| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... 08:43 - Jun 5 with 4715 views | itfcjoe |
....isn't that he is criticising Norwich (which he isn't really), it's that it appears under Evans we will never have a more forward thinking structure off the pitch.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city/norwich-city-s-new-management-structur
With this being the case, you can see why Evans sticks with Mick - appointing an unknown foreign manager would likely be an absolute disaster with no structure around them in place.
Problem is, Mick seems to have lost the plot on the pitch whilst still doing a good job off it. |  |
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| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 08:49 - Jun 5 with 4663 views | ElderGrizzly |
Agree. Milne is just commenting on something I assumed Stuart Watson asked him.
I think we've said before, we'll never get a new structure while Mick is in charge. And this is just confirming that point. Mick would simply not work under a DoF.
Evans can 'get away' with the structure we have because MM calls so many shots, although I think that is at the heart of the problem right now. When it's going wrong, there are no new ideas, no challenges to the existing way of doing things. Mick's way or the highway etc
Milne and Clegg before him are perfectly adequate if you have a football structure around them. They aren't/weren't expected to know the ins and outs of the football side of things. |  | | |
| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 08:57 - Jun 5 with 4627 views | No9 |
| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 08:49 - Jun 5 by ElderGrizzly |
Agree. Milne is just commenting on something I assumed Stuart Watson asked him.
I think we've said before, we'll never get a new structure while Mick is in charge. And this is just confirming that point. Mick would simply not work under a DoF.
Evans can 'get away' with the structure we have because MM calls so many shots, although I think that is at the heart of the problem right now. When it's going wrong, there are no new ideas, no challenges to the existing way of doing things. Mick's way or the highway etc
Milne and Clegg before him are perfectly adequate if you have a football structure around them. They aren't/weren't expected to know the ins and outs of the football side of things. |
The article was written by Mark Armstrong.
Isn't the lack of football people at PR the nub of the problem?
MM gives the impression he has no time for the fans ( often seeems to say so) and that maybe because he realises the 12 to 15k coming through the gates won't drop that much more so he can get away with it?
Prensently Mr Evan is in the position where, unless he changes the upper tier of management at ITFC he may well see the value of his investment shrink even more? |  | | |
| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 09:10 - Jun 5 with 4559 views | itfcjoe |
| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 08:49 - Jun 5 by ElderGrizzly |
Agree. Milne is just commenting on something I assumed Stuart Watson asked him.
I think we've said before, we'll never get a new structure while Mick is in charge. And this is just confirming that point. Mick would simply not work under a DoF.
Evans can 'get away' with the structure we have because MM calls so many shots, although I think that is at the heart of the problem right now. When it's going wrong, there are no new ideas, no challenges to the existing way of doing things. Mick's way or the highway etc
Milne and Clegg before him are perfectly adequate if you have a football structure around them. They aren't/weren't expected to know the ins and outs of the football side of things. |
"we'll never get a new structure while Mick is in charge"
Sounds like you could replace Mick with Marcus in that sentence.....so if Mick leaves the same sort of manager will be appointed | |
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| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 09:16 - Jun 5 with 4533 views | ElderGrizzly |
| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 09:10 - Jun 5 by itfcjoe |
"we'll never get a new structure while Mick is in charge"
Sounds like you could replace Mick with Marcus in that sentence.....so if Mick leaves the same sort of manager will be appointed |
Or Evans knows that Mick won't work under a DoF, so in his eyes, don't fix what isn't broken?
It clearly hasn't worked well for the last 18 months, but his metrics are obviously different to ours as fans. | | | |
| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 09:20 - Jun 5 with 4518 views | itfcjoe |
| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 09:16 - Jun 5 by ElderGrizzly |
Or Evans knows that Mick won't work under a DoF, so in his eyes, don't fix what isn't broken?
It clearly hasn't worked well for the last 18 months, but his metrics are obviously different to ours as fans. |
Maybe, but looking at history and the football people he surrounds himself with I wouldn't expect any different - the manager will always be the man with at most advisers in the background
Reality is, Mick overperforms the budget (especially in relation to his predecessors) and is adding value to players with signings like Webster and presumably Bart and gives us a fighting chance.
Not particularly exciting, but feel that him and Mick have a relationship were MM might be able to eke a bit more out of him if he feels he needs it to give us a chance | |
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| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 09:45 - Jun 5 with 4421 views | Pinewoodblue |
Shame they didn't ask about season ticket sales. Expectclub will make an announcement Friday when we are all thinking abiout the outcome of Thursday's vote. |  |
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| He have a Director of Football.... on 09:48 - Jun 5 with 4404 views | Bloots |
| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 08:49 - Jun 5 by ElderGrizzly |
Agree. Milne is just commenting on something I assumed Stuart Watson asked him.
I think we've said before, we'll never get a new structure while Mick is in charge. And this is just confirming that point. Mick would simply not work under a DoF.
Evans can 'get away' with the structure we have because MM calls so many shots, although I think that is at the heart of the problem right now. When it's going wrong, there are no new ideas, no challenges to the existing way of doing things. Mick's way or the highway etc
Milne and Clegg before him are perfectly adequate if you have a football structure around them. They aren't/weren't expected to know the ins and outs of the football side of things. |
....it's Dave Bowman. |  |
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| He have a Director of Football.... on 10:04 - Jun 5 with 4350 views | No9 |
| He have a Director of Football.... on 09:48 - Jun 5 by Bloots |
....it's Dave Bowman. |
Yes, that is what I read | | | |
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| He have a Director of Football.... on 10:10 - Jun 5 with 4325 views | linhdi |
| He have a Director of Football.... on 10:04 - Jun 5 by No9 |
Yes, that is what I read |
The DoF model is still quite unusual over here, though used with some success by clubs employing 'Arry Redknapp, as it keeps him away from wheeler-dealering.
