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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... 13:44 - May 24 with 11508 viewsRoyKeanesDog

IRA members committing acts of terrorism in name of their religion, and ISIS members committing acts of terrorism in the name of their religion?

Thankfully I am too young to remember the IRA attacks, but I have grown up with ISIS and other Muslim extremists, and I am able to appreciate that they do not represent the religion.

It may help me that I have grown up with Muslims, and lived in cosmopolitan cities so I can see how the Muslim community live their life in peace, and accommodate to our community.

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 16:25 - May 24 with 3033 viewsGuthrum

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 16:17 - May 24 by unbelievablue

Spot on.

The real power behind their 'pull', so to speak, is their caliphate, something Al Qaeda never offered (and did not intend to, for numerous theological, political and practical reasons). Get rid of that, and we're half way there.

Of course, the aftermath will be bloody, complex and potentially fertile breeding ground for future Islamist groups.


The basic issues which inspire the wider problem of Islamist jihad have not gone away - and will not do so until (if ever) the issues of poverty, inequality, poor governance, social change, historical resentment (particularly over real or perceived foreign interference) and regional rivalry are dealt with in the Middle East, plus integration and alienation in the West.

But clobber the "Caliphate" and the situation will subside for a while (if nothing else because a whole generation of leaders and experienced fighters are dead).

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 16:28 - May 24 with 3017 viewshomer_123

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 16:25 - May 24 by Guthrum

The basic issues which inspire the wider problem of Islamist jihad have not gone away - and will not do so until (if ever) the issues of poverty, inequality, poor governance, social change, historical resentment (particularly over real or perceived foreign interference) and regional rivalry are dealt with in the Middle East, plus integration and alienation in the West.

But clobber the "Caliphate" and the situation will subside for a while (if nothing else because a whole generation of leaders and experienced fighters are dead).


You have a group of young, disenfranchised people that are/ seem/ feel/ perceive:

1. Easily lead
2. Have nothing
3. Little prospects

Until this is resolved, as you say, other things other than ISIS or religion will take over.

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 16:54 - May 24 with 2981 viewsDolly2.0

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 14:57 - May 24 by lowhouseblue

they had different objectives but their methods were the same.

the ira had the option of pursuing their objectives through the political process - as the sdlp did - but they instead chose violence and murder.


You're telling me something I, and everybody else, knows.

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 16:55 - May 24 with 2981 viewsbradforblues

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 14:09 - May 24 by monytowbray

Huge difference. IRA committed terrorism as they were treated as second class citizens in their own country. ISIS commit terrorism as they interpret it as the duty from their religious texts.


Don't you think it may be to do with the illegal war in Iraq, or the invasion of Afghanistan or the bombing of Syria. If you think ISIS exist are because of their interpretation of Islam where we're ISIS 20 or 30 years ago ?

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 17:05 - May 24 with 2963 viewsGlasgowBlue

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 15:38 - May 24 by manchego

The IRA were not involved in an ideological / theological struggle.
They were Catholics but it was a purely political conflict. Same for Unionists.

ISIS is a theological struggle / war.


Not true. The leadership of the Provisional IRA followed a Marxist ideology and had the ultimate goal of a 32 county, independent, socialist republic.

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 18:02 - May 24 with 2932 viewschicoazul

Sorry if im repeating what others have said but the IRA didnt commit murders in the name of their religion.

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 18:14 - May 24 with 2915 viewstractorboy1978

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 14:05 - May 24 by RoyKeanesDog

I think you have a point that it how it is perceived, but if you look at the black and white facts I don't see a difference.

ISIS attackers do not represent Islam, just like IRA did not represent Catholicism. It's a shame people don't see that.


Have you read the Quran cover to cover? There is some seriously questionable ideology contained within it.

These people believe they do represent Islam and are killing in the name of that religion. This is the elephant in the room when people proclaim "this has nothing to do with Islam"
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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 18:19 - May 24 with 2902 viewslowhouseblue

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 16:54 - May 24 by Dolly2.0

You're telling me something I, and everybody else, knows.


great, so you understand that there is an equivalence between them and the fact that ISIS have less 'tangible' objectives isn't really here nor there.
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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 21:02 - May 24 with 2843 viewsmanchego

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 17:05 - May 24 by GlasgowBlue

Not true. The leadership of the Provisional IRA followed a Marxist ideology and had the ultimate goal of a 32 county, independent, socialist republic.


Marxism isn't a religion you loon.
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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 21:21 - May 24 with 2829 viewsGlasgowBlue

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 21:02 - May 24 by manchego

Marxism isn't a religion you loon.


Charming.

Marxism is an ideology. You said that "The IRA were not involved in an ideological / theological struggle.

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 21:22 - May 24 with 2827 viewsGlasgowBlue

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 18:19 - May 24 by lowhouseblue

great, so you understand that there is an equivalence between them and the fact that ISIS have less 'tangible' objectives isn't really here nor there.
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That would involve him waking up to some inconvenient truths.

