| This election is thoroughly depressing 08:08 - Jun 7 with 7591 views | itfcjoe |
The electorate are treated like idiots and they lap it up.
This country has a real issue with critical thinking and decision making.
EDIT - I don't think every one voting Tory is an idiot, I have myself in the past and may do again in the future. But the campaigns run by likes of the Mail are getting people that ware going to be adversely affected by Tory plans, and who would benefit massively from the Labour manifesto to vote Tory - it's an utter embarrassment [Post edited 7 Jun 2017 8:09]
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 08:19 - Jun 7 with 5351 views | Steve_M |
It's the Lynton Crosby playbook; the whole Tory campaign is based on how bad Corbyn is. May called this election ostensibly because of Brexit (but we all know because of Corbyn) and has regurgitated platitude after platitude.
Oddly the Crosby thing only works when the papers go along with it; when he did the same last Summer it didn't. Again Cameron and Osborne failed to build a positive case for what they clearly wanted to do i.e stay in the EU.
Just a further dumbing down and upping of antagonism as we head towards a US style culture war. |  |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 08:44 - Jun 7 with 5305 views | No9 |
The basic problem Joe is that there is no basic political education in UK schools & so many have no idea about what they are voting for.
As an example people are happy to see Mrs May tear up anything to do with Human Rights without undersanding that also means they loose their human rights not just people they don't like.
& we had a referendum on the EU with large swathes of the electorate niether knowing nor caring about the relationship the UK has with the EU so they don't understand what it might mean to them.
The fact that Mrs May called this election supposedly to be about the UK leving the EU was a lie but people don't understand that, the fact she has said less about leaving the EU than some of the opposition parties has been missed and no one seems to care about the most important thing in the future of the UK at present.
All that is unacceptable but as you say the UK public is being treated like idiots& they lap it up is true but very, very scary. Who was it who said keep the people ignorant they will be happy and easy to control |  | | |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 08:49 - Jun 7 with 5299 views | Clapham_Junction |
The front page of the Mail, Sun and Express will be something to behold if Labour somehow win. I might even consider buying them as collectors items. |  | | |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 08:52 - Jun 7 with 5293 views | hype313 |
I think it's partly down to the candidates we have, they all have issues that make the public distrust them. I know numerous Tories who can't stand May, likewise Labour voters for Corbyn and Lib Dems for Farron.
Don't get me wrong, Blair had his faults, but by god could he mobilse the voters. And reading some details on his time as Labour leader, the manifesto was thought out for years starting in 94, so when 97 came along they had stressed tested every single policy on their manifesto and everyone within the party were all ready for the questions posed to them. The public could trust them as they had character in their conviction.
Fast forward to 2017 and all parties are essentially winging it, you can see that with all the excruciatingly painful interviews we have seen over the past month that none of them are on song, social media plays a part like it didn't in 97, but you would have thought they would all be fully up to speed on their respective manifesto.
Essentially, the highlight of this campaign has been waiting for the next hilarious interview to go viral, which from a comedy point of view is fun, but when it's our livelihoods at stake it suddenly becomes quite scary. |  |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:00 - Jun 7 with 5282 views | Pinewoodblue |
I've fully engaged on other matters the past eight weeks. Haven't seen a party political broadcast nor watched any of the debates. Haven't seen anymore thsn 10 minutes of Sky news at any one time and not read a newspaper more thsn 2-3 times a week and they skimmed through them.
From what I've seen and comments made by friends have to say Joe that you have hit the nail on the head. Not even sure I could tell you anything about the Conservative manifesto all I have heard is attacks on Corbyn or tasking the P*ss out of Abbot.
Is May taking this election as a given? She certainly doesn't seem to be saying why people should give her five years. Why people should trust her, and her party.
She is going to win though isn't she? Pick up a few seats in Scotland( friend in Perth told me all about that) keep most of seats in England thanks to those who voted ?UKIP last time. Glad I've missed most of it but will be home tonight so can vote but my vote won't count not in South Suffolk. |  |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:05 - Jun 7 with 5258 views | artsbossbeard |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:00 - Jun 7 by Pinewoodblue |
I've fully engaged on other matters the past eight weeks. Haven't seen a party political broadcast nor watched any of the debates. Haven't seen anymore thsn 10 minutes of Sky news at any one time and not read a newspaper more thsn 2-3 times a week and they skimmed through them.
From what I've seen and comments made by friends have to say Joe that you have hit the nail on the head. Not even sure I could tell you anything about the Conservative manifesto all I have heard is attacks on Corbyn or tasking the P*ss out of Abbot.
Is May taking this election as a given? She certainly doesn't seem to be saying why people should give her five years. Why people should trust her, and her party.
She is going to win though isn't she? Pick up a few seats in Scotland( friend in Perth told me all about that) keep most of seats in England thanks to those who voted ?UKIP last time. Glad I've missed most of it but will be home tonight so can vote but my vote won't count not in South Suffolk. |
She'll win but any lost seats will be seen as a Labour gain.
