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record since 1 January 2016, which is basically one and a third seasons.
P 61 W 17 D 24 L 20 F 57 A 70 Pts 71
That means we a win is the rarest occurrence and we have averaged less than a goal a game.
McCarthy's win percentage is a pathetic 28% and we have averaged 1.16 points per game which is 54 points over a season, just enough to see you safe most seasons.
If you include cup matches:
Portsmouth (League 2) Drew
Portsmouth (League 2) Lost
Stevenage (League 2) Lost
Lincoln City (Conference) Drew
Lincoln City (Conference) Lost
Therefore, in all competitions:
P 66 W 17 D 26 L 23 F 62 A 78
We've failed to score in 24 of those 66 games.
Yes Mick. The Fans can Foxtrot Oscar |  |
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If you take Mick's win percentage over the last 1.3 seasons and compare it to that of every manager in our history, only Milburn has a worse record.
Over 4 seasons Mick is now only slightly ahead of Keane and Jewell having not only got off to a very good start in his first two years that would have put him miles ahead of those two, but also being in charge for over four years in which he is responsible for trying to keep improving us.
So over the last year and a bit McCarthy has a much worse win percentage than Keane and Jewell!
Mick O'Brien Ireland 29 May 1936 11 August 1937 39 25 9 5 64.1%
Scott Duncan Scotland 12 November 1937 7 August 1955 505 205 113 187 40.6%
Alf Ramsey England 8 August 1955 30 April 1963 369 176 75 118 47.7%
Jackie Milburn England 1 May 1963 8 September 1964 56 11 12 33 19.6%
Bill McGarry England 5 October 1964 23 November 1968 196 80 62 54 40.8%
Bobby Robson England 13 January 1969 18 August 1982 709 316 173 220 44.6%
Bobby Ferguson England 19 August 1982 17 May 1987 258 97 61 100 37.6%
John Duncan Scotland 17 June 1987 5 May 1990 161 73 29 59 45.3%
John Lyall England 11 May 1990 5 December 1994 231 77 75 79 33.3%
George Burley Scotland 28 December 1994 11 October 2002 413 188 96 129 45.5%
Joe Royle England 28 October 2002 11 May 2006 189 81 48 60 42.9%
Jim Magilton Northern Ireland 5 June 2006 22 April 2009 148 56 41 51 37.8%
Roy Keane Ireland 23 April 2009 7 January 2011 81 28 25 28 34.6%
Paul Jewell England 13 January 2011 24 October 2012 85 29 18 38 34.1%
Mick McCarthy Ireland 1 November 2012 Present 202 80 59 63 39.6% |  | | |
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If you take Mick's win percentage over the last 1.3 seasons and compare it to that of every manager in our history, only Milburn has a worse record.
Over 4 seasons Mick is now only slightly ahead of Keane and Jewell having not only got off to a very good start in his first two years that would have put him miles ahead of those two, but also being in charge for over four years in which he is responsible for trying to keep improving us.
So over the last year and a bit McCarthy has a much worse win percentage than Keane and Jewell!
Mick O'Brien Ireland 29 May 1936 11 August 1937 39 25 9 5 64.1%
Scott Duncan Scotland 12 November 1937 7 August 1955 505 205 113 187 40.6%
Alf Ramsey England 8 August 1955 30 April 1963 369 176 75 118 47.7%
Jackie Milburn England 1 May 1963 8 September 1964 56 11 12 33 19.6%
Bill McGarry England 5 October 1964 23 November 1968 196 80 62 54 40.8%
Bobby Robson England 13 January 1969 18 August 1982 709 316 173 220 44.6%
Bobby Ferguson England 19 August 1982 17 May 1987 258 97 61 100 37.6%
John Duncan Scotland 17 June 1987 5 May 1990 161 73 29 59 45.3%
John Lyall England 11 May 1990 5 December 1994 231 77 75 79 33.3%
George Burley Scotland 28 December 1994 11 October 2002 413 188 96 129 45.5%
Joe Royle England 28 October 2002 11 May 2006 189 81 48 60 42.9%
Jim Magilton Northern Ireland 5 June 2006 22 April 2009 148 56 41 51 37.8%
Roy Keane Ireland 23 April 2009 7 January 2011 81 28 25 28 34.6%
Paul Jewell England 13 January 2011 24 October 2012 85 29 18 38 34.1%
Mick McCarthy Ireland 1 November 2012 Present 202 80 59 63 39.6% |
One thing you can guarantee about the Newcastle game is that once Newcastle score their fans will be chanting "sacked in the morning" you can also guarantee a significant number of Town fans will join in.
