| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:13 - May 19 with 3788 views | bournemouthblue |
I would expect him to be succeeded by another lefty
Clive Lewis would be my guess, we'll see if the likes of Chuka come again though
As I have already said, MI5 will have had him on the radar because of his connections to CND and therefore Trident. The intelligence in that period was flakey at best.
You're also not meant to use intelligence obtained under the national secrets act for political gain but I'm sure people know that |  |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:13 - May 19 with 3788 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:07 - May 19 by GlasgowBlue |
I completely agree and I said this last week.
The Tories are looking for a three figure majority. At the same time they want Corbyn to do at least as well as Miliband so that he doesn't have to resign and we have him as Labour leader for another five years or however long it will take to damage the Labour party.
He has been hovering around the 28-31% mark for a few weeks but he's just launched a popularist manifesto and I would imagine internal polling is showing him around the 32-34% mark which would reduce the Tories majority to about 70.
Hence the reason for this story. A timely reminder to working class Labour voters that he spent his early political career supporting the IRA. |
They're not that blo0dy clever !......what precise majority are they aiming for ?
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:13 - May 19 with 3787 views | Gromheort |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:11 - May 19 by GlasgowBlue |
I've said all along he will stay. Kinnock stayed after defeat in 1987. Why should Corbyn step down? He still has work to do. |
Ensuring democracy within the party is just good sense |  | | |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:25 - May 19 with 3755 views | lowhouseblue |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:13 - May 19 by Gromheort |
Ensuring democracy within the party is just good sense |
even amongst momentum, a lot of people will see a crushing defeat as a bad thing. they're not all like you, some will be disappointed by a huge tory majority. you shouldn't start celebrating that just yet. [Post edited 19 May 2017 22:31]
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:28 - May 19 with 3744 views | Gromheort |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:25 - May 19 by lowhouseblue |
even amongst momentum, a lot of people will see a crushing defeat as a bad thing. they're not all like you, some will be disappointed by a huge tory majority. you shouldn't start celebrating that just yet. [Post edited 19 May 2017 22:31]
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Labour has gone backwards because of right wingers that have ignored our core values. I'm going for Labour victory in the election, but the least we need is a reclaimed party. Democracy in the party must happen. | | | |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:31 - May 19 with 3730 views | footers |
Are there multiple files on the members of the Tory government who were also speaking to the IRA? If not, why not? |  |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:44 - May 19 with 3691 views | lowhouseblue |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:28 - May 19 by Gromheort |
Labour has gone backwards because of right wingers that have ignored our core values. I'm going for Labour victory in the election, but the least we need is a reclaimed party. Democracy in the party must happen. |
you're a marxist, your core values have nothing to do with the labour party. you have no interest in the outcome of the election. and you clearly don't give a stuff about labour voters. | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:46 - May 19 with 3679 views | Gromheort |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:44 - May 19 by lowhouseblue |
you're a marxist, your core values have nothing to do with the labour party. you have no interest in the outcome of the election. and you clearly don't give a stuff about labour voters. |
I'm not a Marxist. Why are you playing pretend? | | | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:59 - May 19 with 3655 views | lowhouseblue |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:46 - May 19 by Gromheort |
I'm not a Marxist. Why are you playing pretend? |
you've posted that you are. there's no pretend. you don't share the party's values, and if a party stood on what you believe it would get zero support. so you've gone down the £3 entryist route instead. you clearly see a crushing defeat for the party as an opportunity to advance your narrow sectional agenda.
in the 80s, under reg underhill, my father sat on party panels kicking out militant. i can see now that it would have been immensely satisfying.
at least come 9th june this place will be free of you. | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 23:02 - May 19 with 3646 views | Gromheort |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:59 - May 19 by lowhouseblue |
you've posted that you are. there's no pretend. you don't share the party's values, and if a party stood on what you believe it would get zero support. so you've gone down the £3 entryist route instead. you clearly see a crushing defeat for the party as an opportunity to advance your narrow sectional agenda.
in the 80s, under reg underhill, my father sat on party panels kicking out militant. i can see now that it would have been immensely satisfying.
at least come 9th june this place will be free of you. |
Don't fib now! I've referred to how Marxism has been embedded in economic understanding (e.g. efficiency wages). I would be classed as old Labour. However, we both know that actually means real Labour. Do you pretend also to be Labour?
And no, as an Ipswich fan I'm hear to stay. Your attacks won't work. | | | |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 23:06 - May 19 with 3636 views | vapour_trail |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 22:31 - May 19 by footers |
Are there multiple files on the members of the Tory government who were also speaking to the IRA? If not, why not? |
It is one of the things I admire most about the tories, the determination of the major govt to get the job done in Ireland, after the disaster that was thatcher. |  |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 23:19 - May 19 with 3605 views | Gromheort |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 23:17 - May 19 by lowhouseblue |
you've said your belief is that markets should be replaced with worker ownership - but you don't think there's public support for that. 
does your momentum training extend to posts on football - was that the bit they told you about establishing a connection on the 'online' doorstep? [Post edited 19 May 2017 23:18]
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Market socialism doesn't mean Marxism. You can't use your own 'innocence' to give tags to others.
