| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. 13:09 - May 26 with 7987 views | Darth_Koont |
The foreign policy aspect will grab the headlines but that's just part of it as he believes there's clearly a need to tackle the problem at home too and see what we can do better.
Not sure how people can see any of this as controversial - in fact it makes up much of what the G7 are talking about today. |  |
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| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 15:13 - May 26 with 2523 views | Darth_Koont |
I can imagine ... I have a customer involved in this area and they're pretty frustrated by the Home Office. | |
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| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 15:19 - May 26 with 2503 views | Darth_Koont |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 15:12 - May 26 by meekreech |
How can anyone take this clown seriously ? For him to ever speak about terrorism is the height of hypocracy considering his relationship with the irish terrorists , the arab terrorists and his support for Putin and his treatment of any country that stands up to him ! |
What's your approach? More bombs and guns? Shall we shoot some sense into people who are willing to die for their beliefs however screwed up those are?
We need to start dismantling the underlying causes that make recruitment so easy.
Like the US recently targeting 2 snipers and killing 100+ civilians ... if that's seen as the war on terror working or the collateral damage that iwe can tolerate, then we're just making things worse for everybody. | |
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| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 15:30 - May 26 with 2482 views | baxterbasics |
Hang on, so how does Corbyn explain the attacks in Sweden, Belgium, France and Germany? |  |
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| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 15:42 - May 26 with 2473 views | Darth_Koont |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 15:30 - May 26 by baxterbasics |
Hang on, so how does Corbyn explain the attacks in Sweden, Belgium, France and Germany? |
All part of the "West" with direct and indirect support for interventions.
You can't wage a war against extremism based on direct cause and effect and any real precision. That's half the problem with our willingness to get involved militarily - seems to be a very outdated approach to a very modern type of war.
And perhaps as ultimately failed as the Vietnam war was for the French and the Americans because they simply couldn't deal with the enemy on their own terms. | |
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| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 15:43 - May 26 with 2472 views | Kitman |
ISIS wants to DESTROY the west. It makes no difference if a country attacks their region or not. What is it in this that is so difficult for that idiot that leads Labour to understand? |  |
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| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 15:43 - May 26 by Kitman |
ISIS wants to DESTROY the west. It makes no difference if a country attacks their region or not. What is it in this that is so difficult for that idiot that leads Labour to understand? |
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| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 16:02 - May 26 with 2455 views | BlueNomad |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 13:20 - May 26 by crunchie1978 |
Vote for him and I'm sure he can call on his good friend Gerry Adams if he needs any foreign policy advice. |
Is that the same Gerry Adams who was a senior figure in the organisation Thatcher said she would never talk to but was doing it in secret? [Post edited 26 May 2017 16:08]
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| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 16:15 - May 26 with 2442 views | Darth_Koont |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 15:43 - May 26 by Kitman |
ISIS wants to DESTROY the west. It makes no difference if a country attacks their region or not. What is it in this that is so difficult for that idiot that leads Labour to understand? |
It's clearly not IS themselves that we're trying to appease. But anything that helps reduce the flow of recruits, extremist sympathisers and money is a good thing.
And attacking the region does make a pretty big difference if by invading Iraq and destabilizing Syria you create a power base for your enemy. | |
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| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 16:22 - May 26 with 2432 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 16:15 - May 26 by Darth_Koont |
It's clearly not IS themselves that we're trying to appease. But anything that helps reduce the flow of recruits, extremist sympathisers and money is a good thing.
And attacking the region does make a pretty big difference if by invading Iraq and destabilizing Syria you create a power base for your enemy. |
So you blame the west for the situation in Syria? Very CiL. |  | | |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 16:28 - May 26 with 2424 views | Darth_Koont |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 16:22 - May 26 by FrowsyArmLarry |
So you blame the west for the situation in Syria? Very CiL. |
No. It's more complicated than that, as is our role.
But we do have a tendency to flex our military might when in doubt, and we rarely seem to be a stabilizing force which is surely the most important goal. | |
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| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 16:55 - May 26 with 2390 views | noggin |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 15:30 - May 26 by baxterbasics |
Hang on, so how does Corbyn explain the attacks in Sweden, Belgium, France and Germany? |
NATO? |  |
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| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 16:55 - May 26 with 2389 views | Gromheort |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 15:43 - May 26 by Kitman |
ISIS wants to DESTROY the west. It makes no difference if a country attacks their region or not. What is it in this that is so difficult for that idiot that leads Labour to understand? |
The empirical evidence does indicate that terrorism and foreign policy are inherently linked. Savun and Phillips, for example, concluded: "States that adopt more active foreign policies...are likely to foment some sort of resentment among foreign groups and, hence, may be the target of terrorism by these aggrieved groups" |  | | |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:20 - May 26 with 2364 views | crunchie1978 |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 15:19 - May 26 by Darth_Koont |
What's your approach? More bombs and guns? Shall we shoot some sense into people who are willing to die for their beliefs however screwed up those are?