She called the election to take advantage of a weak Labour but to the credit of the people, quite a few have seen through this. Hope it backfires. |  |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:09 - Jun 7 with 5229 views | davblue |
I probably won't be voting tbh.
When i have seen interviews with party members they never answer the question put to them, i can't sit here and say im an expert but i don't really believe in any of the leaders from what i've seen. |  | | |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:16 - Jun 7 with 5203 views | Plums |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:09 - Jun 7 by davblue |
I probably won't be voting tbh.
When i have seen interviews with party members they never answer the question put to them, i can't sit here and say im an expert but i don't really believe in any of the leaders from what i've seen. |
Spoil your paper? I have done so before but never in a general election. Tomorrow may be the first, I am yet to decide. |  |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:19 - Jun 7 with 5180 views | SWGF |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:05 - Jun 7 by artsbossbeard |
She'll win but any lost seats will be seen as a Labour gain.
She called the election to take advantage of a weak Labour but to the credit of the people, quite a few have seen through this. Hope it backfires. |
This is what gets me. If she ends up losing seats or making a MARGINAL gain, what has been the whole point of the exercise other than to waste money and precious time in arranging bloody Brexit (which she said this was all about and hasn't mentioned since)? |  |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:23 - Jun 7 with 5158 views | Fixed_It |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:16 - Jun 7 by Plums |
Spoil your paper? I have done so before but never in a general election. Tomorrow may be the first, I am yet to decide. |
I just think of the millions in the world who don't have the right to vote. |  |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:24 - Jun 7 with 5157 views | Steve_M |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 08:52 - Jun 7 by hype313 |
I think it's partly down to the candidates we have, they all have issues that make the public distrust them. I know numerous Tories who can't stand May, likewise Labour voters for Corbyn and Lib Dems for Farron.
Don't get me wrong, Blair had his faults, but by god could he mobilse the voters. And reading some details on his time as Labour leader, the manifesto was thought out for years starting in 94, so when 97 came along they had stressed tested every single policy on their manifesto and everyone within the party were all ready for the questions posed to them. The public could trust them as they had character in their conviction.
Fast forward to 2017 and all parties are essentially winging it, you can see that with all the excruciatingly painful interviews we have seen over the past month that none of them are on song, social media plays a part like it didn't in 97, but you would have thought they would all be fully up to speed on their respective manifesto.
Essentially, the highlight of this campaign has been waiting for the next hilarious interview to go viral, which from a comedy point of view is fun, but when it's our livelihoods at stake it suddenly becomes quite scary. |
Hard to disagree with this:
Except about Michael Howard of course. | |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:29 - Jun 7 with 5134 views | Fixed_It |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:19 - Jun 7 by SWGF |
This is what gets me. If she ends up losing seats or making a MARGINAL gain, what has been the whole point of the exercise other than to waste money and precious time in arranging bloody Brexit (which she said this was all about and hasn't mentioned since)? |
Is that the Brexit that she was against just a year ago? | |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:30 - Jun 7 with 5134 views | Pinewoodblue |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:16 - Jun 7 by Plums |
Spoil your paper? I have done so before but never in a general election. Tomorrow may be the first, I am yet to decide. |
Friom the OP it seems people are lapping it up and don't mind being treated as idiots. Stayed in Bradford one night last weekend guy voted Labour all his life voting Conservative because Corbyn wouldn't nuke North Korea. Mindless reminded me of so many American friends who voted for Trump and would vote for him again tomorrow if given the chance as so far he has done no wrong and kept all his promises.
Spin is all about getting people to believe they are hearing what they want to here even when it is patently obvious they are not.
Time for me to go. Back late tonight or tomorrow as far as TWTD goes. | |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:30 - Jun 7 with 5136 views | Swansea_Blue |
Agreed Joe. We had my old man staying with us last week and he's an avid Mail reader. The stuff he was coming out with was seriously depressing. Just lapping up everything they write about (good and bad) and repeating it all back parrot fashion convinced that it's the absolute truth. No critical evaluation at all. No willingness to listen to others who may have a direct experience of the issues. If that's being replicated over the country, we've no chance. Whatever these papers print will become the 'will of the people'. |  |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:35 - Jun 7 with 5115 views | artsbossbeard |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:30 - Jun 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Agreed Joe. We had my old man staying with us last week and he's an avid Mail reader. The stuff he was coming out with was seriously depressing. Just lapping up everything they write about (good and bad) and repeating it all back parrot fashion convinced that it's the absolute truth. No critical evaluation at all. No willingness to listen to others who may have a direct experience of the issues. If that's being replicated over the country, we've no chance. Whatever these papers print will become the 'will of the people'. |
It's a generation thing, I'm sure.
My mum moans about going into town and not hearing an English voice, My Dad doesn't quite get that whilst we want revenge for the terrorism acts on our shores, the people of Libya should accept being bombed daily and simply take it on the chin.
