| How can Corbyn ... 12:47 - Apr 24 with 6550 views | hoofer |
Say that all workers will be paid ten pound an hour that will break some companies and force them to take their businesses abroad ,or have I missed something?
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 13:52 - Apr 24 with 2744 views | blue_oyster |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 13:44 - Apr 24 by lowhouseblue |
largely.
but 2 examples of his incompetence (and in neither case has the press made anywhere near as much of them as they might).
(1) on the first day of the campaign it took 12 hours for corbyn to clarify whether labour would hold a second referendum. so going into an election in which the main issue is inevitably going to be brexit he didn't know where the party stood on a second referendum. given that the party needs to attract back voters from ukip that is an absolutely fundamentally strategic issue. but not a clue.
(2) yesterday we had a situation where the leader said one thing about trident and the party then had to issue a correction telling him what party policy is. you can say he doesn't agree with party policy, but a situation where a key policy stance is publicly debated between the leader and the party in the middle of an election if farcically incompetent. |
Both your examples are the results of loaded questions by the media, and are nothing to do with 'competence' of the leader. You are merely commenting on how news is reported. |  |
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 13:57 - Apr 24 with 2732 views | lowhouseblue |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 13:52 - Apr 24 by blue_oyster |
Both your examples are the results of loaded questions by the media, and are nothing to do with 'competence' of the leader. You are merely commenting on how news is reported. |
you want to be prime minister you need to be able to answer questions whatever form they come in.
not knowing whether you would hold a second referendum as you enter an election largely about brexit is nothing to do with the press.
not keeping to party policy on trident is nothing to do with the press. |  |
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 14:08 - Apr 24 with 2703 views | TLA |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 13:29 - Apr 24 by lowhouseblue |
i will vote labour and i would encourage others to do likewise. in 2017 this is based on 2 things (1) there is no prospect whatsoever of corbyn ever winning or becoming prime minister (if there were my vote would be different); (2) all we can choose between is a tory majority of 120 and a tory majority of 60 - the later is preferable because it will soften brexit and it will enable an opposition to do more in holding the government to account. |
Thanks for responding.
If there were a prospect of Corbyn winning - would you really vote for another party to prevent it? That seems odd (only in my experience). Personally, I don't mind a socialist leader of a socialist party but I do concede that I'm not in a majority in that respect. Government and opposition seems to have to come from the same position, with just a few degrees separating them based on whether you look inwards (self and family) or outward (community, society and planet).
I do struggle with needing a strong opposition vs a party to vote for that shares my values. For strong opposition, I would welcome a Labour party led by David Miliband, which I did see as the most likely route to the next Labour government. He would be the statesman and leader that might be needed. I don't mind admitting though that I'm more aligned with Corbyn in most respects.
I'm honestly not as knowledgeable about politics as many on here so saying what I feel doesn't really add to a decent debate. [Post edited 26 Apr 2017 3:07]
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 14:15 - Apr 24 with 2680 views | blue_oyster |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 13:57 - Apr 24 by lowhouseblue |
you want to be prime minister you need to be able to answer questions whatever form they come in.
not knowing whether you would hold a second referendum as you enter an election largely about brexit is nothing to do with the press.
not keeping to party policy on trident is nothing to do with the press. |
If you could point me to where Corbyn said he would scrap Trident, and go against party policy, I will be happy to concede the point. | |
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 14:21 - Apr 24 with 2661 views | chicoazul |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 13:29 - Apr 24 by lowhouseblue |
i will vote labour and i would encourage others to do likewise. in 2017 this is based on 2 things (1) there is no prospect whatsoever of corbyn ever winning or becoming prime minister (if there were my vote would be different); (2) all we can choose between is a tory majority of 120 and a tory majority of 60 - the later is preferable because it will soften brexit and it will enable an opposition to do more in holding the government to account. |
This assumes the difference between 60 and 120 will be substantively pro-hard BRexit which I dont agree it will be. |  |
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 14:32 - Apr 24 with 2633 views | GlasgowBlue |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 14:21 - Apr 24 by chicoazul |
This assumes the difference between 60 and 120 will be substantively pro-hard BRexit which I dont agree it will be. |
I would expect the opposite. The larger the majority, the softer the Brexit. |  |
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 14:37 - Apr 24 with 2633 views | lowhouseblue |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 14:15 - Apr 24 by blue_oyster |
If you could point me to where Corbyn said he would scrap Trident, and go against party policy, I will be happy to concede the point. |
where did I say he said he would scrap trident??
