| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 08:48 - Jan 30 with 2500 views | oldbluestu |
We need Corbyn |  | |  |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 08:53 - Jan 30 with 2488 views | WeWereZombies |
Except May did not come back waving a piece of paper and talking of peace in our time. Her schedule has made me think more favourably of her -
1. Turkey to ostensibly talk trade deals but really to shore up NATO and
2. Ireland, we are not just their biggest trading partner but also another nation that Trrrump has blown off at. And we need to keep peace in the North which Brexit and the unlikely but possible threat of a hard border have disrupted a little at the moment. [Post edited 30 Jan 2017 8:54]
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:04 - Jan 30 with 2456 views | DoobDude |
"The Tories seem to have united the country against Trump"
Never, ever believe that Social Media = The views of this country. |  |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:05 - Jan 30 with 2457 views | feelingblue |
They have got themselves into a right pickle.
I heard Michael Fallon, Today program on Friday, describe the Republican Party as the Tories sister party. Really? Do they seriously want to be equated with a largely anti-abortion, anti LBGT, pro guns party who are prepared to have Trump as their mouthpiece to the world?
I don't believe any conspiracy theory stuff about it being an attempt to stop Brexit, but I do think that British voters should ask themselves if they really want a close alliance with the USA in its current state.
Do you want a 'special relationship' with Trump? [Post edited 30 Jan 2017 9:07]
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:09 - Jan 30 with 2428 views | Swansea_Blue |
May might have finally given Labour a narrative against the Tories, but Labour are in no place to be able to recognise that, let alone act on it.
As for the strength of feelings against Trump, you don't need to look at social media to know there's a genuinely high amount of bewilderment and dissatisfaction. He's a highly divisive character. |  |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:12 - Jan 30 with 2398 views | caught-in-limbo |
Enjoy the show.
#WestminsterTheatreSociety |  |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:14 - Jan 30 with 2401 views | wkj |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:12 - Jan 30 by caught-in-limbo |
Enjoy the show.
#WestminsterTheatreSociety |
I am very very afraid of what the next few years could bring, and I'm not even joking |  |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:45 - Jan 30 with 2358 views | Darth_Koont |
Not so sure. I think increasingly we're seeing that being incompetent or even downright rubbish has voter appeal.
Nothing says anti-establishment more than looking like you don't belong there.
The scary thing is I'm not even joking. |  |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:47 - Jan 30 with 2347 views | factual_blue |
Chamberlain did say to his colleague immediately after the 'peace in our time' announcement 'I shouldn't have said that.
It may of course be that may has fallen into the same trap as Chamberlain and believes she is dealing with a rational human being, and not one who is a sociopath. |  |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:49 - Jan 30 with 2332 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:45 - Jan 30 by Darth_Koont |
Not so sure. I think increasingly we're seeing that being incompetent or even downright rubbish has voter appeal.
Nothing says anti-establishment more than looking like you don't belong there.
The scary thing is I'm not even joking. |
Some geezer on R4 this morning was talking about the popular appeal of trash-talking politicians. Not quite the same as you're saying, but add the two elements together and it's a very powerful drug for some. Completely transparent, but surprisingly effective. | |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:51 - Jan 30 with 2308 views | No9 |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:05 - Jan 30 by feelingblue |
They have got themselves into a right pickle.
I heard Michael Fallon, Today program on Friday, describe the Republican Party as the Tories sister party. Really? Do they seriously want to be equated with a largely anti-abortion, anti LBGT, pro guns party who are prepared to have Trump as their mouthpiece to the world?
I don't believe any conspiracy theory stuff about it being an attempt to stop Brexit, but I do think that British voters should ask themselves if they really want a close alliance with the USA in its current state.
Do you want a 'special relationship' with Trump? [Post edited 30 Jan 2017 9:07]
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N. Carolina has repealed the LBGT legislation
Where as Liam Fox set up tory HQ
N. Carolina
A coincidence? - I don't think so. |  | | |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:59 - Jan 30 with 2290 views | factual_blue |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:49 - Jan 30 by Swansea_Blue |
Some geezer on R4 this morning was talking about the popular appeal of trash-talking politicians. Not quite the same as you're saying, but add the two elements together and it's a very powerful drug for some. Completely transparent, but surprisingly effective. |
In slightly related news, Goebbels secretary has died. She, of course, knew nothing of what was going on. | |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:01 - Jan 30 with 2295 views | urbanblue |
Or maybe Theresa May is recognising that a democratically elected leader of a country is putting into practice an election pledge that he made countless times?
Just saying. |  | | |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:03 - Jan 30 with 2279 views | Darth_Koont |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:49 - Jan 30 by Swansea_Blue |
Some geezer on R4 this morning was talking about the popular appeal of trash-talking politicians. Not quite the same as you're saying, but add the two elements together and it's a very powerful drug for some. Completely transparent, but surprisingly effective. |
Yes. It seems that the debate has gone beyond right vs. left towards "emotionalism" vs. rationalism. Certainly all this is what the strategists behind Trump and Brexit were trying to engineer in order to win.
