My daughter at Manchester concert last night 08:32 - May 23 with 4265 views | Rentaghost | She phoned on her coach on way back to Lancaster with her best friend. Heartbroken with all those innocent kids killed. I dont understand the modern world. | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 08:35 - May 23 with 3750 views | taximan | you must have been out of your mind with worry | | | |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 08:39 - May 23 with 3726 views | Ryorry | So glad she's OK. I don't understand some people or groups in the modern world. The rest of it's OK, or even good. | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 08:42 - May 23 with 3700 views | christiand | Glad she is safe and sound. So sad listening to a mother on GMB waiting to hear from her daughter after last night's concert - it makes you sick to the stomach! | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 09:12 - May 23 with 3594 views | hoppy | Glad she's ok and you heard relatively soon afterwards. KJ's cousin has a friend that was there missing currently, waiting to hear news. | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 09:51 - May 23 with 3455 views | Guthrum |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 08:39 - May 23 by Ryorry | So glad she's OK. I don't understand some people or groups in the modern world. The rest of it's OK, or even good. |
Problem is, a lot of those groups are not in the modern world, indeed they're trying to turn the clock back to some sort of largely imaginary past. | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 09:56 - May 23 with 3416 views | RegencyBlue |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 09:51 - May 23 by Guthrum | Problem is, a lot of those groups are not in the modern world, indeed they're trying to turn the clock back to some sort of largely imaginary past. |
Indeed. Religious fanaticism never ends well! | | | |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:00 - May 23 with 3390 views | textbackup | Seen various parents on the TV saying how they were waiting outside for their kids... I just cant possibly imagine what they felt hearing/seeing hundreds of people running in every direction... So glad your daughter is safe | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:08 - May 23 with 3338 views | Guthrum |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 09:56 - May 23 by RegencyBlue | Indeed. Religious fanaticism never ends well! |
Religious, but also tribal/cultural. For example, their positively weird attitude towards women is less to do with Islam than reinforcing an already strongly pariarchal society. A lot of it is about returning to a mythical age when everything was supposedly prosperous and wonderful - which never really existed - at a time of great social and economic change and pressure. | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:13 - May 23 with 3282 views | GlasgowBlue | Glad to here she's ok mate. | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:16 - May 23 with 3264 views | WeWereZombies |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:08 - May 23 by Guthrum | Religious, but also tribal/cultural. For example, their positively weird attitude towards women is less to do with Islam than reinforcing an already strongly pariarchal society. A lot of it is about returning to a mythical age when everything was supposedly prosperous and wonderful - which never really existed - at a time of great social and economic change and pressure. |
Let's wait until we know more about the attacker, or even who he was. We hear a lot about the attacks but the determination of whether these are part of a thoroughly organised terror campaign or opportunistic attacks by damaged individuals (or even a combination of both in deep cover or sleeper cell patterns) is not being fully revealed. | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:29 - May 23 with 3205 views | Guthrum |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:16 - May 23 by WeWereZombies | Let's wait until we know more about the attacker, or even who he was. We hear a lot about the attacks but the determination of whether these are part of a thoroughly organised terror campaign or opportunistic attacks by damaged individuals (or even a combination of both in deep cover or sleeper cell patterns) is not being fully revealed. |
Indeed, I was just making a more general point. The nature of modern terrorism - and the vigourous activity of security services - mean that networks, where they exist at all, are less structured and more individual. They are not in a position to organise concerted and coordinated campaigns. The internet allows otherwise isolated vulnerable people to be radicalised with no direct personal contact. They then act alone and in an opportunistic fashion - but not according to any prearranged timetable or plan. | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:36 - May 23 with 3164 views | stickymockwell | Good to hear she's safe. [Post edited 23 May 2017 10:41]
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:38 - May 23 with 3143 views | Gromheort |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:29 - May 23 by Guthrum | Indeed, I was just making a more general point. The nature of modern terrorism - and the vigourous activity of security services - mean that networks, where they exist at all, are less structured and more individual. They are not in a position to organise concerted and coordinated campaigns. The internet allows otherwise isolated vulnerable people to be radicalised with no direct personal contact. They then act alone and in an opportunistic fashion - but not according to any prearranged timetable or plan. |