It is vital we win tomorrow and get somet,hing from the Fulham game. |  |
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But if you look at the 61 League matches before that (30/9/2014 to 31/12/2015), the record is:
P61 W28 (45.9%) D17 L16 F93 A76 1.52 goals per game. A win ratio behind only Sir Alf and Mick O'Brien. Over a season, that would give you in the order of 76 points (play-off form).
So either something dreadful happened on New Years Eve 2015, or one should be wary about cherry-picking arbitrary periods for statistical analysis. |  |
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If you take Mick's win percentage over the last 1.3 seasons and compare it to that of every manager in our history, only Milburn has a worse record.
Over 4 seasons Mick is now only slightly ahead of Keane and Jewell having not only got off to a very good start in his first two years that would have put him miles ahead of those two, but also being in charge for over four years in which he is responsible for trying to keep improving us.
So over the last year and a bit McCarthy has a much worse win percentage than Keane and Jewell!
Mick O'Brien Ireland 29 May 1936 11 August 1937 39 25 9 5 64.1%
Scott Duncan Scotland 12 November 1937 7 August 1955 505 205 113 187 40.6%
Alf Ramsey England 8 August 1955 30 April 1963 369 176 75 118 47.7%
Jackie Milburn England 1 May 1963 8 September 1964 56 11 12 33 19.6%
Bill McGarry England 5 October 1964 23 November 1968 196 80 62 54 40.8%
Bobby Robson England 13 January 1969 18 August 1982 709 316 173 220 44.6%
Bobby Ferguson England 19 August 1982 17 May 1987 258 97 61 100 37.6%
John Duncan Scotland 17 June 1987 5 May 1990 161 73 29 59 45.3%
John Lyall England 11 May 1990 5 December 1994 231 77 75 79 33.3%
George Burley Scotland 28 December 1994 11 October 2002 413 188 96 129 45.5%
Joe Royle England 28 October 2002 11 May 2006 189 81 48 60 42.9%
Jim Magilton Northern Ireland 5 June 2006 22 April 2009 148 56 41 51 37.8%
Roy Keane Ireland 23 April 2009 7 January 2011 81 28 25 28 34.6%
Paul Jewell England 13 January 2011 24 October 2012 85 29 18 38 34.1%
Mick McCarthy Ireland 1 November 2012 Present 202 80 59 63 39.6% |
This illustrates perfectly that stats and win percentage are a waste of your and everyones time.
Bobby Robson - 44.6%
John Duncan - 45.3%
I know which of the 2 I'd rather have in the dugout. [Post edited 3 Apr 2017 18:04]
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But if you look at the 61 League matches before that (30/9/2014 to 31/12/2015), the record is:
P61 W28 (45.9%) D17 L16 F93 A76 1.52 goals per game. A win ratio behind only Sir Alf and Mick O'Brien. Over a season, that would give you in the order of 76 points (play-off form).
So either something dreadful happened on New Years Eve 2015, or one should be wary about cherry-picking arbitrary periods for statistical analysis. |
If there's any truth to the adage "you're only as good as your last game" then the last 60 games is a fairer pool of data than the playoff season you've picked.
Mick's overall tenure probably doesn't look to bad on paper, but it's been clearly getting worse and worse.
But it's not his fault that he hasn't been sacked. |  | | |
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I like the idea of a "fook off the lot of ya" banner. Cover all the bases. |  |
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If you take Mick's win percentage over the last 1.3 seasons and compare it to that of every manager in our history, only Milburn has a worse record.
Over 4 seasons Mick is now only slightly ahead of Keane and Jewell having not only got off to a very good start in his first two years that would have put him miles ahead of those two, but also being in charge for over four years in which he is responsible for trying to keep improving us.
So over the last year and a bit McCarthy has a much worse win percentage than Keane and Jewell!
