| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 00:38 - May 21 with 2751 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 09:56 - May 20 by BackToRussia |
Are you gonna post propaganda every day before the election? |
Only if it's anti Corbyn |  |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 00:55 - May 21 with 2742 views | Dolly2.0 |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 00:37 - May 21 by The_Romford_Blue |
Funny ain't it how you always moan that people on here call out other posters on threads they ain't in and then yet again you do so yourself. |
I think people have to take Glassers with a pinch of salt.
Everyone, by now, knows what he's like. |  |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 08:53 - May 21 with 2680 views | GlasgowBlue |
Desperate stuff from you Libby. You chased benters from thread to thread regarding his comments on Barry Manilow. None of the threads you chased him around were related to his comments or the subject.
This thread is about new evidence regarding Corbyn's support for the IRA. Dolly has been Corbyn's leading apologist for this support.
Just as long as you remember. |  |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 08:53 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Desperate stuff from you Libby. You chased benters from thread to thread regarding his comments on Barry Manilow. None of the threads you chased him around were related to his comments or the subject.
This thread is about new evidence regarding Corbyn's support for the IRA. Dolly has been Corbyn's leading apologist for this support.
Just as long as you remember. |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 08:56 - May 21 with 2675 views | GlasgowBlue |
Night? You need to get out of bed and draw the curtains you lazy sod. | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 00:37 - May 21 by The_Romford_Blue |
Funny ain't it how you always moan that people on here call out other posters on threads they ain't in and then yet again you do so yourself. |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 09:36 - May 21 with 2664 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 21:21 - May 20 by m14_blue |
What's your view on Corbyn CIL?
Appreciate you may not be exposed to quite as much coverage as over here but I'm interested to know if you regard him as genuinely anti-establishment? |
As you say, I'm not exposed to much coverage out here. On top of that I don't have a TV any more.
I think Corbyn is probably as good an anti-establishment party leader you could have in a political system which serves the establishment more than the electorate.
But what good is it really?
There are people on here that constantly tell us a strong opposition makes a strong government. I think a strong pro-establishment opposition to a strong pro-establishment governing party makes a very strong establishment.
Corbyn is not unelectable. The pro-establishment right tell us that because it strengthens their position. That said, I do think Corbyn is likely to be powerless if he ever got into power. It's similar to Trump in the US. The establishment-run intelligence agencies will dig into every aspect of his teams' past and soon have them all branded as terrorist sympathisers, homophobes, racists or antisemites within 3 months and they'll all resign and leave Corbyn isolated.
The best bet is not to vote at all. The second best bet is probably vote Corbyn just to see how sickeningly anti democratic the system is as the media and intelligence agencies with the right wing establishment reverse the will of the people and install who they wanted all along. |  |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 09:40 - May 21 with 2661 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 09:36 - May 21 by caught-in-limbo |
As you say, I'm not exposed to much coverage out here. On top of that I don't have a TV any more.
I think Corbyn is probably as good an anti-establishment party leader you could have in a political system which serves the establishment more than the electorate.
But what good is it really?
There are people on here that constantly tell us a strong opposition makes a strong government. I think a strong pro-establishment opposition to a strong pro-establishment governing party makes a very strong establishment.
Corbyn is not unelectable. The pro-establishment right tell us that because it strengthens their position. That said, I do think Corbyn is likely to be powerless if he ever got into power. It's similar to Trump in the US. The establishment-run intelligence agencies will dig into every aspect of his teams' past and soon have them all branded as terrorist sympathisers, homophobes, racists or antisemites within 3 months and they'll all resign and leave Corbyn isolated.
The best bet is not to vote at all. The second best bet is probably vote Corbyn just to see how sickeningly anti democratic the system is as the media and intelligence agencies with the right wing establishment reverse the will of the people and install who they wanted all along. |
They'll take out Trump like this?
http://m.beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2017/05/trumps-plane-will-be-shot |  | | |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 10:41 - May 21 with 2637 views | lowhouseblue |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 09:36 - May 21 by caught-in-limbo |
As you say, I'm not exposed to much coverage out here. On top of that I don't have a TV any more.
I think Corbyn is probably as good an anti-establishment party leader you could have in a political system which serves the establishment more than the electorate.
But what good is it really?
There are people on here that constantly tell us a strong opposition makes a strong government. I think a strong pro-establishment opposition to a strong pro-establishment governing party makes a very strong establishment.
