| MP's get to vote then on 10:49 - Jan 24 with 1224 views | itfcjoe |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:45 - Jan 24 by vapour_trail |
I trust you're wearing your hard hat, Joe! |
It's mad that Tim Farron and his 5 a side team are the only major (sort of?!) party looking to represent the 48% in England.
That Tories, Labour and (obviously) UKIP are turning their back on just shy of half the country is an absolute disgrace.
Had it been 52:48 the other way round and the Remainers elected to join Schnegen and the Euro there would have been absolute outrage. |  |
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| MP's get to vote then on 10:49 - Jan 24 with 1220 views | WeWereZombies |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:31 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
The courts aren't completely ignoring the will of the people. They are going through the due legal process that this democratic country prides it'self on.
Now if MP's vote against triggering Article 50 then they will be completely ignoring the will of the people.
But again, I'd rather live in a country that has these checks and balances. |
Agree with first and third sentences completely but middle sentence ignores, I know it's tiresome to point this out and it's shame I have to do it, that it is not the will of all of the people - just a narrow majority of the 72% who voted. To put it into perspective, even a village hall committee would probably want a two thirds or three quarter majority before knocking down the building and putting up a new one... |  |
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| MP's get to vote then on 10:51 - Jan 24 with 1208 views | GlasgowBlue |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:34 - Jan 24 by vapour_trail |
I think mps in Scotland, norn Ireland and London could reasonably vote to reflect the wishes of their constituents.
Will all be immaterial. The 52 have a much bigger parliamentary representation. When it comes to it, I'm sure it'll be a huge majority. |
As I've said before; It's like the Scots refusing to accept that the Tories are in government because that doesn't reflect the wishes of their constituents.
It was a UK wide vote which produced a majority which should be respected. |  |
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| MP's get to vote then on 10:52 - Jan 24 with 1192 views | GlasgowBlue |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:44 - Jan 24 by itfcjoe |
I agree with the Lib Dems, let the people vote on the actual deal |
MP's are getting a vote on the final deal. | |
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| MP's get to vote then on 10:53 - Jan 24 with 1187 views | GlasgowBlue |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:36 - Jan 24 by No9 |
Of course if the SNP now hold another vote on independence they will have the full support of Don, from the Ilse of Lewis - ? |
The SNP will only hold a vote on independence if they think they can win it. Which they don't. | |
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| MP's get to vote then on 10:54 - Jan 24 with 1176 views | WeWereZombies |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:53 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
The SNP will only hold a vote on independence if they think they can win it. Which they don't. |
At the moment... | |
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| MP's get to vote then on 10:56 - Jan 24 with 1169 views | GlasgowBlue |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:54 - Jan 24 by WeWereZombies |
At the moment... |
And a recent poll in Scotland showed that support for remaining in the EU had fallen and support to leave had increased. | |
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| MP's get to vote then on 10:58 - Jan 24 with 1154 views | blueislander |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:41 - Jan 24 by Swansea_Blue |
It's just confirming the process of how Article 50 needs to be triggered. May wanted to be able to do it without deferring to a Parliament vote, but the courts have said she has to seek a majority vote in Parliament.
The end result will be the same I suspect, as it would be political suicide for MPs to vote against the will of their constituents (although some will no doubt, especially in Labour where their leadership issues are preoccupying them), so it' a bit of a waste of time. Nice little earner for the legal eagles though. |
One assumes that when Article 50 was drafted , no one had contemplated Brexit. Hence the complexity of the process. |  | | |
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| MP's get to vote then on 10:59 - Jan 24 with 1152 views | BergholtBru |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:31 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
The courts aren't completely ignoring the will of the people. They are going through the due legal process that this democratic country prides it'self on.
Now if MP's vote against triggering Article 50 then they will be completely ignoring the will of the people.
But again, I'd rather live in a country that has these checks and balances. |
Magna Carta & all that. |  |
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| MP's get to vote then on 10:59 - Jan 24 with 1151 views | No9 |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:53 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
The SNP will only hold a vote on independence if they think they can win it. Which they don't. |
Perhaps you didn't understand my post?
Have you ever been to the Isle of Lewis? | | | |
| MP's get to vote then on 11:02 - Jan 24 with 1137 views | WeWereZombies |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:56 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
And a recent poll in Scotland showed that support for remaining in the EU had fallen and support to leave had increased. |
So the SNP will start to build a case for an independent Scotland that follows Norway's model (no matter that the chance to build up a state wealth fund has passed) and get some traction that way. They have lost an overall majority but I can't see them going away anytime soon, especially with Labour in a shambles. | |
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| MP's get to vote then on 11:02 - Jan 24 with 1136 views | itfcjoe |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:52 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
MP's are getting a vote on the final deal. |
I know, but I don't think that is enough. | |
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| MP's get to vote then on 11:03 - Jan 24 with 1130 views | GlasgowBlue |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:59 - Jan 24 by No9 |
Perhaps you didn't understand my post?