Appreciate your point, but we should be careful in underestimating co-ordination. The empirical evidence into modern terrorism suggests cycles in activity. One reason for this is that, given the probability of failure, terrorist groups do attempt to take advantage of economies of scale. They'll therefore look to maximise the number of attacks in a given time frame. All of course depends on the specific incident and the criminal(s) behind it. But understanding those cycles are a key part in trying to ascertain how successful counter-terrorist policy has been. | | | |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:42 - May 23 with 3121 views | WeWereZombies |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:38 - May 23 by Gromheort | Appreciate your point, but we should be careful in underestimating co-ordination. The empirical evidence into modern terrorism suggests cycles in activity. One reason for this is that, given the probability of failure, terrorist groups do attempt to take advantage of economies of scale. They'll therefore look to maximise the number of attacks in a given time frame. All of course depends on the specific incident and the criminal(s) behind it. But understanding those cycles are a key part in trying to ascertain how successful counter-terrorist policy has been. |
Not sure if you are heaping speculation upon speculation here, for the moment I'm just thankful Rentaghost's daughter is safe and mourn those who were not. | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:44 - May 23 with 3112 views | Gromheort |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:42 - May 23 by WeWereZombies | Not sure if you are heaping speculation upon speculation here, for the moment I'm just thankful Rentaghost's daughter is safe and mourn those who were not. |
Certainly don't want to speculate over this particular crime. Its more about how we minimise future victims. The data analysis into terrorist activity has been a key element for that. | | | |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:47 - May 23 with 3089 views | Guthrum |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:38 - May 23 by Gromheort | Appreciate your point, but we should be careful in underestimating co-ordination. The empirical evidence into modern terrorism suggests cycles in activity. One reason for this is that, given the probability of failure, terrorist groups do attempt to take advantage of economies of scale. They'll therefore look to maximise the number of attacks in a given time frame. All of course depends on the specific incident and the criminal(s) behind it. But understanding those cycles are a key part in trying to ascertain how successful counter-terrorist policy has been. |
Altho cycles are not entirely at the group's discretion. This particular burst of violence over the last couple of years has coincided with Islamic State's defeat on the battlefield and the rolling up of its territory. Their magazines, websites and twitter feeds are constantly calling for direct action. It's not so much a carefully coodinated plan as trying to stir up what trouble they can in their opponents' home countries. | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:49 - May 23 with 3078 views | Guthrum |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:42 - May 23 by WeWereZombies | Not sure if you are heaping speculation upon speculation here, for the moment I'm just thankful Rentaghost's daughter is safe and mourn those who were not. |
Yes, this is probably the wrong thread to get into discussions about the nature of terrorism. | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:57 - May 23 with 3043 views | itfcjoe |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:08 - May 23 by Guthrum | Religious, but also tribal/cultural. For example, their positively weird attitude towards women is less to do with Islam than reinforcing an already strongly pariarchal society. A lot of it is about returning to a mythical age when everything was supposedly prosperous and wonderful - which never really existed - at a time of great social and economic change and pressure. |
Are we talking about UKIP or Isis here? | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:58 - May 23 with 3034 views | itfcjoe | Glad to hear she is ok, heart goes out to the parents who are yet to receive that call. | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 12:25 - May 23 with 2858 views | The_Romford_Blue | Glad to hear she is ok | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:43 - May 25 with 2357 views | hoppy |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 09:12 - May 23 by hoppy | Glad she's ok and you heard relatively soon afterwards. KJ's cousin has a friend that was there missing currently, waiting to hear news. |
Sadly, she was one of those killed. | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:44 - May 25 with 2347 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:43 - May 25 by hoppy | Sadly, she was one of those killed. |
very sorry to hear that | | | |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:47 - May 25 with 2334 views | Swansea_Blue |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:43 - May 25 by hoppy | Sadly, she was one of those killed. |
sorry to hear that Hoppy | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 11:27 - May 25 with 2272 views | The_Romford_Blue |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:43 - May 25 by hoppy | Sadly, she was one of those killed. |
Sorry to hear that Hops | |
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My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 11:28 - May 25 with 2261 views | Kieran_Knows |
My daughter at Manchester concert last night on 10:43 - May 25 by hoppy | Sadly, she was one of those killed. |
Very sorry indeed to hear that, Hoppy. | |
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