party policy is to retain trident - when asked directly he refused to confirm that that would be his position as prime minister. | |
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 14:39 - Apr 24 with 2624 views | blue_oyster |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 14:37 - Apr 24 by lowhouseblue |
where did I say he said he would scrap trident??
party policy is to retain trident - when asked directly he refused to confirm that that would be his position as prime minister. |
So what? | |
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 14:47 - Apr 24 with 2611 views | chicoazul |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 14:32 - Apr 24 by GlasgowBlue |
I would expect the opposite. The larger the majority, the softer the Brexit. |
Yes same here. That, and the fact the OB have a large number of Tories on their radar for electoral fraud, is the reason for this election. Otherwise she'd just continue to prop Corbyn up and beat him like a drum in 3 years. [Post edited 24 Apr 2017 14:48]
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 15:08 - Apr 24 with 2578 views | nrb1985 |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 13:29 - Apr 24 by lowhouseblue |
i will vote labour and i would encourage others to do likewise. in 2017 this is based on 2 things (1) there is no prospect whatsoever of corbyn ever winning or becoming prime minister (if there were my vote would be different); (2) all we can choose between is a tory majority of 120 and a tory majority of 60 - the later is preferable because it will soften brexit and it will enable an opposition to do more in holding the government to account. |
Only if assume May favours a hard Brexit.
Two schools of thought I suppose, one being that a stronger majority and clear mandate strengthens her hand and she will be able to kick the hard line Brexiteers (Johnson, Davis & Fox) into touch. Until now she's not been able to pick a fight with them.
The trouble is she plays her cards so close to her chest that nobody really knows what she's thinking. 10 months ago she was a remainer, she now seems to be going for Brexit at any cost.
Either way, I'll be voting Lib Dem. |  | | |
| How can Corbyn ... on 15:12 - Apr 24 with 2570 views | Scuzzer |
ITs the Labour Party manifesto...not just Corbyn. You are falling into the old con of doing personality politics. For heavens sake look at the policies not the people.
What Labour is offering does give a little hope....rather than this hopeless Tory government. Ruined NHS. Ruining education. Ruining Welfare. Will ruin pensions. Ruining social care. But don't let those facts get in the way of forging through a hard Brexit. |  |
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| How can Corbyn ... on 15:27 - Apr 24 with 2550 views | chicoazul |
| How can Corbyn ... on 15:12 - Apr 24 by Scuzzer |
ITs the Labour Party manifesto...not just Corbyn. You are falling into the old con of doing personality politics. For heavens sake look at the policies not the people.
What Labour is offering does give a little hope....rather than this hopeless Tory government. Ruined NHS. Ruining education. Ruining Welfare. Will ruin pensions. Ruining social care. But don't let those facts get in the way of forging through a hard Brexit. |
The trouble with this school of thought is that policies are one thing but you have to look at the people proposing them to judge if they are going to be effective at implementing them. Corbyn seems like a lovely old boy and he does speak sense on a lot of issues but I have no faith whatsoever in his ability to make what he wants to happen, happen. | |
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| How can Corbyn ... on 16:58 - Apr 24 with 2506 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| How can Corbyn ... on 13:50 - Apr 24 by homer_123 |
Or your business has outsourced it's work to companies outside the UK as labour is cheaper...... |
Globalisation......don't you just love it! |  |
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 17:03 - Apr 24 with 2494 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 14:32 - Apr 24 by GlasgowBlue |
I would expect the opposite. The larger the majority, the softer the Brexit. |
So you are accepting she will be acting in the interests of her party rather than any conviction on what is best for the country ! (Somebody else post it if you agree and want him to read it ) | |
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| How can Corbyn ... on 00:10 - Apr 25 with 2421 views | charlie1 |
| How can Corbyn ... on 13:47 - Apr 24 by usm |
£ 10 min per hour and four more bank holidays.
