| Well said Tim Farron on 12:24 - May 26 with 1578 views | Dolly2.0 |
| Well said Tim Farron on 12:00 - May 26 by GlasgowBlue |
The only hypocrite here is Corbyn. He has voted against every piece of anti terror legislation ever put forward. He has spent his entire political life making excuses for terrorists who blow up kids in the north of England. |
Just stop Glassers. Desist. Everyone can see what you're doing. Everyone can see what Fallon is doing.
Look at the responses in this thread. |  |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 12:29 - May 26 with 1565 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well said Tim Farron on 12:24 - May 26 by Dolly2.0 |
Just stop Glassers. Desist. Everyone can see what you're doing. Everyone can see what Fallon is doing.
Look at the responses in this thread. |
Farron not Fallon. Two different people.
Care to address this?
http://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/406477/3627640/well-said-tim-farron/#post3627640
I'm genuinely interested in your response.
Edit. I assume you and any of the other Corbyn apologists have zero answer to this. [Post edited 26 May 2017 13:20]
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| Well said Tim Farron on 12:33 - May 26 with 1541 views | homer_123 |
| Well said Tim Farron on 12:22 - May 26 by lowhouseblue |
how do you feel about ukip using Manchester as an opportunity to push an anti-immigration line? is it just that you don't agree with their anti-immigration line, or do you feel it is wrong for them to use this tragedy for their own nasty ends?
what's the difference between that and corbyn? |
Where are UKIP using Manchester in this way?
I followed the Grad coverage of their manifesto and they are suggesting that May take some of the blame.....but I'm not sure I've seen them 'use' Manchester.
Given you state 'own nasty ends' , I'll again point out that this seems more to do with your viewpoint than a wider objective view of the situation. |  |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 12:39 - May 26 with 1527 views | Bogblue |
| Well said Tim Farron on 11:49 - May 26 by homer_123 |
Any person that doesn't think that our foreign policy or interventions abroad won't affect how we are viewed by others, and therefore the negative (and positive) effects and consequences this might have, needs their head testing.
It's not just our current policy but both recent and more historical policies and approaches.
As for timing...I disagree with you, 2 weeks before an election and Corbyn talks about something that any political party needs to talk about (Manchester's tradegy aside), he's quite right to do so. I will also point out that, whether you agree with him or not, he's been far more consistent with these views than most politicians over the years.... |
yes and this is inflammatory imho
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-bomb-raf-photo-with-lo |  | | |
| Well said Tim Farron on 12:40 - May 26 with 1525 views | lowhouseblue |
| Well said Tim Farron on 12:33 - May 26 by homer_123 |
Where are UKIP using Manchester in this way?
I followed the Grad coverage of their manifesto and they are suggesting that May take some of the blame.....but I'm not sure I've seen them 'use' Manchester.
Given you state 'own nasty ends' , I'll again point out that this seems more to do with your viewpoint than a wider objective view of the situation. |
suzanne evans on manchester: "'As I said, I think when 9/11 happened we should have had a serious rethink about immigration, it didn't happen.' She added: 'Frankly, if they're not prepared to stand up and do what needs to be done to keep people safe then they're simply not fit to govern.
yes my viewpoint is that using manchester to push an anti-immigration line is pursuing a nasty end. do you not agree? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 12:42 - May 26 with 1510 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Well said Tim Farron on 11:10 - May 26 by GlasgowBlue |
"in which he couldn't ignore the effect of British Foreign Policy on disaffected Muslim youth here in the context of what's happened"
Corbyn is saying, just 4 days after the Manchester bombing, that it is our fault. He's excusing the scumbag who carried out the attack.
He's also ignoring the point that Islamist terrorism such as 9/11 pre dates "the war on terror".
IS aren't sending people to kill us because of our foreign policy. They are killing us because they hate our liberal and free society.
Our equal rights for women. Our love of music. Our society that sees a man marry a man and a woman marry a woman.
Saying British foreign policy created this animal is like saying our tolerant society created the man who killed Jo Cox.
France sat out the Iraq War. Belgium don't get involved in middle east action. The Germans for obvious reasons take more of a back seat when it comes to military intervention.All have been attacked far more than the UK over the past two years.
It's also worth noting that the Manchester bomber was a supporter of British foreign policy. He was delighted when we overthrew Gaddafi. [Post edited 26 May 2017 11:11]
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"Corbyn is saying, just 4 days after the Manchester bombing, that it is our fault. He's excusing the scumbag who carried out the attack."
