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I’ll take a knee and some time off the site. Maybe forever. Almost certainly forever.
I’ve supported the club for 45 years. Man and boy. But don’t want my opinions to spoil the enjoyment of others on the forum. Phil does an amazing job and don’t want to put him in a difficult position either.., it’s hard enough on here.
I will say the bullying, the hate, and the ‘one view or be destroyed’ tribalism on here at times is frankly pathetic…, the same people complaining about online hate, desperate to indulge in online hate. It’s interesting.
Their egos not capable of processing they could be wrong about McKenna, and don’t worry, you don’t know who you are, because there’s almost zero self awareness.
I only stated my opinion, based on facts…, I’ve a huge amount of time for KM, less so Mark Ashton, and KM sadly in context is the architect of his own downfall.
You can’t leverage so much investment, deliver so little with it, and still be a young manager needing patience, sadly, that’s not how football works today. We aren’t good relative to our investment, that’s doesn’t seem like conjecture anymore. Results sadly don’t lie. But the messenger has to be destroyed, it’s predictable, easier for many than dealing with the facts in front of us.
To those desperate to create an echo chamber…, with no alternative voices, that feels warm, safe, comforting, and makes you feel good about what may or may not be true.
You win.
Fingers crossed for promotion, I’d like new owners with real football oversight, that’s where the issues really are, we deserve to be established in the premier league, and I’ll never apologise for wanting that. I don’t see us as league one, I never will, we (almost) never have been. We DO deserve people not to hide behind that brief period, like it’s a shield to scrutiny.
And to my ‘many’ haters, good luck.
You won’t get the right answers by never listening, or exploring alternative views.
But ignorance is bliss…, you might be in a happy place.., and maybe that’s all that counts.., so enjoy that and good luck. And I hope you’re all right about Ashton being world class, I really do, that would be amazing.
UPPA TOWN
Right .., Ian Marshall Wig, check, Romeo Zondernan Fisons shirt and a copy of Mick Mcgivens guide to defensive shape …, and they said pretending to be an Ipswich fan would be cheap. Pfft.
Enjoy the ride chaps.
When I buy the club…, none of you will be banned, but some will be made to watch Mark Ashton play 5 aside in his Cyril Regis shirt.., just saying.
Hmmm ok I’ll engage.., according to transfer market.., the league one squad, at the point we got promoted was worth probably more than we are now. That’s just how their metrics work, status of being at that level has a huge value.
Of course in the real world it’s a little different you need an actual buyer.
SO
Muric, OShea, Greaves, Ogbenne, Walle, Sammie, McAteer, Clarke, Philogene, Hirst, Furlong, Kipre and many many more:
I’m sure we agree no premier league side is wanting any of them.
Maybe Leif is the only player that level would look at. In a different system perhaps to us.
So we’re selling to championship sides if we could even get rid of them .., and some we obviously could sell, very good at this level.
But do we have a single asset out of the ones we signed. Worth even what we paid?
Maybe Jack. And you said our assets are more than our liabilities.
They aren’t.
Players aren’t even assets .. they’re booked at purchase price minus contract length - because at that point they are worthless.
Our liabilities are significant, and not understating that, and Ashton not wanting you to understand it; that’s the real issue.
Ask Mark what our financial position is without promotion.
It’s grim. After next season it’s a serious issue:
It's quite common to have a few player trading type players with some behind that are team fillers that cost a bit but don't go on to be sold for more, many players move on without actually selling for more than you purchased them for, especially when they go into the final years of their contracts
In our current squad, i see the following as player trading types where we can make profit on future sales
Jack Clarke Philogene Egeli mcateer ( Depending on how KM manages to develop him) Matusiwa - although not young, still many years ahead and a prime DM once experiences more of english football, i do think he'll be a prem target in the summer Davis - if he ends up leaving as we purchased for so little Mendel - potential, if he doesn't do it here, he will elsewhere boniface - massive potential barbrook - maybe not here, but elsewhere taylor - purchased fairly low, will defo bring in more
There's lots of profit to be made to look after the books in the future
It's starting to look an awful lot like you started this thread to get yourself attention rather than because you are actually leaving the forum, mate.
Relegation? Worst season for points ever? Ashton had never been elite? Mid table in the championship? Money spent?
That aren’t easy facts to dispute.
Which is probably why you take the low road and destroy the messenger.
So which ones are twisted? £200 million spent is the lower side of what we’ve invested.., I don’t know McKennas contract.., suspect £5 million reported isn’t quite accurate, which is why I say reported.