The argument of promoting off-field stability is generally a smokescreen, hiding the real reason, which is:
A. We want to make it easier to sack the manager (coach) because we're not sure about him. Or
B. The manager comes from the DoF model and we don think he'd be any good at being an English-style manager. | | | |
| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 11:00 - Jun 5 with 4204 views | ITFCBlues |
We haven't lost the plot on the pitch though. Three years of achieving way above what our budget allows followed by a season that we've achieved exactly what the budget says we should achieve... |  |
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| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 11:29 - Jun 5 with 4129 views | Hullblue |
The irony is that under Keane and Magilton, when we were splashing the cash, a good director of football would have likely saved us a lot of money. Evans has realised it's not a good idea to give one man £x million to spend on players, only for them to underperform or be discarded by the incoming manager.
A similar point is made in this article about Norwich's signings/finances:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/features/money-is-far-too-tight-to-mention-for-norwich-ci
"Jacob Butterfield was inherited by Chris Hughton, his move having been instigated by Lambert, and the poor bloke was never wanted. Given the huge turnover of managers, would it not be sensible for football’s authorities to have some sort of escape route for players in similar positions? Butterfield was at City for a year and didn’t kick a ball in anger. What a waste of the club’s money."
The writer actually misses the benefit of Norwich's new structure - it's the DoF's job to sign players that work with the club's underlying strategy. It's what works so well at Southampton, who lose 1-2 of their best players (or their manager) every year and always have a replacement lined up. Similar at Swansea.
I'd argue if we had that kind of structure, we'd have had a good replacement for Murph ready to sign this season. And we wouldn't have finished 17th. |  |
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| He have a Director of Football.... on 11:32 - Jun 5 with 4111 views | itfcjoe |
| He have a Director of Football.... on 10:10 - Jun 5 by linhdi |
The DoF model is still quite unusual over here, though used with some success by clubs employing 'Arry Redknapp, as it keeps him away from wheeler-dealering.
The argument of promoting off-field stability is generally a smokescreen, hiding the real reason, which is:
A. We want to make it easier to sack the manager (coach) because we're not sure about him. Or
B. The manager comes from the DoF model and we don think he'd be any good at being an English-style manager. |
If you have any ambitions of being a PL club you can't survive with just a manager making all the football related decisions - it's simply far too big a job, unless they are like a Sir Alex and willing to delegate huge areas. | |
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| He have a Director of Football.... on 11:59 - Jun 5 with 4052 views | ElderGrizzly |
| He have a Director of Football.... on 09:48 - Jun 5 by Bloots |
....it's Dave Bowman. |
It isn't (well he has the title)
Dave Bowman is effectively Chief Scout but was called DoF to get round employment law as we'd just let our Chief Scout go I believe.
He's certainly not a DoF in the normal sense | | | |
| He have a Director of Football.... on 12:02 - Jun 5 with 4033 views | itfcjoe |
| He have a Director of Football.... on 11:59 - Jun 5 by ElderGrizzly |
It isn't (well he has the title)
Dave Bowman is effectively Chief Scout but was called DoF to get round employment law as we'd just let our Chief Scout go I believe.
He's certainly not a DoF in the normal sense |
Maybe Head of Recruitment rather than Chief Scout? But agree, certainly not a true DoF | |
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| He have a Director of Football.... on 11:59 - Jun 5 by ElderGrizzly |
It isn't (well he has the title)
Dave Bowman is effectively Chief Scout but was called DoF to get round employment law as we'd just let our Chief Scout go I believe.
He's certainly not a DoF in the normal sense |
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| He's CEO of PornHub. (n/t) on 12:07 - Jun 5 with 4009 views | Bloots |
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| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 13:18 - Jun 5 with 3847 views | HARRY10 |
| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 08:57 - Jun 5 by No9 |
The article was written by Mark Armstrong.
Isn't the lack of football people at PR the nub of the problem?
MM gives the impression he has no time for the fans ( often seeems to say so) and that maybe because he realises the 12 to 15k coming through the gates won't drop that much more so he can get away with it?
Prensently Mr Evan is in the position where, unless he changes the upper tier of management at ITFC he may well see the value of his investment shrink even more? |
"the 12 to 15k coming through the gates won't drop that much more "
Are you kidding ?
The actual numbers 'coming through the gates' last season were often nearer !2k and certainly were not the numbers listed ie total ST holders plus casuals
If the drop in ST sales is where we are expecting we will see games with less that 10k in PR.
As to Milne's comments they will be taken out of context and has set our fans up for it being thrown back in our faces, as with the 'mind the gap' stuff. | | | |
| He have a Director of Football.... on 14:20 - Jun 5 with 3751 views | No9 |
| He have a Director of Football.... on 11:59 - Jun 5 by ElderGrizzly |
It isn't (well he has the title)
Dave Bowman is effectively Chief Scout but was called DoF to get round employment law as we'd just let our Chief Scout go I believe.
He's certainly not a DoF in the normal sense |
So our 'Legal Counsel' MD, is a law breaker? | | | |
| The thing that jumps out about Milne's comments... on 20:24 - Jun 5 with 3545 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
I know he's been asked but the wrong person has been asked. That yes man has no bloody clue about football and still has a cheek to comment whose methods are better. |  | | |
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