Not sure if rational politics can ever win that battle on those terms. But hopefully this is a momentary madness, a bubble that will burst when people become afraid/distrustful of these populists as they are revealed by their actions. | |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:08 - Jan 30 with 2248 views | factual_blue |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:03 - Jan 30 by Darth_Koont |
Yes. It seems that the debate has gone beyond right vs. left towards "emotionalism" vs. rationalism. Certainly all this is what the strategists behind Trump and Brexit were trying to engineer in order to win.
Not sure if rational politics can ever win that battle on those terms. But hopefully this is a momentary madness, a bubble that will burst when people become afraid/distrustful of these populists as they are revealed by their actions. |
The last major emotional v rational debate was, I'm said to say, settled by the Second World War.
Spoiler alert: rationalism won, very largely because emotion wasn't very good at strategy. | |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:13 - Jan 30 with 2202 views | imsureazzure |
"I can see a vote of no confidence and an election"
How do you believe that election will go?
How do you believe Corbyn would deal with Trump? Isolate the UK completely? |  | | |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:14 - Jan 30 with 2197 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:01 - Jan 30 by urbanblue |
Or maybe Theresa May is recognising that a democratically elected leader of a country is putting into practice an election pledge that he made countless times?
Just saying. |
Trump has certainly got that one over May, and we don't like it at all:
He is a democratically elected leader and he's honouring pre-election pledges.
You could say he's a democratic nightmare. | |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:17 - Jan 30 with 2182 views | brazil1982 |
I think it's disgraceful that Israeli nationals are not permitted entry to 16 countries.
I visited Israel years ago which makes it a little tricky to get a visa to some countries - if I declare this on application, of course. So I am effectively banned from visiting certain countries. | | | |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:21 - Jan 30 with 2160 views | feelingblue |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:01 - Jan 30 by urbanblue |
Or maybe Theresa May is recognising that a democratically elected leader of a country is putting into practice an election pledge that he made countless times?
Just saying. |
So,if
'a democratically elected leader of a country is putting into practice an election pledge that he made countless times'
even though that election pledge is not only disgracefully discriminatory, probably against the laws of his country, and entirely counterproductive, our Prime Minister should say and do nothing?
Trump has just started the revival of every Islamic terrorist group with that idiotic policy, but we should not say anything because he is democratically elected? | | | |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:21 - Jan 30 with 2149 views | dryas |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:17 - Jan 30 by brazil1982 |
I think it's disgraceful that Israeli nationals are not permitted entry to 16 countries.
I visited Israel years ago which makes it a little tricky to get a visa to some countries - if I declare this on application, of course. So I am effectively banned from visiting certain countries. |
You can get another passport. An annoying expense yes, but nothing is stopping you doing it or visiting those countries if you wish. |  | | |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:22 - Jan 30 with 2138 views | urbanblue |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:14 - Jan 30 by caught-in-limbo |
Trump has certainly got that one over May, and we don't like it at all:
He is a democratically elected leader and he's honouring pre-election pledges.
You could say he's a democratic nightmare. |
Exactly ..... Politician keeps his election promises shock! Unheard of isn't it. Whatever we think of the policy no other government can tell a country how to protect it's borders.
What gets me is that people are surprised at this! | | | |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:23 - Jan 30 with 2130 views | feelingblue |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:17 - Jan 30 by brazil1982 |
I think it's disgraceful that Israeli nationals are not permitted entry to 16 countries.
I visited Israel years ago which makes it a little tricky to get a visa to some countries - if I declare this on application, of course. So I am effectively banned from visiting certain countries. |
You are not remotely banned.
I had two passports for years, precisely so that I could visit Israel, Arab countries and South Africa, for work. | | | |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:27 - Jan 30 with 2097 views | urbanblue |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:21 - Jan 30 by feelingblue |
So,if
'a democratically elected leader of a country is putting into practice an election pledge that he made countless times'
even though that election pledge is not only disgracefully discriminatory, probably against the laws of his country, and entirely counterproductive, our Prime Minister should say and do nothing?
Trump has just started the revival of every Islamic terrorist group with that idiotic policy, but we should not say anything because he is democratically elected? |
Whatever we think is really irrelevant. The American people voted for it!!
Don't you see what I mean?
It's called democracy. | | | |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:31 - Jan 30 with 2072 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:22 - Jan 30 by urbanblue |
Exactly ..... Politician keeps his election promises shock! Unheard of isn't it. Whatever we think of the policy no other government can tell a country how to protect it's borders.
What gets me is that people are surprised at this! |
Bizarrely, we've been conditioned into accepting that pledges made pre-election are just part of the game, and that they don't really count. The last time a pre-election promise caused a stir was in 1988 with Bush senior's "Read my lips: No More Taxes".
We only get a miffed these days when leaders (actually in office) lie to our faces. But even that is usually met with little more than a shrug.
So, to be fair, it's a bit of a surprise when a leader honours not only a promise, but a pre-election one. | |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:32 - Jan 30 with 2071 views | brazil1982 |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:23 - Jan 30 by feelingblue |
You are not remotely banned.
I had two passports for years, precisely so that I could visit Israel, Arab countries and South Africa, for work. |
I am, if on completion of the visa application I declare I have visited the "occupied territories" | | | |
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