| Oh dear Jeremy 11:37 - Apr 27 with 11520 views | Steve_M |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 14:55 - Apr 27 with 2269 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 14:54 - Apr 27 by GeoffSentence |
It is true that he didn't answer they hypothetical question. Instead he said he wanted a political solution, it would help if the ISIS leader wasn't there, was no supporter of ISIS and that bombing caused civilian casualties which had to be considered.
So from me that's a well done for not giving a cheap answer and instead putting some thought and consideration into it. |
It's a fairly easy answer to give. Would you take out the head of IS? Yes or No?
There is no political solution to IS. Anyone who thinks that is clearly in denial. |  |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 14:56 - Apr 27 with 2266 views | mikeybloo88 |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 14:39 - Apr 27 by monytowbray |
The soundbite of the question he was actually asked and the answer he actually gave were drastically different from the question you claim he was answered and the answer you claim he gave.
Amazing what you can make of a situation when you remove context. Or in this case, make something up. |
You really want a guy as PM who, when asked if his forces can take the shot at the IS leader, asks for a debate on what can be achieved by doing so before he gives his answer? Jesus wept... |  | | |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 14:57 - Apr 27 with 2267 views | J2BLUE |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 13:42 - Apr 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Didn't Stop the War, under Corbyn's chairmanship, advocate armed violence by Iraqi insurgents against British troops?
No doubt J2 will want this independently verified.
edit. This one from Stop the War is a doozy:
"Socialists should unconditionally stand with the oppressed against the oppressor, even if the people who run the oppressed country are undemocratic and persecute minorities, like Saddam Hussein." [Post edited 27 Apr 2017 13:49]
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' No doubt J2 will want this independently verified.'
Are you mocking me for fact checking? Why are you bothered if i'm definitely going to discover what you tell me i'm going to discover? Surely you should be encouraging me to fact check it and admit you're right? I will never feel like an idiot for checking something for myself and making my own mind up regardless of the issue. |  |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:01 - Apr 27 with 2253 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 14:57 - Apr 27 by J2BLUE |
' No doubt J2 will want this independently verified.'
Are you mocking me for fact checking? Why are you bothered if i'm definitely going to discover what you tell me i'm going to discover? Surely you should be encouraging me to fact check it and admit you're right? I will never feel like an idiot for checking something for myself and making my own mind up regardless of the issue. |
Because the source given, Nick Cohen an independent left wing journo who writes for both the Guardian and the Spectator, should have been independent enough. | |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:14 - Apr 27 with 2233 views | J2BLUE |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:01 - Apr 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Because the source given, Nick Cohen an independent left wing journo who writes for both the Guardian and the Spectator, should have been independent enough. |
I'll have a proper look in a bit.
I will still be voting Labour because I disagree with you that Corbyn will be leader on June 9th and we need some opposition to the Tories. Voting Lib Dem is not an option as they want to block Brexit. | |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:16 - Apr 27 with 2226 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:14 - Apr 27 by J2BLUE |
I'll have a proper look in a bit.
I will still be voting Labour because I disagree with you that Corbyn will be leader on June 9th and we need some opposition to the Tories. Voting Lib Dem is not an option as they want to block Brexit. |
The only way McDonnell will allow Jezza to step down is if the PLP guarantee to put a Corbynista on the ballot for the leadership. | |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:18 - Apr 27 with 2222 views | J2BLUE |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:16 - Apr 27 by GlasgowBlue |
The only way McDonnell will allow Jezza to step down is if the PLP guarantee to put a Corbynista on the ballot for the leadership. |
Explain this whole 'allow him' thing with McDonnell. Why would Corbyn listen to him? | |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:20 - Apr 27 with 2196 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:01 - Apr 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Because the source given, Nick Cohen an independent left wing journo who writes for both the Guardian and the Spectator, should have been independent enough. |
Are there any threads yet explaining all the lovely policy reasons for voting Tory ? Glassers ! |  |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:23 - Apr 27 with 2204 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:18 - Apr 27 by J2BLUE |
Explain this whole 'allow him' thing with McDonnell. Why would Corbyn listen to him? |
Corbyn didn't want to be leader. It was just his turn to put his name forward from the hard left. McDonnell did it twice, Abbot the last time.
He isn't suited to leadership and he doesn't enjoy it.
However, the hard left now have the leadership of the Labour party. They have been trying since the early 80's when Militant were expelled. They are not going to let it go.
So Jezza is pretty much a prisoner of McDonnell and Momentum. | |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:24 - Apr 27 with 2186 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 13:26 - Apr 27 by GlasgowBlue |
You don't think a lifelong member of the labour party is an independent source?
What source do you need to believe that:
He voted against the peace process and the Anglo-Irish Agreement in Parliament, as he believed republican nationalists shouldn’t have to compromise?
He attended and spoke at annual pro-IRA commemorations for terrorists between 1986 and 1992.
That he was general secretary of the editorial board of the hard-left journal Labour Briefing which supported IRA violence and explicitly backed the Brighton Hotel Bombing, which killed 5 people and maimed 31 others.
