| Well said Tim Farron on 14:14 - May 26 with 2874 views | PortmanRoadLibrary |
| Well said Tim Farron on 14:00 - May 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Nice swerve. Before Gav messed up the board I had already said that now Corbyn has decided to politicise the Manchester bombing then is past record is fair game to scrutinise in the context of recent events. |
Utterly predictable mock outrage from the tory fraternity, who appear to be in full panic mode. Suggest you read the speech in its entirety, before lifting soundbites from the Daily Telegraph. |  | |  |
| Well said Tim Farron on 14:17 - May 26 with 2865 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
You also said ending stop and search won't increase knife crime. That's going well isn't it? |  | | |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 14:17 - May 26 by FrowsyArmLarry |
You also said ending stop and search won't increase knife crime. That's going well isn't it? |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 14:28 - May 26 with 2841 views | bluelagos |
Glassers (and TWTD) spends the whole day talking about Corbyn and his (alleged) terrorist sympathies.
Meanwhile the Tory u-turn on the care spending, the latest economic data and the Tories proposed tax hikes are all left undiscussed.
Diversion at it's best, he's brilliant at it.
Come on guys, you're all playing straight into his hands imho. [Post edited 26 May 2017 14:33]
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| Well said Tim Farron on 14:28 - May 26 by bluelagos |
Glassers (and TWTD) spends the whole day talking about Corbyn and his (alleged) terrorist sympathies.
Meanwhile the Tory u-turn on the care spending, the latest economic data and the Tories proposed tax hikes are all left undiscussed.
Diversion at it's best, he's brilliant at it.
Come on guys, you're all playing straight into his hands imho. [Post edited 26 May 2017 14:33]
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| Well said Tim Farron on 14:31 - May 26 with 2802 views | No9 |
| Well said Tim Farron on 14:17 - May 26 by FrowsyArmLarry |
You also said ending stop and search won't increase knife crime. That's going well isn't it? |
How do you stop & search when you don't have any coppers? | | | |
| Well said Tim Farron on 14:32 - May 26 with 2792 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well said Tim Farron on 14:28 - May 26 by bluelagos |
Glassers (and TWTD) spends the whole day talking about Corbyn and his (alleged) terrorist sympathies.
Meanwhile the Tory u-turn on the care spending, the latest economic data and the Tories proposed tax hikes are all left undiscussed.
Diversion at it's best, he's brilliant at it.
Come on guys, you're all playing straight into his hands imho. [Post edited 26 May 2017 14:33]
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Perhaps the hypocrite Corbyn should have attacked the Tories on the issues you have raised then.
I'm sorry you feel that pointing out a man's record of continually excusing, supporting and honouring terrorists is a diversion tactic. |  |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 14:36 - May 26 with 2776 views | footers |
| Well said Tim Farron on 14:32 - May 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Perhaps the hypocrite Corbyn should have attacked the Tories on the issues you have raised then.
I'm sorry you feel that pointing out a man's record of continually excusing, supporting and honouring terrorists is a diversion tactic. |
Why won't you address the point of the government supporting Saudi Arabia? Surely funding Wahabbism is worse than anything Corbyn has ever said or done.
Oh and look, May wants to create dialogue with them... now where have I heard that before?
"So rather than just standing on the sidelines and sniping, it's important to engage, to talk to people, to talk about our interests and to raise, yes, difficult issues when we feel it's necessary to do so." [Post edited 26 May 2017 14:38]
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| Well said Tim Farron on 14:40 - May 26 with 2763 views | Dolly2.0 |
His name was auto corrected by my phone.
Instead of giving me an essay to answer (which goes over the same old tired points you've made and I've answered countless times) why don't you answer my point first?
Namely that Farron is using this to score political points, as are you, which is breathtaking hypocrisy.
As others have said, Corbyn was scheduled to make this speech, it's stuff he's been saying for years, none of it was disrespectful, and he makes some good, salient, logical points.
You and Farron are using it for political point scoring, not Corbyn. |  |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 14:41 - May 26 with 2760 views | No9 |
| Well said Tim Farron on 14:32 - May 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Perhaps the hypocrite Corbyn should have attacked the Tories on the issues you have raised then.
I'm sorry you feel that pointing out a man's record of continually excusing, supporting and honouring terrorists is a diversion tactic. |
I believe we are still waiting for you to deal with the Ayan Asfari question
You have never adequatley dealt with the tories Foreign Policy of supplying personnel and arms to Saudi Arabia
You are still not able to come to terms with he fact that what Cameron did in Libya may well have a bearing on this terrible matter -
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/libya-david-cameron-isis-islamic-s
It is claimed the Lybians warned what was happening
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/24/libyans-in-uk-warned-about-manch
Far from being a tw@t Mr Corbyn is right, the UK does need to look (very closely) at it's Foreign Policy & I would suggest what the incompetents in the Homw Office have been doing for the past 7 years or so. | | | |
| Well said Tim Farron on 14:42 - May 26 with 2752 views | giant_stow |
| Well said Tim Farron on 14:28 - May 26 by bluelagos |
Glassers (and TWTD) spends the whole day talking about Corbyn and his (alleged) terrorist sympathies.