It doesn’t matter if it’s £5 million of £4 million..; the point is he’s one of the best paid managers in Europe, at a point we’d never kicked a ball under him at an elite level.., and it don’t go well; and was always a really muddy decision and lazy.
Can’t argue he’s paid more than most truely world class managers though, because he is.
BBC and ALL media sources report he’s still paid more than 80% of premier league managers, they know better than me .
And you.
"I don’t know McKennas contract... Can’t argue he’s paid more than most truely world class managers though, because he is."
I really don't like all this 'ban him' rhetoric. If you don't like what someone says so much that it distressess you, click on the ignore button, it's what it's for.
It's starting to look an awful lot like you started this thread to get yourself attention rather than because you are actually leaving the forum, mate.
Exactly this - if people go to the trouble of informing others that they are leaving why can’t they just leave? If someone can’t even ‘f**k off’ properly, I don’t really have much faith in their arguments.
Complete amateur.
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51 years old.....? on 11:46 - Oct 30 with 833 views
I’ve never had my views challenged, that I’ve seen, genuinely.
Over £200 million spent Worst season in our history Mid table and no better than under Evans (results wise) Ashton 35 years of not being elite Muddled recruitment Record salary for a manger, and at champions league levels
They aren’t easy narratives to argue against
You can argue with the conclusion they mean Ashton and or McKenna aren’t good enough.., but not the workings out.., they’re all measures. All of them.
That’s why people resort to personal attacks instead.., defending tribe.., because defending the above is actually an increasingly big challenge.
Attack the messenger.., destroy him.., if nobody says it.., it can’t possibly be true.
But what if the conclusion IS true.
Might not be btw - never said I had a monopoly on how things play out.
Just the opinions of a 51 year old ‘bloke’ .., but my record is excellent, not always right, but I’d always back my views, because they tend to be considered and take a while to formulate.
I didn’t post on here for decades. Posting was a mistake. So I do make them.
It’s SO tribal, so full of group think and fragile egos, on all side of debates.., if warm one dimensional validation is what works best on here.., I’m fine with that.
It won’t help work out what’s the best direction for the club.., but seeing as none of us control that, maybe that doesn’t matter.
The people on here doing politics, they do the football the same way.., destroying their own tribe to protect their fragile egos.
Anyone can have any opinion.., but evidence it.
Ashton and McKenna are elite and world class .
Show your workings. I don’t think any EFL promotion meets the world class criteria, and you do need to be world class to have even a small chance of EPL success.
....genuinely had you down for under 18 or over 65.
Strange innit.
"Yeah I think you’re right, yet again….” - TWTD User (Oct 2025)
As a relatively new regular poster on here I will say one thing, the ‘one view or be destroyed’ comment is actually pretty true from my early observations, people have to be allowed to question Mckenna if they choose without fear of the "pack" descending on them.
Exactly this - if people go to the trouble of informing others that they are leaving why can’t they just leave? If someone can’t even ‘f**k off’ properly, I don’t really have much faith in their arguments.
Complete amateur.
Several people have expressed genuine concern over his health and wellbeing.
It seems to me that the season has started far less well than we had hoped and expected. You have directed antipathy at those who have had the power to cause that, and to change it.
Others have directed antipathy at you. I think that's a shame.
I agree with some of what you say. I do think it's remarkable that so very much money has been spent to take us backwards, and I think it's even more remarkable that that doesn't seem to be the consensus.
But even if I did disagree with you absolutely entirely, I would not be calling you names, or calling for bans.
Please don't go, if only because if Kieran /does/ go to Celtic, it will be the end of his reign here, there will be a reassessment of the second half of his tenure, and it will not be a positive one. The consensus will be that bit closer to your position. Also, you will have a chance to get behind a new manager, in respect of whom none of your anti Kieran arguments will apply. There will, one hopes, be less to fall out over.
It's starting to look an awful lot like you started this thread to get yourself attention rather than because you are actually leaving the forum, mate.
That is far less reprehensible than starting a thread purely to pick on one person, calling them names and calling for them to be ostracised despite knowing nothing of their personal circumstances.
I don't generally think I'm worthy of starting a thread, as a general rule with very few exceptions. But when the guy has been singled out, he at least deserves the chance to say goodbye.
So in a nutshell Ashton and Mckenna have wasted all the money and pro rata we are now hopeless and we are going bust in 2 years time. Fair enough you may be right. Although I doubt it.
However, in one of my responses I suggested what we are probably doing about the situation regarding recruitment. So DH I put it to you what ....
1. Should we have done differently in the summer of 2024? 2. What should we be doing now to ensure we prosper? 3. If you actually advocate the replacement of Mckenna who exactly would do a better job?