The guy's a genius |
Reminds me of third year English in high school. We split into two groups and had to form a political party (at school council level) devise a manifesto then put it to the rest of the year to vote on after a series of debates.
Half took it seriously and looked at workloads, conditions, student and teacher conduct, glossy manifesto document etc.
The other half had a policy of free sweets in every lesson and only attending school three days a week. They won by a landslide.
Jezza might be onto something here. | | | |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 00:32 - Apr 25 with 2416 views | Ryorry |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 13:00 - Apr 24 by lowhouseblue |
strangely his is a campaign which throws all election logic on its head. he is consciously setting out to narrow his support. the more 'pure' he remains, the more he says what his supporters want to hear (and, in turn, the more he ignores the wider electorate), the better the chances of momentum retaining control of the party. repeal trade union legislation, cancel trident, walk away from Iraq, don't fight isis - he's saying what a narrow group of supporters want to hear. 'let corbyn be corbyn' is code for 'give up on the general election and fight the next leadership election instead'. |
For your and others' delectation and delight, this rather amusing piece which is also pretty sad -
http://www.salon.com/2017/04/22/the-coming-british-bloodbath-theresa-mays-snap-e |  |
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 00:39 - Apr 25 with 2415 views | bournemouthblue |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 13:33 - Apr 24 by lowhouseblue |
sorry that's just nonsense with a thin veneer of sounding a bit cool. outside of the mail and express etc - who have given every labour leader the same sort of treatment - corbyn gets bad press coverage becomes he is incompetent and isn't a credible leader. the problem is corbyn not the press. |
It's interesting isn't it
The BBC will freely put dissenters of Corbyn on Newsnight and give them 10 minutes to moan but you don't see any critics of May within the Tory Party given the same voice
There must be plenty given there's around 80 or so Tories who wanted to remain and favour a softer Brexit
On the first night after the election was announced, they didn't even have a member of the opposition on but had a cosy piece on Theresa and her hubby
The bias is getting pretty silly now
Anyone who genuinely thinks the BBC News Outlet is left wing needs a reality check |  |
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 00:45 - Apr 25 with 2411 views | Ryorry |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 14:08 - Apr 24 by TLA |
Thanks for responding.
If there were a prospect of Corbyn winning - would you really vote for another party to prevent it? That seems odd (only in my experience). Personally, I don't mind a socialist leader of a socialist party but I do concede that I'm not in a majority in that respect. Government and opposition seems to have to come from the same position, with just a few degrees separating them based on whether you look inwards (self and family) or outward (community, society and planet).
I do struggle with needing a strong opposition vs a party to vote for that shares my values. For strong opposition, I would welcome a Labour party led by David Miliband, which I did see as the most likely route to the next Labour government. He would be the statesman and leader that might be needed. I don't mind admitting though that I'm more aligned with Corbyn in most respects.
I'm honestly not as knowledgeable about politics as many on here so saying what I feel doesn't really add to a decent debate. [Post edited 26 Apr 2017 3:07]
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You add more than many, and certainly more than the most entrenched of any persuasion on here, precisely because you are thoughtful, nuanced and prepared to be more flexible. I'd have +1'd you if it hadn't been for your last 7 words, which obviously I don't agree with! | |
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 00:51 - Apr 25 with 2409 views | Ryorry |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 14:32 - Apr 24 by GlasgowBlue |
I would expect the opposite. The larger the majority, the softer the Brexit. |
Bankster replied to this -
"So you are accepting she will be acting in the interests of her party rather than any conviction on what is best for the country ! (Somebody else post it if you agree and want him to read it )" | |
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 06:57 - Apr 25 with 2363 views | GlasgowBlue |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 00:51 - Apr 25 by Ryorry |
Bankster replied to this -
"So you are accepting she will be acting in the interests of her party rather than any conviction on what is best for the country ! (Somebody else post it if you agree and want him to read it )" |
there is a reason I have this clown on ignore. However:
Of course she is. Every Prime Minister who calls an election rather than waiting until their term is up is acting in theirs and their party's own interest.