Mick O'Brien Ireland 29 May 1936 11 August 1937 39 25 9 5 64.1%
Scott Duncan Scotland 12 November 1937 7 August 1955 505 205 113 187 40.6%
Alf Ramsey England 8 August 1955 30 April 1963 369 176 75 118 47.7%
Jackie Milburn England 1 May 1963 8 September 1964 56 11 12 33 19.6%
Bill McGarry England 5 October 1964 23 November 1968 196 80 62 54 40.8%
Bobby Robson England 13 January 1969 18 August 1982 709 316 173 220 44.6%
Bobby Ferguson England 19 August 1982 17 May 1987 258 97 61 100 37.6%
John Duncan Scotland 17 June 1987 5 May 1990 161 73 29 59 45.3%
John Lyall England 11 May 1990 5 December 1994 231 77 75 79 33.3%
George Burley Scotland 28 December 1994 11 October 2002 413 188 96 129 45.5%
Joe Royle England 28 October 2002 11 May 2006 189 81 48 60 42.9%
Jim Magilton Northern Ireland 5 June 2006 22 April 2009 148 56 41 51 37.8%
Roy Keane Ireland 23 April 2009 7 January 2011 81 28 25 28 34.6%
Paul Jewell England 13 January 2011 24 October 2012 85 29 18 38 34.1%
Mick McCarthy Ireland 1 November 2012 Present 202 80 59 63 39.6% |
So you want to take the worst period of his time here and compare it to the full record of all our other managers?
Sounds reasonable. |  |
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| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 18:17 - Apr 3 with 2208 views | Guthrum |
| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 18:06 - Apr 3 by ClausThomsen |
If there's any truth to the adage "you're only as good as your last game" then the last 60 games is a fairer pool of data than the playoff season you've picked.
Mick's overall tenure probably doesn't look to bad on paper, but it's been clearly getting worse and worse.
But it's not his fault that he hasn't been sacked. |
So what do you think went wrong around the beginning of January 2016, which suddenly turned McCarthy from being quite successful at Ipswich into a rubbish manager?
Do you think the reasons we were bad last season are the same as the causes of the present debacle?
Without decent analysis, we can't get to the root of the problems afflicting our club. | |
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| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 18:18 - Apr 3 with 2189 views | JakeITFC |
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If you take Mick's win percentage over the last 1.3 seasons and compare it to that of every manager in our history, only Milburn has a worse record.
Over 4 seasons Mick is now only slightly ahead of Keane and Jewell having not only got off to a very good start in his first two years that would have put him miles ahead of those two, but also being in charge for over four years in which he is responsible for trying to keep improving us.
So over the last year and a bit McCarthy has a much worse win percentage than Keane and Jewell!
Mick O'Brien Ireland 29 May 1936 11 August 1937 39 25 9 5 64.1%
Scott Duncan Scotland 12 November 1937 7 August 1955 505 205 113 187 40.6%
Alf Ramsey England 8 August 1955 30 April 1963 369 176 75 118 47.7%
Jackie Milburn England 1 May 1963 8 September 1964 56 11 12 33 19.6%
Bill McGarry England 5 October 1964 23 November 1968 196 80 62 54 40.8%
Bobby Robson England 13 January 1969 18 August 1982 709 316 173 220 44.6%
Bobby Ferguson England 19 August 1982 17 May 1987 258 97 61 100 37.6%
John Duncan Scotland 17 June 1987 5 May 1990 161 73 29 59 45.3%
John Lyall England 11 May 1990 5 December 1994 231 77 75 79 33.3%
George Burley Scotland 28 December 1994 11 October 2002 413 188 96 129 45.5%
Joe Royle England 28 October 2002 11 May 2006 189 81 48 60 42.9%
Jim Magilton Northern Ireland 5 June 2006 22 April 2009 148 56 41 51 37.8%
Roy Keane Ireland 23 April 2009 7 January 2011 81 28 25 28 34.6%
Paul Jewell England 13 January 2011 24 October 2012 85 29 18 38 34.1%
Mick McCarthy Ireland 1 November 2012 Present 202 80 59 63 39.6% |
Yes, but by your reasoning he is only slightly behind Burley and Robson and therefore we should probably give him the freedom of the town. |  | | |
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Yes, but by your reasoning he is only slightly behind Burley and Robson and therefore we should probably give him the freedom of the town. |
McCarthy is closer to Keane and Jewell than he is Burley or Robson. | | | |
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Yes, but by your reasoning he is only slightly behind Burley and Robson and therefore we should probably give him the freedom of the town. |
McCarthy is closer to Keane and Jewell than he is Burley or Robson.