It seems to me that the season has started far less well than we had hoped and expected. You have directed antipathy at those who have had the power to cause that, and to change it.
Others have directed antipathy at you. I think that's a shame.
I agree with some of what you say. I do think it's remarkable that so very much money has been spent to take us backwards, and I think it's even more remarkable that that doesn't seem to be the consensus.
But even if I did disagree with you absolutely entirely, I would not be calling you names, or calling for bans.
Please don't go, if only because if Kieran /does/ go to Celtic, it will be the end of his reign here, there will be a reassessment of the second half of his tenure, and it will not be a positive one. The consensus will be that bit closer to your position. Also, you will have a chance to get behind a new manager, in respect of whom none of your anti Kieran arguments will apply. There will, one hopes, be less to fall out over.
It's too early to say we've gone backwards. This new team and players need time to learn McKenna's ways, and each other's. Have some patience.
I agree with this. It's only a select few posters who do it but they are popular, regular posters who are pretty relentless in 'policing' their positive agenda. The worst thing is they don't engage with any viewpoint different to their own, just throw around patronising insults like troll, budgie etc. It's a stain on the site luckily it's a minority.
On darkhorse28, don't agree with people being bullied off the site and hope he will cone back posting but maybe try and post with less of a doomsday perspective. A lot of his points were valid but the way he made them did made him look like he was on the windup.
Edit - darkhorse didn't mean to downvote your original post sorry
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This. Totally this. The ban police are always the same few. No differing opinions allowed.
This. Totally this. The ban police are always the same few. No differing opinions allowed.
Surely if someone disagrees with you, then that's just a differing opinion? If there are lots disagreeing with you then that's just lots of differing opinions to yours, which according to you should be allowed. So what exactly are you complaining about?
Whether we agree or disagree with Darkhorse and his view on things, not everything he says is correct, and not everything he says is incorrect, it's all about opinions but One passage he did write should resonate with every true Town fan..........
" Not getting promoted with our liabilities isn’t a nice journey.., it will be the most brutal period in my time supporting the club (outside administration)
The impact isn’t small.., or just not ideal.., it’s transformative and will shape what we do for decades .
See Norwich if you want to know what legacy liabilities and EFL income looks like, or us after administration stripped of talent.
I lived and breathed those years.., and it’s no fun.
We sold £80 million of players.., and the mistakes in talent ID are killing us.
Every time we spend £50 million on a Ogbenne, McAteer and Norwegian prospect who may or may not work, it’s not a switch off and switch the computer game back in scenario.
We’re making these mistakes after four years of Mark making us elite!!!
We aren’t anywhere near what we need. Never will be is my opinion (under Mark)
There aren’t zero consequences.
Not going up before parachute payments expire isn’t an option."
That is completely correct and although a long way off has to be a big consideration in the path we take going forward because the consequences will as pointed out not be pleasant. I am a great believer in prevention rather than cure so if massive decisions have to be made in the coming weeks by the owner and the CEO so be it, hopefully it won't come to that but it cannot just be dismissed.
It seems to me that the season has started far less well than we had hoped and expected. You have directed antipathy at those who have had the power to cause that, and to change it.
Others have directed antipathy at you. I think that's a shame.
I agree with some of what you say. I do think it's remarkable that so very much money has been spent to take us backwards, and I think it's even more remarkable that that doesn't seem to be the consensus.
But even if I did disagree with you absolutely entirely, I would not be calling you names, or calling for bans.
Please don't go, if only because if Kieran /does/ go to Celtic, it will be the end of his reign here, there will be a reassessment of the second half of his tenure, and it will not be a positive one. The consensus will be that bit closer to your position. Also, you will have a chance to get behind a new manager, in respect of whom none of your anti Kieran arguments will apply. There will, one hopes, be less to fall out over.
A noble attempt at offering an olive branch, and I agree it’s not nice to see calls for other posters to be banned. Unfortunately in this case I’m not sure KM leaving would change anything. This poster probably won’t be happy until Ashton has gone. They’ve been posting since April (under this name at least ) and pretty much every single post they make is to criticise the running of the club and specifically Aston. It’s relentless and (imo) unhealthily obsessive.
A lot of the points are valid in isolation; we have spent a lot to have a very poor PL season and are underperforming this year relative to the value of the squad. It could be an unsustainable position as we’ve seen from other clubs who over-extend (and indeed us in 2001/02). I think most people would recognise those as truths, so it’s not so much a disagreement going on here as a mistrust of the motives behind why someone would be relentlessly obsessing over MA and the finances in the way that they are.
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