That he stood for a minute's silence in tribute to IRA bombers who had murdered British civilians in pubs and shopping centres.
All of the above are a matter of public record.
And that is before we even discuss his "paid" appearances on Iranian state TV and his association with hate preachers and anti Semites.
Do you need an independent source to confirm any of this?
I'm sure Lowhouse, who has also been a lifelong member of the Labour party, and who will have been aware of Jeremy Corbyn before 2015, will confirm everything in that article. |
Do you do reviews of our glorious nations colonial history too, it would make most of the above look like small fry.....however, thoroughly effective in both instances ! | |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:25 - Apr 27 with 2201 views | J2BLUE |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:23 - Apr 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Corbyn didn't want to be leader. It was just his turn to put his name forward from the hard left. McDonnell did it twice, Abbot the last time.
He isn't suited to leadership and he doesn't enjoy it.
However, the hard left now have the leadership of the Labour party. They have been trying since the early 80's when Militant were expelled. They are not going to let it go.
So Jezza is pretty much a prisoner of McDonnell and Momentum. |
Hmm. Still not sure how he could stay after a massive election loss. | |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:28 - Apr 27 with 2176 views | jaykay |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 12:52 - Apr 27 by lowhouseblue |
'Too many working people on lower incomes have fallen for the BS.'
don't be so disrespectful and arrogant. they haven't fallen for anything - they've formed their own view of him.
people form their view of politicians on the basis of many varied things, big and small. it comes down to - do I trust him / her? does he / she share my values? corbyn has failed to convince most labour voters on those things. it isn't BS. [Post edited 27 Apr 2017 12:54]
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i love it when newspapers say our readers can make their own minds up,after smearing him right through a campaign and tell them who do vote for, in their their headline on theday of the election. if they can make they own minds up ,there no need to tell them how to vote.
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:29 - Apr 27 with 2186 views | hype313 |
Sky clutching at straws then. |  |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:35 - Apr 27 with 2170 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:25 - Apr 27 by J2BLUE |
Hmm. Still not sure how he could stay after a massive election loss. |
That's because you think that winning the election is the battle the left are most concerned with. Whereas the battle is for control of the Labour party.
Their project is long term. First they want the McDonnell Amendment debated at conference. This will change the leadership election rules.
Currently, would-be candidates need the support of 15% of the PLP for their name to be added to the ballot. The PLP will never ever repeat the mistake of putting a hard left acandidate on the ballot now that any tom dick or harry can join the party and vote for the leader.
The McDonnell Amendment will lower the threshold to 5% of MPs. If that passes then it will be far easier to put a Corbynista on the ballot to replace him.
Secondly, they want control of the local party associations. If they can do that then they will deselect moderate and "disloyal" MP's and candidates and replace them with their own people.
So if Labour lose this election heavily I would expect Corbyn to claim that it was due to a concerted right wing media smear campaign (Archer or Callis can write this bit) and that as he has won two leadership elections he has a mandate from the membership to carry on.
Then, roughly 9 months to a year later he will step down due to ill health. | |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:51 - Apr 27 with 2137 views | Archer4721 |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:23 - Apr 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Corbyn didn't want to be leader. It was just his turn to put his name forward from the hard left. McDonnell did it twice, Abbot the last time.
He isn't suited to leadership and he doesn't enjoy it.
However, the hard left now have the leadership of the Labour party. They have been trying since the early 80's when Militant were expelled. They are not going to let it go.
So Jezza is pretty much a prisoner of McDonnell and Momentum. |
It's amazing that a rabid right wing Tory as yourself pretends to know so much about Corbyn and the Labour Party.Your unfounded propaganda is straight from the likes of publications like Guido.
You really astound yourself sometimes on here sounding like a scared kitten. |  | | |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:51 - Apr 27 with 2137 views | J2BLUE |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:35 - Apr 27 by GlasgowBlue |
That's because you think that winning the election is the battle the left are most concerned with. Whereas the battle is for control of the Labour party.
Their project is long term. First they want the McDonnell Amendment debated at conference. This will change the leadership election rules.
Currently, would-be candidates need the support of 15% of the PLP for their name to be added to the ballot. The PLP will never ever repeat the mistake of putting a hard left acandidate on the ballot now that any tom dick or harry can join the party and vote for the leader.
The McDonnell Amendment will lower the threshold to 5% of MPs. If that passes then it will be far easier to put a Corbynista on the ballot to replace him.
Secondly, they want control of the local party associations. If they can do that then they will deselect moderate and "disloyal" MP's and candidates and replace them with their own people.
So if Labour lose this election heavily I would expect Corbyn to claim that it was due to a concerted right wing media smear campaign (Archer or Callis can write this bit) and that as he has won two leadership elections he has a mandate from the membership to carry on.