But the whole of Mccarthys tenure is less relevant than the most recent portion. It's about what McCarthy is doing more than what he's done. | | | |
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McCarthy is closer to Keane and Jewell than he is Burley or Robson. |
Only in terms of chronology.
As ever, when someone uses stats to justify anything in football they're usually lying far more than words could manage.
As others have pointed out you're taking the piss with that use of stats surely? |  |
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| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 19:08 - Apr 3 with 2086 views | Pinewoodblue |
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McCarthy is closer to Keane and Jewell than he is Burley or Robson.
But the whole of Mccarthys tenure is less relevant than the most recent portion. It's about what McCarthy is doing more than what he's done. |
Only if you compare say McCarthys last fifty games with the last fifty games, prior to leaving, of Keane,Jewell, etc. | |
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| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 19:09 - Apr 3 with 2086 views | ClausThomsen |
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So what do you think went wrong around the beginning of January 2016, which suddenly turned McCarthy from being quite successful at Ipswich into a rubbish manager?
Do you think the reasons we were bad last season are the same as the causes of the present debacle?
Without decent analysis, we can't get to the root of the problems afflicting our club. |
I think it started going wrong after the playoffs. We started 15/16 well then conceded a few goals after Bart's bereavement and Mick's completely changed since this period. Playing Gerken for so long was baffling, but when the goals really started drying up (with Murphy here I might add) he's shown that he has no idea whatsoever how to address it.
He took risks in the playoff season and that contributed to us making it in there. He hasn't done that since.
The root is ultimately the owner, he's the only one with the power to get rid of McCarthy. How he didn't pull the trigger after Lincoln still baffles me. Millions of people watched that performance with his logo on it. It was the culmination of what's happened since the playoffs imo. The peanut on the turd on the icing on the cake.
MM is a leopard and an old dog. The spots are boring and we need new tricks. | | | |
| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 19:13 - Apr 3 with 2082 views | Trequartista |
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But if you look at the 61 League matches before that (30/9/2014 to 31/12/2015), the record is:
P61 W28 (45.9%) D17 L16 F93 A76 1.52 goals per game. A win ratio behind only Sir Alf and Mick O'Brien. Over a season, that would give you in the order of 76 points (play-off form).
So either something dreadful happened on New Years Eve 2015, or one should be wary about cherry-picking arbitrary periods for statistical analysis. |
But New Years Eve 2015 was clearly a turning point, we were in second place, 1 point off the top at the end of 2014 and then we managed to lose more games than we won in the 2015 part of the season. I cannot think of a better place to pinpoint the start of the decline.
Edit i mean New Years Eve 2014 don't I ! [Post edited 3 Apr 2017 19:18]
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McCarthy is closer to Keane and Jewell than he is Burley or Robson. |
McCarthy is 39% and 5% better than Keane and Jewell but 5-6% behind Burley and Robson.
So McCarthy all time is closer to Keane and Jewell. So if he's only just behind Burley and Robson then the awful Keane and Jewell were only just behind McCarthy.
As I said McCarthy in the last 60 games is at 28% which is significantly worse than Keane and Jewell. That's not a small sample size. It's well over a year. [Post edited 3 Apr 2017 19:36]
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| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 19:35 - Apr 3 with 2029 views | Coco |
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Only in terms of chronology.
As ever, when someone uses stats to justify anything in football they're usually lying far more than words could manage.
As others have pointed out you're taking the piss with that use of stats surely? |
Mick hates the use of stats too. Unless it suits his agenda of course. |  |
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| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 19:38 - Apr 3 with 2018 views | Trequartista |
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McCarthy is closer to Keane and Jewell than he is Burley or Robson.
