| Erdogan set to win Referendum 17:40 - Apr 16 with 3219 views | m14_blue |
A huge blow to the values of democracy and liberalism. Also unlikely to help stability in the Middle East.
The world is a dark and worrying place at the moment. |  | | |  |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 18:24 - Apr 16 with 3151 views | J2BLUE |
I would imagine that was rigged and he was always going to win.
Another world event I was wondering about is the North Korean missile launch. I wonder if whoever was in charge of that is still breathing. |  |
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| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 18:30 - Apr 16 with 3128 views | Crock |
Not a blow to the values of democracy since it is the wish of the majority of the voters. |  |
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| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 18:51 - Apr 16 with 3092 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 18:24 - Apr 16 by J2BLUE |
I would imagine that was rigged and he was always going to win.
Another world event I was wondering about is the North Korean missile launch. I wonder if whoever was in charge of that is still breathing. |
I'm not sure it's rigged. However, there has been a huge propaganda effort on behalf of the government position and the 'no' campaign has been restricted by a range of dubious measures.
Unfortunately Erdogan and his party have a huge amount of support in the rural and more conservative parts of Turkey who feel that he gives them a voice that the previously secular governments did not. The reforms were also supported by Turkey's main nationalist/anti-EU party.
Ataturk would not be impressed by the current state of the country. |  | | |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 19:08 - Apr 16 with 3055 views | m14_blue |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 18:30 - Apr 16 by Crock |
Not a blow to the values of democracy since it is the wish of the majority of the voters. |
You obviously haven't been following the campaigns very closely, or indeed events in Turkey over the last 9 months. | | | |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 19:28 - Apr 16 with 3009 views | m14_blue |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 18:51 - Apr 16 by Clapham_Junction |
I'm not sure it's rigged. However, there has been a huge propaganda effort on behalf of the government position and the 'no' campaign has been restricted by a range of dubious measures.
Unfortunately Erdogan and his party have a huge amount of support in the rural and more conservative parts of Turkey who feel that he gives them a voice that the previously secular governments did not. The reforms were also supported by Turkey's main nationalist/anti-EU party.
Ataturk would not be impressed by the current state of the country. |
Indeed, this could well mark the end of Ataturk's secular Turkey.
Numerous videos currently circulating showing very blatant small level electoral corruption for the evet side. Remains to be seen if this was state sponsored but it wouldn't surprise me.
Besides which, it's always going to be fairly easy to win elections when you have imprisoned or closed down all media which opposes you. Incredible that he only achieved 51% really, and was beaten here in Istanbul. [Post edited 16 Apr 2017 19:30]
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| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 19:39 - Apr 16 with 2979 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
It's definitely off the potential holiday list for sure |  | | |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 20:23 - Apr 16 with 2921 views | Crock |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 19:08 - Apr 16 by m14_blue |
You obviously haven't been following the campaigns very closely, or indeed events in Turkey over the last 9 months. |
It is democratic though. Even if you don't like the result. | |
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| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 20:26 - Apr 16 with 2917 views | m14_blue |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 20:23 - Apr 16 by Crock |
It is democratic though. Even if you don't like the result. |
Ok. | | | |
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| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 21:01 - Apr 16 with 2859 views | trncbluearmy |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 19:39 - Apr 16 by FrowsyArmLarry |
It's definitely off the potential holiday list for sure |
Come to North Cyprus instead. |  | | |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 21:02 - Apr 16 with 2858 views | vapour_trail |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 20:23 - Apr 16 by Crock |
It is democratic though. Even if you don't like the result. |
That really depends on your understanding of what constitutes democracy. |  |
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| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 21:32 - Apr 16 with 2818 views | vapour_trail |
Erdogan declaring victory, opposition disputing.
You can see the situation heading south pretty sharpish over there. | |
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| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 22:06 - Apr 16 with 2780 views | The_Last_Baron |
This is a disaster for Turkey and Europe. Civil War will be the result, another Syria. |  |
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| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 22:16 - Apr 16 with 2754 views | vapour_trail |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 22:06 - Apr 16 by The_Last_Baron |
This is a disaster for Turkey and Europe. Civil War will be the result, another Syria. |
We rarely agree but I fear so too. | |
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| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 22:41 - Apr 16 with 2723 views | Kievthegreat |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 20:23 - Apr 16 by Crock |
It is democratic though. Even if you don't like the result. |
It may be democratic in the literal sense, but it is anything but free when you're having a vote in a country that imprisons more journalists than any other and has thrown thousands of dissidents into prison and fired thousands in the army, civil servants and in education purely on suspicion of opposing Erdogan. |  | | |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 07:23 - Apr 17 with 2589 views | StokieBlue |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 19:28 - Apr 16 by m14_blue |
Indeed, this could well mark the end of Ataturk's secular Turkey.
Numerous videos currently circulating showing very blatant small level electoral corruption for the evet side. Remains to be seen if this was state sponsored but it wouldn't surprise me.
Besides which, it's always going to be fairly easy to win elections when you have imprisoned or closed down all media which opposes you. Incredible that he only achieved 51% really, and was beaten here in Istanbul. [Post edited 16 Apr 2017 19:30]
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1.8m votes included even though they had no valid election stamp.....
Already proposing introducing the death penalty so guess he's totally given up on joining the EU. Shame to see a country go to pot so quickly. Surely won't remain secular for too much longer.
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| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 08:06 - Apr 17 with 2554 views | unbelievablue |
He wants to initiate a referendum on reinstating capital punishment. |  |
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| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 08:44 - Apr 17 with 2533 views | No9 |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 07:23 - Apr 17 by StokieBlue |
1.8m votes included even though they had no valid election stamp.....
Already proposing introducing the death penalty so guess he's totally given up on joining the EU. Shame to see a country go to pot so quickly. Surely won't remain secular for too much longer.
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& we already know who is going to be supplying the weaponry for enforcement don't we? | | | |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 09:53 - Apr 17 with 2504 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 22:41 - Apr 16 by Kievthegreat |
It may be democratic in the literal sense, but it is anything but free when you're having a vote in a country that imprisons more journalists than any other and has thrown thousands of dissidents into prison and fired thousands in the army, civil servants and in education purely on suspicion of opposing Erdogan. |
Of course it was Erdogan who would once said that democracy, for him, was like a bus: he would ride it until it got him to his desired destination, at which point he would get off. |  |
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| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 09:57 - Apr 17 with 2499 views | m14_blue |
| Erdogan set to win Referendum on 09:53 - Apr 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Of course it was Erdogan who would once said that democracy, for him, was like a bus: he would ride it until it got him to his desired destination, at which point he would get off. |
I think he might be about to get off. | | | |
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