Then, roughly 9 months to a year later he will step down due to ill health. |
I get what you're saying about controlling the party being more important than the election to them. That makes sense. I just can't see even the most determined person being able to stand up the massive amount of abuse, criticism and ridicule that will come his way when Labour lose heavily. Perhaps I am wrong on June 9th. Perhaps he will hold out for a week or two. I'll revise my prediction to June 23rd. He will be gone, IMO. | |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:55 - Apr 27 with 2124 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:51 - Apr 27 by J2BLUE |
I get what you're saying about controlling the party being more important than the election to them. That makes sense. I just can't see even the most determined person being able to stand up the massive amount of abuse, criticism and ridicule that will come his way when Labour lose heavily. Perhaps I am wrong on June 9th. Perhaps he will hold out for a week or two. I'll revise my prediction to June 23rd. He will be gone, IMO. |
I thought it was quite funny reading Mandelson say that a Labour leader should quit if they lose an election.
Mandelson, of course, was head of communications for Neil Kinnock who lost in 1987 and carried on to 1992. | |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 16:00 - Apr 27 with 2111 views | bluelagos |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 15:35 - Apr 27 by GlasgowBlue |
That's because you think that winning the election is the battle the left are most concerned with. Whereas the battle is for control of the Labour party.
Their project is long term. First they want the McDonnell Amendment debated at conference. This will change the leadership election rules.
Currently, would-be candidates need the support of 15% of the PLP for their name to be added to the ballot. The PLP will never ever repeat the mistake of putting a hard left acandidate on the ballot now that any tom dick or harry can join the party and vote for the leader.
The McDonnell Amendment will lower the threshold to 5% of MPs. If that passes then it will be far easier to put a Corbynista on the ballot to replace him.
Secondly, they want control of the local party associations. If they can do that then they will deselect moderate and "disloyal" MP's and candidates and replace them with their own people.
So if Labour lose this election heavily I would expect Corbyn to claim that it was due to a concerted right wing media smear campaign (Archer or Callis can write this bit) and that as he has won two leadership elections he has a mandate from the membership to carry on.
Then, roughly 9 months to a year later he will step down due to ill health. |
" The PLP will never ever repeat the mistake of putting a hard left acandidate on the ballot now that any tom dick or harry can join the party and vote for the leader."
Which were you then Glassers? A Tom, Dick or a Harry?
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 16:15 - Apr 27 with 2082 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Have read the whole anonymous article and associated often flimsy links and think I could write something very similar about the suicides due to benefit sanctions, suffering of austerity care, pressures on health, education, failing free schools, blindly following American military policy etc etc......so come on Glassers what's so great about the Conservative party ? | |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 16:45 - Apr 27 with 2066 views | Coastalblue |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 16:15 - Apr 27 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Have read the whole anonymous article and associated often flimsy links and think I could write something very similar about the suicides due to benefit sanctions, suffering of austerity care, pressures on health, education, failing free schools, blindly following American military policy etc etc......so come on Glassers what's so great about the Conservative party ? |
It doesn't have Jeremy Corbyn in it?
It does Have May I'll grant you, but she is a modest step up. |  |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 16:57 - Apr 27 with 2052 views | Rudyard83 |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 12:11 - Apr 27 by monytowbray |
Is there literally anything this man can do that won't somehow be used as ammo to smear him?
This is even more stupid than Milliband not being able to eat a bacon sandwich (which, may I add, the same newspaper that ran that story hailed Cameron a hero for eating a hotdog with a knife and fork like a f*cking weirdo at a BBQ). |
I agree with this, 100%. Anything he does or says is taken out of proportion and laughed at by the media and then the people who read the articles by those despicable companies. If the media shut up, or gave him the same chance they give tories, then I believe that he'd have a good chance of winning the election |  | | |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 17:08 - Apr 27 with 2035 views | Coastalblue |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 16:57 - Apr 27 by Rudyard83 |
I agree with this, 100%. Anything he does or says is taken out of proportion and laughed at by the media and then the people who read the articles by those despicable companies. If the media shut up, or gave him the same chance they give tories, then I believe that he'd have a good chance of winning the election |
The bloke can't even form a shadow cabinet because his own party colleagues won't work with him (nothing to do with the media there) how the hell would he form a government? | |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 17:09 - Apr 27 with 2033 views | monytowbray |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 16:15 - Apr 27 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Have read the whole anonymous article and associated often flimsy links and think I could write something very similar about the suicides due to benefit sanctions, suffering of austerity care, pressures on health, education, failing free schools, blindly following American military policy etc etc......so come on Glassers what's so great about the Conservative party ? |
There is no reason to vote conservative unless...
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 17:12 - Apr 27 with 2025 views | monytowbray |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 14:45 - Apr 27 by GlasgowBlue |
He refused to say whether he would take out the head of IS. It's in your blinking article Callis. |
No, he didn't. | |
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| Oh dear Jeremy on 17:13 - Apr 27 with 2023 views | monytowbray |
| Oh dear Jeremy on 17:08 - Apr 27 by Coastalblue |
The bloke can't even form a shadow cabinet because his own party colleagues won't work with him (nothing to do with the media there) how the hell would he form a government? |
He he was voted in he'd suddenly be surrounded by supportice back benchers taking back every word and Blairites pretending he was always their man. | |
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