Have you ever been to the Isle of Lewis? |
Typical Fred question.
Have you ever been to the Isle of Lewis? Have you ever worked in the EU? Have you ever lived and worked in America? etc etc. | |
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| MP's get to vote then on 11:05 - Jan 24 with 1129 views | GlasgowBlue |
| MP's get to vote then on 11:02 - Jan 24 by itfcjoe |
I know, but I don't think that is enough. |
Do you want to vote on the budget each year? A vote on keeping Trident? | |
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| MP's get to vote then on 11:05 - Jan 24 with 1128 views | blueislander |
| MP's get to vote then on 11:02 - Jan 24 by itfcjoe |
I know, but I don't think that is enough. |
But it won't be a vote on the deal will it? It is just Mother Teresa's wish list. The actual deal , if there is one, that she obtains from the EU will be very different I fear. | | | |
| Feckin too right... on 11:08 - Jan 24 with 1106 views | unstableblue |
.. the 'Hard Brexit' deal bares no resemblance to what people voted for. And it was completely unconstitutional. Mail with have a field day.
Having said all that - and I know this is mad - we should open negotations with the EU immediately, stating if you reign back the federal Europe agenda, and tighten external migration further, we will go back on full Brexit. They'd bite our hands off, and we'd all be happy. |  |
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| MP's get to vote then on 11:09 - Jan 24 with 1102 views | No9 |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:56 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
And a recent poll in Scotland showed that support for remaining in the EU had fallen and support to leave had increased. |
Not according to the SNP this morning | | | |
| MP's get to vote then on 11:09 - Jan 24 with 1103 views | itfcjoe |
| MP's get to vote then on 11:05 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Do you want to vote on the budget each year? A vote on keeping Trident? |
No, but I think the referendum campaigning was so flawed that it needs to be re-run with some facts involved if it is to be seen as binding. | |
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| MP's get to vote then on 11:11 - Jan 24 with 1095 views | giant_stow |
| MP's get to vote then on 11:05 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Do you want to vote on the budget each year? A vote on keeping Trident? |
Oh come on. There's that subversion of democracy again.
Choosing whether we're in the single market is a massive decision with implications that will effect generations. |  |
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| MP's get to vote then on 11:11 - Jan 24 with 1092 views | BlueLikeJazz |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:27 - Jan 24 by The_Romford_Blue |
So that's democracy f**ked in this country then
They could, as unlikely as it is, completely ignore the will of the people and the democratic right of the voter then |
The number of people who seem to think that 'democracy is f*cked' by a judgement that *upholds* parliamentary sovereignty and the rule of law, is spectacularly depressing. | | | |
| MP's get to vote then on 11:13 - Jan 24 with 1078 views | Guthrum |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:44 - Jan 24 by itfcjoe |
I agree with the Lib Dems, let the people vote on the actual deal |
The trouble with that is, if the deal is rejected, then we're back to square one. Too many people aren't prepared to compromise on this issue, or have strong, particular agendas. No deal is going to satisfy everybody - or even the majority of people.
The vote could go against a reasonable, practicable solution because too many people - but for wildly differing reasons - don't like it. |  |
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| MP's get to vote then on 11:14 - Jan 24 with 1076 views | No9 |
| MP's get to vote then on 11:11 - Jan 24 by giant_stow |
Oh come on. There's that subversion of democracy again.
Choosing whether we're in the single market is a massive decision with implications that will effect generations. |
The reality here is that smokescreens keep beig puffed out by the Dictator hoping that it will 'be alright on the night'.
We have recently entered fantasy land with threats of becoming a tax haven which are unaffordable by a government that presides over massive debts & a potentially crashing economy. | | | |
| MP's get to vote then on 11:15 - Jan 24 with 1062 views | WD19 |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:33 - Jan 24 by No9 |
I agree the Dictator has spoken however, the fact that an individual (2) challenged the Dictator could - IF we are lucky mean that we have an opportunity to return to a democracy one day.
Meanwhile the taxpayer should prosecute 'Dave' for what this is all costing us |
Would JC go down as an accessory? |  | | |
| MP's get to vote then on 11:17 - Jan 24 with 1054 views | itfcjoe |
| MP's get to vote then on 11:13 - Jan 24 by Guthrum |
The trouble with that is, if the deal is rejected, then we're back to square one. Too many people aren't prepared to compromise on this issue, or have strong, particular agendas. No deal is going to satisfy everybody - or even the majority of people.
The vote could go against a reasonable, practicable solution because too many people - but for wildly differing reasons - don't like it. |
If a majority of people can't agree on how we should change then we should stay as we are.... | |
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| MP's get to vote then on 11:17 - Jan 24 with 1052 views | Vic |
| MP's get to vote then on 10:52 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue |
MP's are getting a vote on the final deal. |
what happens if they vote against it? (Which could happen) |  |
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