But the whole of Mccarthys tenure is less relevant than the most recent portion. It's about what McCarthy is doing more than what he's done. |
In any event you can't compare against Burley and Robson when their stats include seasons in the top tier. | |
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In any event you can't compare against Burley and Robson when their stats include seasons in the top tier. |
Exactly. All of SBRs games were in the top flight which is why his record is so outstanding. Our last 5 managers records are fair to compare and the order of BFG, MM, JM and then Pj/RK looks spot on. The issue is MMs record is rapidly closing in on JMs which suggests we've gone full circle. |  | | |
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| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 19:38 - Apr 3 by Trequartista |
In any event you can't compare against Burley and Robson when their stats include seasons in the top tier. |
Exactly. All of SBRs games were in the top flight which is why his record is so outstanding. Our last 5 managers records are fair to compare and the order of BFJ, MM, JM and then Pj/RK looks spot on. The issue is MMs record is rapidly closing in on JMs which suggests we've gone full circle. [Post edited 3 Apr 2017 19:45]
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| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 19:48 - Apr 3 with 1970 views | Herbivore |
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If you take Mick's win percentage over the last 1.3 seasons and compare it to that of every manager in our history, only Milburn has a worse record.
Over 4 seasons Mick is now only slightly ahead of Keane and Jewell having not only got off to a very good start in his first two years that would have put him miles ahead of those two, but also being in charge for over four years in which he is responsible for trying to keep improving us.
So over the last year and a bit McCarthy has a much worse win percentage than Keane and Jewell!
Mick O'Brien Ireland 29 May 1936 11 August 1937 39 25 9 5 64.1%
Scott Duncan Scotland 12 November 1937 7 August 1955 505 205 113 187 40.6%
Alf Ramsey England 8 August 1955 30 April 1963 369 176 75 118 47.7%
Jackie Milburn England 1 May 1963 8 September 1964 56 11 12 33 19.6%
Bill McGarry England 5 October 1964 23 November 1968 196 80 62 54 40.8%
Bobby Robson England 13 January 1969 18 August 1982 709 316 173 220 44.6%
Bobby Ferguson England 19 August 1982 17 May 1987 258 97 61 100 37.6%
John Duncan Scotland 17 June 1987 5 May 1990 161 73 29 59 45.3%
John Lyall England 11 May 1990 5 December 1994 231 77 75 79 33.3%
George Burley Scotland 28 December 1994 11 October 2002 413 188 96 129 45.5%
Joe Royle England 28 October 2002 11 May 2006 189 81 48 60 42.9%
Jim Magilton Northern Ireland 5 June 2006 22 April 2009 148 56 41 51 37.8%
Roy Keane Ireland 23 April 2009 7 January 2011 81 28 25 28 34.6%
Paul Jewell England 13 January 2011 24 October 2012 85 29 18 38 34.1%
Mick McCarthy Ireland 1 November 2012 Present 202 80 59 63 39.6% |
Mick's win % is 5% better than Keane and Jewell, which is the same gap between Mick and Sir Bobby. He's been poor this season but there's no need to overstate things by saying he's only done slightly better than his predecessors. |  |
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| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 19:52 - Apr 3 with 1957 views | Superfrans |
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McCarthy is closer to Keane and Jewell than he is Burley or Robson.
But the whole of Mccarthys tenure is less relevant than the most recent portion. It's about what McCarthy is doing more than what he's done. |
Personally, I don't disagree that we're in a bad run. Neither is he.
For me, the period of form before the past 15 months should at least mean that he isn't called a c-unit by some of our "fans". |  |
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| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 19:56 - Apr 3 with 1947 views | ASAx |
| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 19:48 - Apr 3 by Herbivore |
Mick's win % is 5% better than Keane and Jewell, which is the same gap between Mick and Sir Bobby. He's been poor this season but there's no need to overstate things by saying he's only done slightly better than his predecessors. |
I'm not disputing Mick has done okay over 4 years.
But in the last almost 1.5 years he's significantly worse than Keane and Jewell in terms of win ratio. | | | |
| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 20:37 - Apr 3 with 1852 views | BiGDonnie |
What was MMs record when we had Murphy? I'd judge him on that period. |  |
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| Banner time (thanks asa for stats) on 20:58 - Apr 3 with 1801 views | ClausThomsen |
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What was MMs record when we had Murphy? I'd judge him on that period. |
Do you judge Jewell on his record when we had Wickham? Because it was decent. | | | |
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