They chose to go to the country because they believe they can win. Jim Callaghan should have gone in the summer of 78 and Gordon Brown should have gone in 2006. Hadbthey done so the elections would have returned Labour governments rather than a Tory in 79 and a coalition in 79. Instead, both bottled it.
She is riding high in the polls. In a year's time things could be very different. The economy could crash or Corbyn could be replaced with a more electable leader.
Two things to bear in mind. We don't elect a prime Ministers, however May has this tag of no mandate and unelected Prime a Minister. People like No9 on here constantly bang on about it, so has the opposition and so has the media. Secondly, I have said in here since she was "crowned" that a Prime Minister who "inherits" the position should go to the country within a year to get a clear mandate from the country.
One last point. I have never heard so many people, who want to remove the evil Tories, bleating that they May has called an election which gives them the chance to achieve their aims. | |
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| How can Corbyn ... on 11:01 - Apr 25 with 2288 views | No9 |
More to the point, how do you expect anyone to live in the UK, these days, on ten quid an hour ina country where housing, transport, utilities etc. are so costly ?
When this happened in the 80's the governemtn of the day realised people could afford to live and gave them Family Income Supplement (FIS) which of course meant that the taxpayer was subsidising the employer, eversince then we have been subsidising wealthy corproations who pay cr@p wages.
Why should that be? | | | |
| How can Corbyn ... on 11:22 - Apr 25 with 2275 views | noggin |
| How can Corbyn ... on 11:01 - Apr 25 by No9 |
More to the point, how do you expect anyone to live in the UK, these days, on ten quid an hour ina country where housing, transport, utilities etc. are so costly ?
When this happened in the 80's the governemtn of the day realised people could afford to live and gave them Family Income Supplement (FIS) which of course meant that the taxpayer was subsidising the employer, eversince then we have been subsidising wealthy corproations who pay cr@p wages.
Why should that be? |
But at least workers rights are protected by EU regulationsns. Oh.... |  |
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| How can Corbyn ... on 13:08 - Apr 25 with 2247 views | Swansea_Blue |
| How can Corbyn ... on 11:01 - Apr 25 by No9 |
More to the point, how do you expect anyone to live in the UK, these days, on ten quid an hour ina country where housing, transport, utilities etc. are so costly ?
When this happened in the 80's the governemtn of the day realised people could afford to live and gave them Family Income Supplement (FIS) which of course meant that the taxpayer was subsidising the employer, eversince then we have been subsidising wealthy corproations who pay cr@p wages.
Why should that be? |
Work harder! That' what we've been told.
On a more practical level, it wouldn't hurt us to break our obsession with home ownership - plenty of other countries have a sustainable, larger rental system. The trouble is our system is exploitative, so would need a major overhaul. The quality of rental housing is generally poor, agents are generally crap and people generally don't look after places. It doesn't have to be that way though. |  |
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| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 13:51 - Apr 25 with 2225 views | Throbbe |
| How the fcuk can Corbyn on 17:03 - Apr 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
So you are accepting she will be acting in the interests of her party rather than any conviction on what is best for the country ! (Somebody else post it if you agree and want him to read it ) |
Personally I think it's about her own short term self interest more than for the longer term benefit of the party.
The coming election, which I expect to be a landslide which will precipitate a reorganisation of the left, leaves the possibility of a credible left leaning opposition at the following general election. Holding off until 2020 would prolong JC's leadership and almost certainly see another 5 years of Tory control. |  |
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