You didn't answer. Do you pretend to be Labour? [Post edited 19 May 2017 23:20]
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 23:23 - May 19 with 3585 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 23:06 - May 19 by vapour_trail |
It is one of the things I admire most about the tories, the determination of the major govt to get the job done in Ireland, after the disaster that was thatcher. |
You're ignoring the Anglo/Irish Agreement of 1985, which is seen as the forerunner for the Good Friday Agreement.
Of course the man of peace, Mr Corbyn, voted against the Anglo/Irish Agreement. |  |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 23:28 - May 19 with 3567 views | lowhouseblue |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 23:19 - May 19 by Gromheort |
Market socialism doesn't mean Marxism. You can't use your own 'innocence' to give tags to others.
You didn't answer. Do you pretend to be Labour? [Post edited 19 May 2017 23:20]
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no tag. you're an entryist with no connection to labour's core values. you've repeatedly posted that you see labours crushing defeat as an opportunity to pursue a sectional agenda within the party. a £3 entryist who's been on momentum's social media training. probably wise not to admit to that in future.
anyway, i'll leave it at that. | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 23:31 - May 19 with 3549 views | Gromheort |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 23:28 - May 19 by lowhouseblue |
no tag. you're an entryist with no connection to labour's core values. you've repeatedly posted that you see labours crushing defeat as an opportunity to pursue a sectional agenda within the party. a £3 entryist who's been on momentum's social media training. probably wise not to admit to that in future.
anyway, i'll leave it at that. |
Nope, your whole post is make believe. I'm "old" Labour. Are you Labour? I've seen no evidence of it. However, happy to debate why you're not | | | |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 09:44 - May 20 with 3467 views | Dolly2.0 |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 21:38 - May 19 by GlasgowBlue |
I'm sure Dolly has an explanation for this. He did, after all, have the lowest expense claim of any MP so there is no way he could have been a terrorist sympathiser. |
Plenty of people have answered this in the thread but you appear to have ignored their very good points... |  |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 09:56 - May 20 with 3456 views | BackToRussia |
Are you gonna post propaganda every day before the election? |  |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 10:16 - May 20 with 3446 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 21:37 - May 19 by GeoffSentence |
They will have a file on anyone remotely significant and who is in any way anti-establishment. |
I suppose having anti-establishment views and stating them on a very successful internet forum explains the existence of a number of posters to this forum who try to discredit such views at every turn.
Not so long ago, half the posts to this thread would have been met with images of people wearing tinfoil headgear. Nowadays, it appears that it is in fact obvious that security agencies have files on anti-establishment types - and even people at risk of holding potentially anti-establishment views like people at university.
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 10:41 - May 20 with 3431 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 09:56 - May 20 by BackToRussia |
Are you gonna post propaganda every day before the election? |
I haven't posted any propoganda, just a factual report released yesterday.
Propoganda would likely have to be untrue... |  | | |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 11:04 - May 20 with 3412 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 10:41 - May 20 by ElderGrizzly |
I haven't posted any propoganda, just a factual report released yesterday.
Propoganda would likely have to be untrue... |
PropAganda:
information, ideas, opinions, or images, often only giving one part of an argument, that are broadcast, published, or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/propaganda | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 11:10 - May 20 with 3408 views | ElderGrizzly |
Well if anyone was going to understand the dictionary definition it would be you :)
The Mi5 story isn't one side of the story, just stating a fact he was. He clearly isn't a terrorist sympathiser in the way some have portrayed [Post edited 20 May 2017 11:10]
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 11:14 - May 20 with 3398 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 11:10 - May 20 by ElderGrizzly |
Well if anyone was going to understand the dictionary definition it would be you :)
The Mi5 story isn't one side of the story, just stating a fact he was. He clearly isn't a terrorist sympathiser in the way some have portrayed [Post edited 20 May 2017 11:10]
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I'm not interested in whether Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser or not (he's not).
I was pointing out that what you are posting, as BTR originally claimed, is propaganda.
BTW, dictionary definitions are designed to be understood. That's their whole reason for being. | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 11:19 - May 20 with 3399 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 11:14 - May 20 by caught-in-limbo |
I'm not interested in whether Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser or not (he's not).
I was pointing out that what you are posting, as BTR originally claimed, is propaganda.
BTW, dictionary definitions are designed to be understood. That's their whole reason for being. |
I'd say it's interestingly timed, but not propaganda. But then any story during election time could have that definition applied to it depending on the readership or intent.
Yet it's a fact, not fake news or anything else Momentum have claimed it to be this morning.
There is some real weird nonsense on social media from all sides right now, which is why sites like FullFact are invaluable for those who can't be bothered or have the time to dig for themselves. | | | |
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