Corbyn is not unelectable. The pro-establishment right tell us that because it strengthens their position. That said, I do think Corbyn is likely to be powerless if he ever got into power. It's similar to Trump in the US. The establishment-run intelligence agencies will dig into every aspect of his teams' past and soon have them all branded as terrorist sympathisers, homophobes, racists or antisemites within 3 months and they'll all resign and leave Corbyn isolated.
The best bet is not to vote at all. The second best bet is probably vote Corbyn just to see how sickeningly anti democratic the system is as the media and intelligence agencies with the right wing establishment reverse the will of the people and install who they wanted all along. |
this is an interesting article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39930236
the particularly relevant point is:
"Starbird's research points to an intentional use of disinformation to muddle thinking and "undermine trust in information just generally"."
you could add to that 'undermine trust in political institutions just generally'. which is exactly what you are all ways seeking to do. |  |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:14 - May 21 with 2609 views | Dolly2.0 |
No comment Glassers? | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:15 - May 21 with 2605 views | caught-in-limbo |
I doubt they'll take him out at all. They'll just isolate him and effectively neuter him, then the media will tell the people they made a mistake and voted for the wrong democratic option. | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:30 - May 21 with 2588 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 10:41 - May 21 by lowhouseblue |
this is an interesting article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39930236
the particularly relevant point is:
"Starbird's research points to an intentional use of disinformation to muddle thinking and "undermine trust in information just generally"."
you could add to that 'undermine trust in political institutions just generally'. which is exactly what you are all ways seeking to do. |
I read about 2 lines and then gave up.
It seems to me that despite the fact that we generally engage in the political process every 4 or 5 years and are given all sorts of promises for a better future, things just keep getting worse. The vast majority are working longer but earning less. Social services and medical care are no longer provided free or not provided at all. More and more money is spent on the military to fight "humanitarian" causes in geopolitically sensitive or resource rich countries.
When neither side of the political spectrum seems to represent the people, it's only normal that the electorate gets a bit jaded with the structures of power and our so called democracy.
A while back you linked a Guardian article saying this discontentment was an evil Putin strategy designed to weaken our strong democracy. I called you out saying that was the most ridiculous conspiracy theory of the lot.
Now it seems you're pushing the even more ridiculous idea that there's a "war being waged through a web of highly politicised conspiracy theories".
The article you link isn't interesting at all. It's conspiratorial nonsense dressed up as news. | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:32 - May 21 with 2574 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:14 - May 21 by Dolly2.0 |
No comment Glassers? |
Comment? The two questions you posed were:
1. Oh so when it's the Tories speaking to the IRA it's to end the violence, but when it's Corbyn he's supporting murder despite campaigning for peaceful resolutions for 30 years?
I answered that earlier in this thread.
"Members of the Tory government, like the Blair government spoke to the IRA with the full knowledge of the Prime Minister and the security services with an aim to ending the violence. They did not attend IRA meetings, stand in a minutes silence in honour of dead IRA bombers and praise them with the words "I am happy to commemorate all those who dies fighting for a United Ireland"
2. As many others have said in this thread, these so called revelations have deliberately been put out now because we're in an election campaign and Corbyn has had a good week.
Yes I also answered that earlier in the thread.
"The Tories are looking for a three figure majority. At the same time they want Corbyn to do at least as well as Miliband so that he doesn't have to resign and we have him as Labour leader for another five years or however long it will take to damage the Labour party.
He has been hovering around the 28-31% mark for a few weeks but he's just launched a popularist manifesto and I would imagine internal polling is showing him around the 32-34% mark which would reduce the Tories majority to about 70.
Hence the reason for this story. A timely reminder to working class Labour voters that he spent his early political career supporting the IRA. "
So you are calling me out for not commenting on things I actually commented.
Confused? You will be.
And I don't run away from answering questions. Unlike you Dolly Swerviage. Any chance you will return the courtesy and address this
http://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/405524/3610692/dont-do-it-bernie..../#post3610692
And then you may care to address the fact that today Corbyn refused to unequivocally condemn the IRA whilst it has also been revealed that Diane Abbott supported ‘defeat of Britain’ in Northern Ireland struggle. n an interview with a pro-republican journal, she said that Ireland "is our struggle – every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed." And slammed Northern Ireland as an "enclave of white supremacist ideologies". [Post edited 21 May 2017 12:33]
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:34 - May 21 with 2564 views | No9 |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:32 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Comment? The two questions you posed were:
1. Oh so when it's the Tories speaking to the IRA it's to end the violence, but when it's Corbyn he's supporting murder despite campaigning for peaceful resolutions for 30 years?
I answered that earlier in this thread.