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 21:36 - May 24 with 2815 viewsmanchego

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 21:21 - May 24 by GlasgowBlue

Charming.

Marxism is an ideology. You said that "The IRA were not involved in an ideological / theological struggle.


OK I see I should have been more grammatically correct and used a hyphen between ideological and theological.
However it should have been clear from the whole post that I was stating that the IRA was entirely political.
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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 21:58 - May 24 with 2799 viewsBigalhunter

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 14:51 - May 24 by ThePitBoss

Mince around Tower hamlets for a bit and see how the community accommodates you there.


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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 22:24 - May 24 with 2775 viewsMelford

I don't see any change in the level of threat from the IRA back in the day and what we are facing now. I remember (just about) when the IRA bombed the Tory Party conference, even in the 90's you had the Canary Wharf bomb, mortars fired at Downing Street. The bombs at Manchester Arndale Centre and Warrington. There wasn't this paranoia we have now back then. Nobody condemned the Irish or Catholics as enemies of the state. There was nobody saying send the Irish home, stop them coming here, like you have with Muslims today.

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 22:35 - May 24 with 2767 viewsLord_Lucan

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 21:36 - May 24 by manchego

OK I see I should have been more grammatically correct and used a hyphen between ideological and theological.
However it should have been clear from the whole post that I was stating that the IRA was entirely political.


The IRA was absolutely never entirely political.

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 22:48 - May 24 with 2751 viewsMelford

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 22:35 - May 24 by Lord_Lucan

The IRA was absolutely never entirely political.


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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 22:49 - May 24 with 2750 viewsDolly2.0

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 18:19 - May 24 by lowhouseblue

great, so you understand that there is an equivalence between them and the fact that ISIS have less 'tangible' objectives isn't really here nor there.
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Read the OP again. He asked what the difference was between the two groups. There is an equivalence in their methods - I haven't said there isn't. I've answered the OP by saying there is a difference is in their reasons why.

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 22:50 - May 24 with 2747 viewsDolly2.0

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 21:22 - May 24 by GlasgowBlue

That would involve him waking up to some inconvenient truths.


You also need to read what the OP actually asked.

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 23:00 - May 24 with 2737 viewsvapour_trail

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 15:09 - May 24 by monytowbray

No, I was questioning the agenda of PitBoss.


There's little to be gained by questioning the agenda of that tool or even engaging with him, as has been the case with his multiple previous aliases here, all banned. I can't think of anyone with a greater net negative contribution to the board.

To RKD, for what it's worth, I see very big differences in tactics. I'd also call one an organisation and one a movement. One that could be negotiated with - ultimately- and one that cannot.

Neither particularly palatable.

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 23:02 - May 24 with 2736 viewslowhouseblue

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 22:49 - May 24 by Dolly2.0

Read the OP again. He asked what the difference was between the two groups. There is an equivalence in their methods - I haven't said there isn't. I've answered the OP by saying there is a difference is in their reasons why.


obviously there's a difference in their reasons. but as the op proposes that still doesn't amount to a real difference between them - they are both violent murderers. their reasons don't alter that - unless you want to argue that a particular set of reasons provides a justification - but i'm sure you don't want to go that road?

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 23:43 - May 24 with 2701 viewsLord_Lucan

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 22:48 - May 24 by Melford

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 00:21 - May 25 with 2683 viewsLamp

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 16:12 - May 24 by GlasgowBlue

And the treatment of the catholic minority and a wish to see a united Ireland did not justify blowing up little kids in shopping centres or normal everyday folk in pubs than the reasons IS and Islamist terrorists give for doing the same.

You'll agree with me on that point won't you?


I would agree with that. But I would also say the IRA was nothing more than a fringe group until Bloody Sunday. That still doesn't justify what happened afterwards but was probably a cause in the shift from Catholics welcoming the British Army.

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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 09:16 - May 25 with 2619 viewsBlue_Order

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 18:02 - May 24 by chicoazul

Sorry if im repeating what others have said but the IRA didnt commit murders in the name of their religion.


The catholic textile worker being allowed off the bus at Kingsmill before 11 of his protestant colleagues were lined up and shot to bits is one example of it might having something to do with religion.
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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 09:31 - May 25 with 2603 viewsNo9

The case may be made that the Irish were historically treated very badly by the English and had a cause.

You could say the actions of the British in Afgahanistan in previous centuries and the actions of Mad Mitch in Qatar would have had an anti british effect
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Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 09:34 - May 25 with 2600 viewsunbelievablue

Does anybody genuinely see any real difference between... on 09:31 - May 25 by No9

The case may be made that the Irish were historically treated very badly by the English and had a cause.

You could say the actions of the British in Afgahanistan in previous centuries and the actions of Mad Mitch in Qatar would have had an anti british effect


That does point to a more political causation than religious.

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