Meanwhile the Tory u-turn on the care spending, the latest economic data and the Tories proposed tax hikes are all left undiscussed.
Diversion at it's best, he's brilliant at it.
Come on guys, you're all playing straight into his hands imho. [Post edited 26 May 2017 14:33]
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At risk of being called Glasgow's little bitch, he didn't set today's agenda - Jezz did. See the Guardian for proof. |  |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 15:01 - May 26 with 2713 views | lowhouseblue |
| Well said Tim Farron on 14:40 - May 26 by Dolly2.0 |
His name was auto corrected by my phone.
Instead of giving me an essay to answer (which goes over the same old tired points you've made and I've answered countless times) why don't you answer my point first?
Namely that Farron is using this to score political points, as are you, which is breathtaking hypocrisy.
As others have said, Corbyn was scheduled to make this speech, it's stuff he's been saying for years, none of it was disrespectful, and he makes some good, salient, logical points.
You and Farron are using it for political point scoring, not Corbyn. |
farron is criticising what corbyn said. if challenging an opponent is 'scoring political points' then there is little that politicians say which wouldn't fall into that category. suggesting that farron instigated this suggests that your grasp of causation is just as muddled as corbyn's link between foreign policy and terrorism. |  |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 15:08 - May 26 with 2686 views | No9 |
| Well said Tim Farron on 15:01 - May 26 by lowhouseblue |
farron is criticising what corbyn said. if challenging an opponent is 'scoring political points' then there is little that politicians say which wouldn't fall into that category. suggesting that farron instigated this suggests that your grasp of causation is just as muddled as corbyn's link between foreign policy and terrorism. |
Farron is a politician criticising an opposing politician during a general election, that is what policitians do.
The link between foreign policy and terrorism has been made many times and for a long while including some from the tory media and tory politicians / politico's, it isn't new.
I hav eposted a few things on this thread that should make anyoe with an open mind sit up and ask questions about foreign policy particularly over the last 7 years and the links to big business and why a Trade Ambassador & hs wife are giving large sums of money to the tories when they are under inverstigation by the SFO.
You seem tied into one dimensional thinking? | | | |
| Well said Tim Farron on 15:08 - May 26 with 2686 views | Dolly2.0 |
| Well said Tim Farron on 15:01 - May 26 by lowhouseblue |
farron is criticising what corbyn said. if challenging an opponent is 'scoring political points' then there is little that politicians say which wouldn't fall into that category. suggesting that farron instigated this suggests that your grasp of causation is just as muddled as corbyn's link between foreign policy and terrorism. |
Why is it Corbyn is just scoring political points but Farron (and Glassers on here) aren't?
Do you think now is not the right time to discuss how to minimise terrorism? | |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 15:10 - May 26 with 2679 views | No9 |
| Well said Tim Farron on 15:08 - May 26 by Dolly2.0 |
Why is it Corbyn is just scoring political points but Farron (and Glassers on here) aren't?
Do you think now is not the right time to discuss how to minimise terrorism? |
It is only the right time when the tory politico's decide it is the right time.
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| Well said Tim Farron on 15:13 - May 26 with 2671 views | gordon |
I don't see any value in trying to shut down discussion. What Corbyn said was fairly mundane and uncontroversial (from the headlines, not heard the whole thing).
The response of the likes of Boris Johnson and Farron, trying to stifle debate and shut down ideas is pretty awful in my opinion. I don't think they necessarily reflect the mood of the country either.
It's critically important that as a country we're prepared to have an open and frank debate about what's happening, and listen to different perspectives and hypotheses.
For what it's worth, I'm not convinced that if Labour was in charge of UK foreign Policy the threat of terrorism would recede, but I do feel very strongly that it's through listening and engaging with different points of view rather than shutting them down we can build a consensus and hopefully move forward in a positive way. [Post edited 26 May 2017 15:15]
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| Well said Tim Farron on 15:19 - May 26 with 2654 views | lowhouseblue |
| Well said Tim Farron on 15:08 - May 26 by Dolly2.0 |
Why is it Corbyn is just scoring political points but Farron (and Glassers on here) aren't?