"Members of the Tory government, like the Blair government spoke to the IRA with the full knowledge of the Prime Minister and the security services with an aim to ending the violence. They did not attend IRA meetings, stand in a minutes silence in honour of dead IRA bombers and praise them with the words "I am happy to commemorate all those who dies fighting for a United Ireland"
2. As many others have said in this thread, these so called revelations have deliberately been put out now because we're in an election campaign and Corbyn has had a good week.
Yes I also answered that earlier in the thread.
"The Tories are looking for a three figure majority. At the same time they want Corbyn to do at least as well as Miliband so that he doesn't have to resign and we have him as Labour leader for another five years or however long it will take to damage the Labour party.
He has been hovering around the 28-31% mark for a few weeks but he's just launched a popularist manifesto and I would imagine internal polling is showing him around the 32-34% mark which would reduce the Tories majority to about 70.
Hence the reason for this story. A timely reminder to working class Labour voters that he spent his early political career supporting the IRA. "
So you are calling me out for not commenting on things I actually commented.
Confused? You will be.
And I don't run away from answering questions. Unlike you Dolly Swerviage. Any chance you will return the courtesy and address this
http://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/405524/3610692/dont-do-it-bernie..../#post3610692
And then you may care to address the fact that today Corbyn refused to unequivocally condemn the IRA whilst it has also been revealed that Diane Abbott supported ‘defeat of Britain’ in Northern Ireland struggle. n an interview with a pro-republican journal, she said that Ireland "is our struggle – every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed." And slammed Northern Ireland as an "enclave of white supremacist ideologies". [Post edited 21 May 2017 12:33]
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Perhaps they should open an Mi5 investigation into howm much money the Syrian gave 'Dave' & was it to go to war in Syria - don't you? | | | |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:38 - May 21 with 2554 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:34 - May 21 by No9 |
Perhaps they should open an Mi5 investigation into howm much money the Syrian gave 'Dave' & was it to go to war in Syria - don't you? |
Swervetastic. How about you actually address what I posted. | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:42 - May 21 with 2551 views | Dolly2.0 |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:32 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Comment? The two questions you posed were:
1. Oh so when it's the Tories speaking to the IRA it's to end the violence, but when it's Corbyn he's supporting murder despite campaigning for peaceful resolutions for 30 years?
I answered that earlier in this thread.
"Members of the Tory government, like the Blair government spoke to the IRA with the full knowledge of the Prime Minister and the security services with an aim to ending the violence. They did not attend IRA meetings, stand in a minutes silence in honour of dead IRA bombers and praise them with the words "I am happy to commemorate all those who dies fighting for a United Ireland"
2. As many others have said in this thread, these so called revelations have deliberately been put out now because we're in an election campaign and Corbyn has had a good week.
Yes I also answered that earlier in the thread.
"The Tories are looking for a three figure majority. At the same time they want Corbyn to do at least as well as Miliband so that he doesn't have to resign and we have him as Labour leader for another five years or however long it will take to damage the Labour party.
He has been hovering around the 28-31% mark for a few weeks but he's just launched a popularist manifesto and I would imagine internal polling is showing him around the 32-34% mark which would reduce the Tories majority to about 70.
Hence the reason for this story. A timely reminder to working class Labour voters that he spent his early political career supporting the IRA. "
So you are calling me out for not commenting on things I actually commented.
Confused? You will be.
And I don't run away from answering questions. Unlike you Dolly Swerviage. Any chance you will return the courtesy and address this
http://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/405524/3610692/dont-do-it-bernie..../#post3610692
And then you may care to address the fact that today Corbyn refused to unequivocally condemn the IRA whilst it has also been revealed that Diane Abbott supported ‘defeat of Britain’ in Northern Ireland struggle. n an interview with a pro-republican journal, she said that Ireland "is our struggle – every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed." And slammed Northern Ireland as an "enclave of white supremacist ideologies". [Post edited 21 May 2017 12:33]
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Why are you re-quoting yourself (and me, from another thread several days ago)?
I've seen all that and found further evidence to counter it. All I've asked is you read and address the article I linked to which explains Corbyn's links to the IRA.
What have I swerved? I've answered on many occasions why I disagree with you that Corbyn supports murder. If you believe that, that's your business. I don't and have explained why.
It's quite funny seeing you trying to coin the phrase "Dolly Swerviage" - particularly as we know it's origins are The Glasgow Swerve. And also because you put my on ignore for calling you out on swerving questions.
