| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... 09:51 - May 25 with 5991 views | unstableblue |
That I think deserve an airing, especially given some of the narrow thinking that is surfacing.
1. The organisations promoting Jihad and radicalisation such as ISIS and Al-Qaeda, and this general hyper conservative movement is born from the Wahhabism sect, a splinter group of Sunni Islam. This movement is well supported and funded by groups within Saudi Arabia. Two key points: 1. This group believe fanatically that Shia and Yazidi muslims should also be targeted and are heretics. 2. Trump recently blamed Iran and therefore Shias for promoting terrorism rather than focussing on Saudi Arabia, as did George W Bush before him in focussing on Iraq rather than the source of terrorism funding and motivation.
2. Disenfranchised young men, many of whom will have been bullied and marginalised in their youth, much like those lone gun men who perpetrate atrocities in the US, are drawn to the thick bonds and trust, the sense of belonging among radical movements. They are also drawn to the 'hyper-masculine' sense of adventure in Jihad. 'Better than call of duty' one ISIS member declared. Furthermore, destabilised countries such as Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan where rule of law has been undermined and where sectarianism is leading to 'norms' of anti-woman and anti-gay hatred, hyper conservatism give these lone wolfs justification and targets. |  |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 10:20 - May 25 with 3322 views | Ewan_Oozami |
The Adam Curtis films, Hypernormalisation and Bitter Lake offer some useful historical background regarding the current West/Middle East situation. |  |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 10:25 - May 25 with 3310 views | hype313 |
CIL has been banging the drum on point 1 for years. |  |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 11:24 - May 25 with 3235 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 10:25 - May 25 by hype313 |
CIL has been banging the drum on point 1 for years. |
She's right to ! |  |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:21 - May 25 with 3166 views | Guthrum |
| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 10:25 - May 25 by hype313 |
CIL has been banging the drum on point 1 for years. |
And she's absolutely correct. |  |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:21 - May 25 with 3162 views | Guthrum |
Both points spot on. | |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:22 - May 25 with 3161 views | unbelievablue |
| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 10:20 - May 25 by Ewan_Oozami |
The Adam Curtis films, Hypernormalisation and Bitter Lake offer some useful historical background regarding the current West/Middle East situation. |
The first of which is still on iPlayer under 'films'. |  |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:22 - May 25 with 3155 views | Bluesquid |
| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 10:25 - May 25 by hype313 |
CIL has been banging the drum on point 1 for years. |
Yes she has, i was just going to post that myself. | | | |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:22 - May 25 by unbelievablue |
The first of which is still on iPlayer under 'films'. |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:24 - May 25 with 3144 views | Guthrum |
To an extent, yes. But there are internal reasons in the Middle East which have given birth to these problems, also. | |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:26 - May 25 with 3133 views | unbelievablue |
Not all on ourselves. There is a history of hundreds of years of Islamic theological and political division and splintering which is rather central. | |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:24 - May 25 by Guthrum |
To an extent, yes. But there are internal reasons in the Middle East which have given birth to these problems, also. |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:28 - May 25 with 3122 views | unbelievablue |
760s!* | |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:28 - May 25 by unbelievablue |
760s!* |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:31 - May 25 with 3107 views | unbelievablue |
ISIS, and Al Qaeda before them, can't be truly understood without the context of the history of certain strands of Islamic thought (IMHO). | |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:31 - May 25 by unbelievablue |
ISIS, and Al Qaeda before them, can't be truly understood without the context of the history of certain strands of Islamic thought (IMHO). |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:34 - May 25 with 3092 views | unbelievablue |
Misread your post. | |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:34 - May 25 by unbelievablue |
Misread your post. |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:39 - May 25 with 3075 views | feelingblue |
It goes back way beyond the '60s. Our most disastrous intervention was probably the Sykes Picot agreement of 1916, in which we managed to betray almost all of our Arab allies in one fell swoop. It certainly put Wahhabism in a position of power in what is now Saudi Arabia.
The Balfour declaration hasn't gone well, either.
Anyone who wants to know more might try reading A Line in the Sand by James Barr for a balanced assessment.
https://www.waterstones.com/book/a-line-in-the-sand/james-barr/9781847394576 |  | | |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:39 - May 25 by feelingblue |
It goes back way beyond the '60s. Our most disastrous intervention was probably the Sykes Picot agreement of 1916, in which we managed to betray almost all of our Arab allies in one fell swoop. It certainly put Wahhabism in a position of power in what is now Saudi Arabia.
The Balfour declaration hasn't gone well, either.
Anyone who wants to know more might try reading A Line in the Sand by James Barr for a balanced assessment.
https://www.waterstones.com/book/a-line-in-the-sand/james-barr/9781847394576 |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:44 - May 25 with 3059 views | Guthrum |
Tho the roots of modern jihadism go back to Sayyid Qutb who, after visiting the USA in the late 1940s, strongly rejected Americanised Western culture as a whole, as being corrupting and incompatible with his vision of Islam. His writings became hugely influential on the founders and present leaders of salafist islamism. Thus it was a reaction to passive cultural influence, as much as to active political interference. | |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:47 - May 25 with 3046 views | ThePitBoss |
You and other libtards, yep. |  | | |
| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:48 - May 25 with 3040 views | Darth_Koont |
| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:47 - May 25 by ThePitBoss |
You and other libtards, yep. |
Cometh the hour, cometh the tw@t. |  |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:48 - May 25 with 3040 views | unbelievablue |
| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:44 - May 25 by Guthrum |
Tho the roots of modern jihadism go back to Sayyid Qutb who, after visiting the USA in the late 1940s, strongly rejected Americanised Western culture as a whole, as being corrupting and incompatible with his vision of Islam. His writings became hugely influential on the founders and present leaders of salafist islamism. Thus it was a reaction to passive cultural influence, as much as to active political interference. |
Safe to say he didn't like jazz. | |
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| Two interesting views from the Indepedent on Manchester... on 12:47 - May 25 by ThePitBoss |
You and other libtards, yep. |
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