I had RT on the other day when they came round - not that I'm a rabid Commie but simply to show them there's a different way of receiving your daily news intake. | |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:43 - Jun 7 with 5090 views | Lord_Lucan |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:19 - Jun 7 by SWGF |
This is what gets me. If she ends up losing seats or making a MARGINAL gain, what has been the whole point of the exercise other than to waste money and precious time in arranging bloody Brexit (which she said this was all about and hasn't mentioned since)? |
She genuinely thought that she would massively increase the Tory majority otherwise she wouldn't have called it. There was no reason to and no one expected her to.
She massively misjudged it - apparently - as we haven't got the results yet. |  |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:43 - Jun 7 with 5087 views | MJallday |
the amount of biased media coverage on this election (on both sides) is disgusting.
i do bleieve the media should be restricted in this respect, but in a free speech/press world im not sure how it would work. all i know is that its its not very nice |  |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:44 - Jun 7 with 5072 views | caught-in-limbo |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:23 - Jun 7 by Fixed_It |
I just think of the millions in the world who don't have the right to vote. |
As UK citizens we are lucky to have the freedom to vote. In some countries (I believe Belgium and Australia are two examples) you HAVE TO vote. They have no freedom to opt out.
You could justifiably exercise your privileged freedom to vote by choosing not to. |  |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:46 - Jun 7 with 5050 views | Lord_Lucan |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:44 - Jun 7 by caught-in-limbo |
As UK citizens we are lucky to have the freedom to vote. In some countries (I believe Belgium and Australia are two examples) you HAVE TO vote. They have no freedom to opt out.
You could justifiably exercise your privileged freedom to vote by choosing not to. |
But do those countries have a non of the above option? | |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:51 - Jun 7 with 5018 views | caught-in-limbo |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:46 - Jun 7 by Lord_Lucan |
But do those countries have a non of the above option? |
It's a good question, I'll look into it.
Actually, there are 22 countries that have compulsory voting including:
Democratic Rep. of Congo
Egypt
Lebanon
Ecuador
Brazil
Thailand | |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 10:01 - Jun 7 with 4988 views | caught-in-limbo |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:51 - Jun 7 by caught-in-limbo |
It's a good question, I'll look into it.
Actually, there are 22 countries that have compulsory voting including:
Democratic Rep. of Congo
Egypt
Lebanon
Ecuador
Brazil
Thailand |
It would appear that Greece, Belgium and Brazil are the only countries that have a NOTA (none of the above) option in elections where voting is mandatory.
In the remaining 19 countries where voting is compulsory, it appears that you have to vote for one of the parties on offer.
We are very lucky in Britain that we have the freedom not to vote. | |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 10:37 - Jun 7 with 4949 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 09:35 - Jun 7 by artsbossbeard |
It's a generation thing, I'm sure.
My mum moans about going into town and not hearing an English voice, My Dad doesn't quite get that whilst we want revenge for the terrorism acts on our shores, the people of Libya should accept being bombed daily and simply take it on the chin.
I had RT on the other day when they came round - not that I'm a rabid Commie but simply to show them there's a different way of receiving your daily news intake. |
It's a bit similar for me. I find myself taking contrary positions and defending people I don't have any strong views of, just to show the other side. All a bit bizarre! | |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 11:44 - Jun 7 with 4895 views | Lord_Lucan |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 10:01 - Jun 7 by caught-in-limbo |
It would appear that Greece, Belgium and Brazil are the only countries that have a NOTA (none of the above) option in elections where voting is mandatory.
In the remaining 19 countries where voting is compulsory, it appears that you have to vote for one of the parties on offer.
We are very lucky in Britain that we have the freedom not to vote. |
I agree with that although if there was a NOTA choice I think it should be compulsory to vote. Really there should be an internet vote available but I assume it is too open to fraud. | |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 11:50 - Jun 7 with 4881 views | unbelievablue |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 11:44 - Jun 7 by Lord_Lucan |
I agree with that although if there was a NOTA choice I think it should be compulsory to vote. Really there should be an internet vote available but I assume it is too open to fraud. |
Interestingly, a couple of studies (Switzerland, Australia) have shown that mail-in voting has a minimal to zero effect on turnout. A lot of people actually feel less engaged when they don't have to go down the polling station. There are perceived social incentives to voting physically, in person. It'd be interesting to see whether this would be the same for internet voting. |  |
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| This election is thoroughly depressing on 21:09 - Jun 7 with 4775 views | caught-in-limbo |
| This election is thoroughly depressing on 11:44 - Jun 7 by Lord_Lucan |
I agree with that although if there was a NOTA choice I think it should be compulsory to vote. Really there should be an internet vote available but I assume it is too open to fraud. |
Me too. I like the idea of compulsory voting if a NOTA option was available and the votes for it published alongside all the other options. | |
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