Corbyn
"- That assessment in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children. Those terrorists will forever be reviled and held to account for their actions" |  |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 12:46 - May 26 with 1509 views | Superfrans |
| Well said Tim Farron on 12:00 - May 26 by GlasgowBlue |
The only hypocrite here is Corbyn. He has voted against every piece of anti terror legislation ever put forward. He has spent his entire political life making excuses for terrorists who blow up kids in the north of England. |
Do you believe Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser? If so, just say it.
If you don't all you are arguing is that his methods/strategies for tackling terrorism are different from yours.
Which is it? |  |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 12:51 - May 26 with 1491 views | No9 |
| Well said Tim Farron on 11:49 - May 26 by lowhouseblue |
corbyn is not thinking about things in a new way. he is pursuing his line on foreign policy in exactly the way he always has and he is opportunistically using the events in manchester. corbyn opposes uk foreign policy - the fact that we are fighting isis makes no difference to him. there have been barbaric attacks in france, germany, belgium, scandinavia etc but corbyn just sees the latest attack as a chance to lay into uk foreign policy. he is no different from ukip or the muslim haters who also use such tragedies to push their own agenda. |
UK foreign policy has been a total mess since 2010.
If you think differently then you have not been paying attention.
IN addition the Home Office has been run by less than capable people both desreve criticism and should be a subject of debate during a GE | | | |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 12:55 - May 26 with 1483 views | ElderGrizzly |
There is huge frustration within the FCO and Security Services over the amount of times new laws that would have helped them fight terrorism have been blocked, going all the way back to 2005.
Corbyn (as well as a lot of Lib Dems) have consistently voted against these new powers that would help surveillance and might have helped keep people like the attacker in Manchester under closer scrutiny, or even potentially in jail.
Corbyn is right to say a lot of what he has said today, but he isn't the man to say it given his voting actions in the past. |  | | |
| Well said Tim Farron on 12:57 - May 26 with 1476 views | No9 |
| Well said Tim Farron on 12:55 - May 26 by ElderGrizzly |
There is huge frustration within the FCO and Security Services over the amount of times new laws that would have helped them fight terrorism have been blocked, going all the way back to 2005.
Corbyn (as well as a lot of Lib Dems) have consistently voted against these new powers that would help surveillance and might have helped keep people like the attacker in Manchester under closer scrutiny, or even potentially in jail.
Corbyn is right to say a lot of what he has said today, but he isn't the man to say it given his voting actions in the past. |
What do they think about Cameron not putting his proposals in front of parliament? | | | |
| Well said Tim Farron on 13:01 - May 26 with 1457 views | feelingblue |
| Well said Tim Farron on 12:51 - May 26 by No9 |
UK foreign policy has been a total mess since 2010.
If you think differently then you have not been paying attention.
IN addition the Home Office has been run by less than capable people both desreve criticism and should be a subject of debate during a GE |
Since 2010? When has it not been a mess, in our lifetime? |  | | |
| Well said Tim Farron on 13:13 - May 26 with 1434 views | Gromheort |
| Well said Tim Farron on 12:55 - May 26 by ElderGrizzly |
There is huge frustration within the FCO and Security Services over the amount of times new laws that would have helped them fight terrorism have been blocked, going all the way back to 2005.
Corbyn (as well as a lot of Lib Dems) have consistently voted against these new powers that would help surveillance and might have helped keep people like the attacker in Manchester under closer scrutiny, or even potentially in jail.
Corbyn is right to say a lot of what he has said today, but he isn't the man to say it given his voting actions in the past. |
More surveillance powers needed? Crikey, we're already in trouble on that score. Snowden put it well after one of the last '"whatever you want" laws: “The UK has just legalised the most extreme surveillance in the history of western democracy. It goes further than many autocracies.” |  | | |
| Well said Tim Farron on 13:16 - May 26 with 1423 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well said Tim Farron on 12:46 - May 26 by Superfrans |
Do you believe Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser? If so, just say it.
If you don't all you are arguing is that his methods/strategies for tackling terrorism are different from yours.
Which is it? |
I have said that in the past his sympathy has been with the terrorists. | |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 13:18 - May 26 with 1416 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well said Tim Farron on 12:42 - May 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
GB
"Corbyn is saying, just 4 days after the Manchester bombing, that it is our fault. He's excusing the scumbag who carried out the attack."
Corbyn
"- That assessment in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children. Those terrorists will forever be reviled and held to account for their actions" |
......but
There is always a but with Jezza.
And he is completely wrong.
IS in their own words.
"We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices. Furthermore, just as your disbelief is the primary reason we hate you, your disbelief is the primary reason we fight you, as we have been commanded to fight the disbelievers until they submit to the authority of Islam, either by becoming Muslims, or by living in humiliation under the rule of the Muslims.
