted down for it.
I saw the decline of labour in Scotland long before the rot set in in the Nortuh of England.
Massive working class areas like Easterhiuse which had voted labour generation after generation but whose vote had been taken for granted by politicians who seemed more concerended with the injustices in the West Bank and Gaza rather than the social injustices in there own doorsteps.
You and I have completely different political opinions but you are never less than honest. And you cenrtainly can't be accused of being a Blairite by the likes of facey so well done for the honest assessment.
You are a rarity on the left at the moment, Lowhouse is another.if the left on here are anything to go by. They are quick to shout down any debate with accusations of racism and xenophobia. [Post edited 21 Jan 2017 8:18]
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Spot on!! Anyone who can`t see that has their head buried in the sand I guess. | |
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 08:52 - Jan 21 with 2803 views | imsureazzure |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 23:29 - Jan 20 by IpswichIrish |
I disagree
I voted for Corbyn twice
Corbyn, even though the media barons like that total scumbag Murdoch hate him, has relentlessly joined 'the working class' on picket lines, protests, voted against wars, doesn't support useless nukes. He supports trade unions, all in the best interests of the working class.
Trump wouldn't have won in the UK, Farage, another fraud who is a millionaire claiming to hate the establishment, while begging for a knighthood, entry into the lords and a job with the orange pervert Trump, would be all out gunning to be PM if that worked.
New Labour never had any interest in workers. They were lead by the war criminal liar Bliar who hated trade unions, and his other anti Labour mate Campbell's spinning made many lose faith in politics, along with the two liars Straw and Mandelson.
I don't by the 'left behind by the political elite' stuff to be honest, Trump is the elite, a billionaire liar, bigot, scumbag who has never lived in the real world. And Theresa May, who will be groveling to Trump, is also an elite, in power. |
Caricature, do you understand that you and people like you, voting to keep Corbyn as leader of the Labour party are doing to this country? |  | | |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 09:04 - Jan 21 with 2767 views | DanTheMan |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 02:49 - Jan 21 by Lord_Lucan |
That's quite an interesting post actually and hard to disagree with. I used to be fairly centre right but have got a bit left wing over the years. The problem with "The left" though is that they are largely a bit stupid and condescending. I have come to realise over the years though that it's just a big circle and the left and right eventually meet in the middle. In fact as daft as it sounds the far left are actually quite right wing. Hitler was indeed a socialist. |
"Hitler was indeed a socialist."
No he wasn't. He despised Socialism, which is why he murdered most of the socialists in his party during Night of the Long Knives. |  |
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 09:06 - Jan 21 with 2758 views | BergholtBru |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 09:04 - Jan 21 by DanTheMan |
"Hitler was indeed a socialist."
No he wasn't. He despised Socialism, which is why he murdered most of the socialists in his party during Night of the Long Knives. |
A "national socialist"?? What was Stalin? | |
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| Bang on Gunners on 09:13 - Jan 21 with 2749 views | Dyland |
Self-righteous rather than arrogant perhaps.
I have both left wing and right wing views, whatever that means. I can't stand polarised, or even adversarial politics. It's a sham, and a crock of sh1t.
What I don't like about Trump is the pup sold. The common man voting against the establishment by voting for, er... Trump? WTF.
Similar views on Brexit. I voted Remain. However, there are plenty of sound and reasonable arguments on both sides. What I don't like is the manipulation Farage and others perform that obfuscates the actual issues, and like in the US has people voting (either way) to cut off their own noses to spite their faces.
I believe very strongly in liberal democracy, freedom of ideology, and respect. And good fcking manners. It's not hard. Some of our leaders in the "free world" (yeh right) you wouldn't have in the house, they are rude, bullying, bores. That's incredibly annoying to me. |  |
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| They certainly aren't rarities Glassers on 09:14 - Jan 21 with 2731 views | Dyland |
| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 08:15 - Jan 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Hallelujah. I've been saying this in here for years and been shouted down for it.
I saw the decline of labour in Scotland long before the rot set in in the Nortuh of England.
Massive working class areas like Easterhiuse which had voted labour generation after generation but whose vote had been taken for granted by politicians who seemed more concerended with the injustices in the West Bank and Gaza rather than the social injustices in there own doorsteps.
You and I have completely different political opinions but you are never less than honest. And you cenrtainly can't be accused of being a Blairite by the likes of facey so well done for the honest assessment.
You are a rarity on the left at the moment, Lowhouse is another.if the left on here are anything to go by. They are quick to shout down any debate with accusations of racism and xenophobia. [Post edited 21 Jan 2017 8:18]
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You make the mistake of only listening to the ones who shout loudest.
Shame on you! :-) | |
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| Left-wing arrogance has given the world President Donald Trump. on 09:16 - Jan 21 with 2708 views | unbelievablue |
People are morons. |  |
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