Do you think now is not the right time to discuss how to minimise terrorism? |
it is wrong to suggest that Islamic terrorism is a response to the west's foreign policy. that terrorism predates 9/11. attempted terrorist attacks from Al-Qaeda dated back to the 1990s, before British military actions had been undertaken: lord west former labour security minister:
"One was a car bomb attack in 1997 which we stopped luckily before it happened. Another was the poisoning of north London water supplies which would've killed over 100,000 people... These were happening way before 9/11 and of course 9/11 happened before we entered Afghanistan, ... The only thing we were doing abroad - and our soldiers were dying - was to stop the genocide of Bosnian Muslims... It's all very fine Jeremy Corbyn saying he's going to assure our troops that they'll only go somewhere where there's a plan [but] to say that this will deliver lasting peace... Let's not have platitudes."
I don't know about point scoring, but corbyn is cynically using the attack in manchester to promote his campaign against uk, us and west european foreign policy. | |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 15:24 - May 26 with 2637 views | footers |
| Well said Tim Farron on 15:19 - May 26 by lowhouseblue |
it is wrong to suggest that Islamic terrorism is a response to the west's foreign policy. that terrorism predates 9/11. attempted terrorist attacks from Al-Qaeda dated back to the 1990s, before British military actions had been undertaken: lord west former labour security minister:
"One was a car bomb attack in 1997 which we stopped luckily before it happened. Another was the poisoning of north London water supplies which would've killed over 100,000 people... These were happening way before 9/11 and of course 9/11 happened before we entered Afghanistan, ... The only thing we were doing abroad - and our soldiers were dying - was to stop the genocide of Bosnian Muslims... It's all very fine Jeremy Corbyn saying he's going to assure our troops that they'll only go somewhere where there's a plan [but] to say that this will deliver lasting peace... Let's not have platitudes."
I don't know about point scoring, but corbyn is cynically using the attack in manchester to promote his campaign against uk, us and west european foreign policy. |
Think you're missing the first Gulf War there, mate. So no, it's not wrong to suggest it at all. | |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 15:26 - May 26 with 2633 views | J2BLUE |
Been out and can't be bothered to read the thread but Corbyn has done nothing wrong. Farron is the one trying to score points off this. |  |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 15:27 - May 26 with 2631 views | gordon |
| Well said Tim Farron on 15:19 - May 26 by lowhouseblue |
it is wrong to suggest that Islamic terrorism is a response to the west's foreign policy. that terrorism predates 9/11. attempted terrorist attacks from Al-Qaeda dated back to the 1990s, before British military actions had been undertaken: lord west former labour security minister:
"One was a car bomb attack in 1997 which we stopped luckily before it happened. Another was the poisoning of north London water supplies which would've killed over 100,000 people... These were happening way before 9/11 and of course 9/11 happened before we entered Afghanistan, ... The only thing we were doing abroad - and our soldiers were dying - was to stop the genocide of Bosnian Muslims... It's all very fine Jeremy Corbyn saying he's going to assure our troops that they'll only go somewhere where there's a plan [but] to say that this will deliver lasting peace... Let's not have platitudes."
I don't know about point scoring, but corbyn is cynically using the attack in manchester to promote his campaign against uk, us and west european foreign policy. |
Whether or not Islamic terrorism is a response to the West's foreign policy or not, this post neither proves nor disproves the hypothesis - foreign intervention by the West in Muslim countries also predates 9/11 and the events cited by quite a few years! | | | |
| Well said Tim Farron on 15:34 - May 26 with 2620 views | caught-in-limbo |
No wonder you agree with him: like you, he applies the same accusation of political point scoring during a tragedy while slipping in a bit of political point scoring. |  |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 15:35 - May 26 with 2618 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Well said Tim Farron on 14:31 - May 26 by No9 |
How do you stop & search when you don't have any coppers? |
So the met doesn't exist any more? Go back to sleep | | | |
| Well said Tim Farron on 15:36 - May 26 with 2616 views | lowhouseblue |
| Well said Tim Farron on 15:27 - May 26 by gordon |
Whether or not Islamic terrorism is a response to the West's foreign policy or not, this post neither proves nor disproves the hypothesis - foreign intervention by the West in Muslim countries also predates 9/11 and the events cited by quite a few years! |
yes and doubtless foreign policy has taken different forms. trying to suggest that foreign policy has led to terrorism is simplistic and misleading and misrepresents the terrorists. corbyn is concerned with rubbishing uk foreign policy rather than being concerned with defeating terrorism. | |
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| Well said Tim Farron on 15:37 - May 26 with 2609 views | giant_stow |
| Well said Tim Farron on 15:27 - May 26 by gordon |
Whether or not Islamic terrorism is a response to the West's foreign policy or not, this post neither proves nor disproves the hypothesis - foreign intervention by the West in Muslim countries also predates 9/11 and the events cited by quite a few years! |
Instead of looking at the history of all this, how about we have a best guess at the future? In a scenario where we pull out of all conflicts everywhere, does anyone think that would stop isis from attacking us? | |
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