We hate you because your secular, liberal societies permit the very things that Allah has prohibited. We have made it our mission to fight off your influence and protect mankind from your misguided concepts and your deviant way of life.
What’s important to understand here is that although some might argue that your foreign policies are the extent of what drives our hatred, this particular reason for hating you is secondary. The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam. | |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 13:20 - May 26 with 1398 views | Archer4721 |
| Well said Tim Farron on 13:16 - May 26 by GlasgowBlue |
I have said that in the past his sympathy has been with the terrorists. |
What about Saudi Arabia who we cosy up to?
Aren't they "terrorists?" |  | | |
| Well said Tim Farron on 13:20 - May 26 with 1404 views | DanTheMan |
| Well said Tim Farron on 13:18 - May 26 by GlasgowBlue |
......but
There is always a but with Jezza.
And he is completely wrong.
IS in their own words.
"We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices. Furthermore, just as your disbelief is the primary reason we hate you, your disbelief is the primary reason we fight you, as we have been commanded to fight the disbelievers until they submit to the authority of Islam, either by becoming Muslims, or by living in humiliation under the rule of the Muslims.
We hate you because your secular, liberal societies permit the very things that Allah has prohibited. We have made it our mission to fight off your influence and protect mankind from your misguided concepts and your deviant way of life.
What’s important to understand here is that although some might argue that your foreign policies are the extent of what drives our hatred, this particular reason for hating you is secondary. The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam. |
Didn't that come from their propoganda magazine? Of course they'd say that. |  |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 13:21 - May 26 with 1400 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Well said Tim Farron on 13:13 - May 26 by Gromheort |
More surveillance powers needed? Crikey, we're already in trouble on that score. Snowden put it well after one of the last '"whatever you want" laws: “The UK has just legalised the most extreme surveillance in the history of western democracy. It goes further than many autocracies.” |
Sadly yes and it isn't enough right now.
If you want people to do a job , you need to give them the tools to do it. Right now, our hands are tied more than they need to be in the opinion of many.
It's not just about surveillance, it goes much wider than that. | | | |
| Well said Tim Farron on 13:22 - May 26 with 1394 views | Gromheort |
| Well said Tim Farron on 13:21 - May 26 by ElderGrizzly |
Sadly yes and it isn't enough right now.
If you want people to do a job , you need to give them the tools to do it. Right now, our hands are tied more than they need to be in the opinion of many.
It's not just about surveillance, it goes much wider than that. |
You can of course fight terrorism by attacking human rights and enabling government repression. It is not a price worth paying. | | | |
| Well said Tim Farron on 13:24 - May 26 with 1384 views | Superfrans |
| Well said Tim Farron on 12:55 - May 26 by ElderGrizzly |
There is huge frustration within the FCO and Security Services over the amount of times new laws that would have helped them fight terrorism have been blocked, going all the way back to 2005.
Corbyn (as well as a lot of Lib Dems) have consistently voted against these new powers that would help surveillance and might have helped keep people like the attacker in Manchester under closer scrutiny, or even potentially in jail.
Corbyn is right to say a lot of what he has said today, but he isn't the man to say it given his voting actions in the past. |
Being right about one thing (as you say, a lot of what he has said today) but wrong about the other (potentially the new powers you mention) doesn't make his first points more false. | |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 13:25 - May 26 with 1377 views | feelingblue |
| Well said Tim Farron on 13:22 - May 26 by Gromheort |
You can of course fight terrorism by attacking human rights and enabling government repression. It is not a price worth paying. |
At what level of surveillance does the price become not worth paying? | | | |
| Well said Tim Farron on 13:25 - May 26 with 1376 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well said Tim Farron on 13:20 - May 26 by DanTheMan |
Didn't that come from their propoganda magazine? Of course they'd say that. |
They say it all the time.
The foiled attacks on the Ministry of Sound nightclub: "no one could turn round and say oh they are innocent, those slags dancing around”.
The foiled attacks on Birmingham nightclubs: ‘the kuffar, slags and whores go drinking and clubbing’ and ‘have sex like donkeys’.
They tell us enough yet we still keep asking why? | |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 13:25 - May 26 with 1376 views | Superfrans |
| Well said Tim Farron on 13:16 - May 26 by GlasgowBlue |
I have said that in the past his sympathy has been with the terrorists. |
So, you think he is a terrorist sympathiser.
Okay then... | |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 13:25 - May 26 with 1373 views | BOjK |
I thought you were of the opinion that now isn't the time to be talking about this. |  |
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