We need to start dismantling the underlying causes that make recruitment so easy.
Like the US recently targeting 2 snipers and killing 100+ civilians ... if that's seen as the war on terror working or the collateral damage that iwe can tolerate, then we're just making things worse for everybody. |
These people are being harboured within their own communities...and something drastic needs to be done...untill a politician is strong enough to stand up and say this in public I'm afraid our young children will countiune to keep being a target. | | | |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:22 - May 26 with 2357 views | noggin |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:20 - May 26 by crunchie1978 |
These people are being harboured within their own communities...and something drastic needs to be done...untill a politician is strong enough to stand up and say this in public I'm afraid our young children will countiune to keep being a target. |
Being harboured? You mean using civilians as shields, by force. | |
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| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:24 - May 26 with 2350 views | jas0999 |
As always, depends if you are a Labour, Lib Dem or Tory supporter! | | | |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:25 - May 26 with 2346 views | crunchie1978 |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:22 - May 26 by noggin |
Being harboured? You mean using civilians as shields, by force. |
No not at all...these people were known to have radical views within their own communities yet them communities choses to do nothing about it...it was the same in the Belgium suburbs after their attacks. | | | |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:27 - May 26 with 2339 views | crunchie1978 |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:22 - May 26 by noggin |
Being harboured? You mean using civilians as shields, by force. |
Sorry I meant in this country not abroad | | | |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:30 - May 26 with 2330 views | noggin |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:25 - May 26 by crunchie1978 |
No not at all...these people were known to have radical views within their own communities yet them communities choses to do nothing about it...it was the same in the Belgium suburbs after their attacks. |
Apologies, I was talking about Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq etc, where civilians are being killed in NATO air strikes. | |
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| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:31 - May 26 with 2328 views | Gromheort |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:24 - May 26 by jas0999 |
As always, depends if you are a Labour, Lib Dem or Tory supporter! |
Politician wise? Yep. However, Corbyn has the evidence on his side. You don't have to be a Corbyn supporter to see that | | | |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:39 - May 26 with 2322 views | crunchie1978 |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:30 - May 26 by noggin |
Apologies, I was talking about Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq etc, where civilians are being killed in NATO air strikes. |
Yes that tragic....but id like to be able to let my 2 children go to a music concert knowing they'll come home...forgive me if you think I'm being calous but what happens there is there problem not mine. | | | |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:42 - May 26 with 2317 views | Darth_Koont |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:39 - May 26 by crunchie1978 |
Yes that tragic....but id like to be able to let my 2 children go to a music concert knowing they'll come home...forgive me if you think I'm being calous but what happens there is there problem not mine. |
I assure you it's our problem. These actions (some good, some bad) are being carried out in our name - and they definitely impact domestic terrorism. | |
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| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 18:00 - May 26 with 2285 views | crunchie1978 |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 17:42 - May 26 by Darth_Koont |
I assure you it's our problem. These actions (some good, some bad) are being carried out in our name - and they definitely impact domestic terrorism. |
In a way I'm sure they do...but we need to start sorting out what's closer to home to prevent these actions happening...but I'm afraid as long as the "pc" wall is up nothing will happen and these atrocities will continue. | | | |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 18:21 - May 26 with 2273 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 16:28 - May 26 by Darth_Koont |
No. It's more complicated than that, as is our role.
But we do have a tendency to flex our military might when in doubt, and we rarely seem to be a stabilizing force which is surely the most important goal. |
Lessons need to be learned for sure but, in the example of Libya, I'm sure most people thought we were doing the right thing.
I just don't trust Corbyn to deliver on anything really. This is the man who has stated that he won't use nuclear weapons in retaliation to any attack. That proves he's an egotistical fool of the highest order. Fair enough you won't use them but that's not enough for this tw@t.... he want's everyone to know it now and is more worried about what people think of him than any effect that might have. | | | |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 18:51 - May 26 with 2205 views | manchego |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_linked_to_ISIL
Look at the map. They kill all over the world. They particularly like killing the 'wrong' muslims.
Corbyn is a fool. He, like so many others, is too stupid or scared to blame their religion.
The ISIS statement after Paris was the usual menu of excuses referring to God, Mohammed, Holy Land, adulterers, apostates, unbelievers, pornographers, cartoons ...
mocking France as a “capital of prostitution and obscenity,”
but no, it's our fault and nothing to do with religion. |  | | |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 18:53 - May 26 with 2199 views | Darth_Koont |
| Good speech by Corbyn re: terrorism. on 18:00 - May 26 by crunchie1978 |
In a way I'm sure they do...but we need to start sorting out what's closer to home to prevent these actions happening...but I'm afraid as long as the "pc" wall is up nothing will happen and these atrocities will continue. |
I'd argue it's the non-PC, throwing our weight around as if we've still got an empire that's the biggest threat to our domestic peace.
In the UK we see a glorious past we want to continue. Ask a Kurd/Arab/Insert Ethnic Group what they think about our past and our current approach. | |
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