You're just a swirling mass of hypocrisy. If I look up hypocrisy in the dictionary I half expect to see a picture of your smiling face. | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:44 - May 21 with 2545 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:42 - May 21 by Dolly2.0 |
Why are you re-quoting yourself (and me, from another thread several days ago)?
I've seen all that and found further evidence to counter it. All I've asked is you read and address the article I linked to which explains Corbyn's links to the IRA.
What have I swerved? I've answered on many occasions why I disagree with you that Corbyn supports murder. If you believe that, that's your business. I don't and have explained why.
It's quite funny seeing you trying to coin the phrase "Dolly Swerviage" - particularly as we know it's origins are The Glasgow Swerve. And also because you put my on ignore for calling you out on swerving questions.
You're just a swirling mass of hypocrisy. If I look up hypocrisy in the dictionary I half expect to see a picture of your smiling face. |
Comment on those links and I'll comment on yours. Fair enough Mr Swerviage? | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 13:01 - May 21 with 2535 views | monytowbray |
I enjoy the way people talk about the IRA whilst denying the reason they existed to begin with. Corbyn did more to build that bridge than Thatcher did, yet Corbyn continually branded a synpathiser for talking to them. |  |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 13:16 - May 21 with 2518 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 13:01 - May 21 by monytowbray |
I enjoy the way people talk about the IRA whilst denying the reason they existed to begin with. Corbyn did more to build that bridge than Thatcher did, yet Corbyn continually branded a synpathiser for talking to them. |
Jesus Christ. I'm out of here before I say something I'll regret. | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 13:39 - May 21 with 2496 views | Dolly2.0 |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:44 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Comment on those links and I'll comment on yours. Fair enough Mr Swerviage? |
I've addressed the content in those links many times over. You repeating them, and repeatedly asking me to comment on them in the hope of getting a different answer (i.e.the one you want) is a fruitless task.
In fact the link I've posted answers a lot of the points in them. The reason you keep posting the same stuff (and saying you won't comment on my link) is just another Glasgow Swerve.
BTW, I can't read the Spectator as I'm not a subscriber. The Torygraph article is ridiculously one-sided, as you'd expect. | |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 13:45 - May 21 with 2482 views | Archer4721 |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 13:01 - May 21 by monytowbray |
I enjoy the way people talk about the IRA whilst denying the reason they existed to begin with. Corbyn did more to build that bridge than Thatcher did, yet Corbyn continually branded a synpathiser for talking to them. |
Spot on
Now I wonder how those same people feel about these Tories accepting gifts from those who sponsor terrorism.
Tory ministers accept 20 luxury food hampers from Saudi Arabian regime worsening famine in Yemen
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-saudi-arabia-food-hampers-bor |  | | |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 13:52 - May 21 with 2464 views | lowhouseblue |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 12:30 - May 21 by caught-in-limbo |
I read about 2 lines and then gave up.
It seems to me that despite the fact that we generally engage in the political process every 4 or 5 years and are given all sorts of promises for a better future, things just keep getting worse. The vast majority are working longer but earning less. Social services and medical care are no longer provided free or not provided at all. More and more money is spent on the military to fight "humanitarian" causes in geopolitically sensitive or resource rich countries.
When neither side of the political spectrum seems to represent the people, it's only normal that the electorate gets a bit jaded with the structures of power and our so called democracy.
A while back you linked a Guardian article saying this discontentment was an evil Putin strategy designed to weaken our strong democracy. I called you out saying that was the most ridiculous conspiracy theory of the lot.
Now it seems you're pushing the even more ridiculous idea that there's a "war being waged through a web of highly politicised conspiracy theories".
The article you link isn't interesting at all. It's conspiratorial nonsense dressed up as news. |
i was just trying to put your original post in some context. you have a hugely political world view which seeks to undermine all western political institutions. as the article showed, there are others who are seeking to do the same and they are usually anti-american, anti-state, pro-gun, pro-dictators and pro-russia. you therefore have unpleasant bed fellows. just saying. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 13:53 - May 21 with 2459 views | Archer4721 |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 13:16 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Jesus Christ. I'm out of here before I say something I'll regret. |
Great.
You won't be missed | | | |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 13:54 - May 21 with 2457 views | monytowbray |
| Mi5 opened a file on Corbyn over IRA links on 13:16 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Jesus Christ. I'm out of here before I say something I'll regret. |
We could always change the subject to be about how many dangerous organisations out governments have sold arms to in recent decades.
I've said before Glassers, my ex was NI from a Catholic background. I do not support the actions of the IRA but when you hear a different side of the fence and understand why they existed you might change your blanket view of it being mindless terrorism. | |
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