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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. 07:46 - Jun 26 with 31265 viewsSwn98

How low will this man stoop to get into political power claiming the poor residents of Grenville tower were murdered.
This tragedy should be above politics until those survivors are sorted out and the judicial process can begin.


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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 07:48 - Jun 26 with 8924 viewsSwn98

Sorry meant to post this under general posts.
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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 07:59 - Jun 26 with 8876 viewsBackToRussia

Who's lower him or those responsible for the deaths of 79 people

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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:03 - Jun 26 with 8855 viewsbournemouthblue

slightly taken out of context but great for the headline writers

Has he suggested that years of political decisions have lead to this tragedy?

An Aussie fire chief was saying how he found it astounding we leave it so long to review our health and safety regulations given the constant evolutions in technology

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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:08 - Jun 26 with 8845 viewsJohnny_Boy

Aren't most of the Camden run councils - all the ones currently evacuated as being unsafe - Labour run?
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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:21 - Jun 26 with 8788 viewsxrayspecs

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:08 - Jun 26 by Johnny_Boy

Aren't most of the Camden run councils - all the ones currently evacuated as being unsafe - Labour run?


It will be interesting to see who made the decision to use the cladding that has proven flammable. As likely to be a middle manager in the Council, rather than the Chief Executive, and that assumes the council were party to the decision. Some suggestion that councils contracted for a different cladding, suggesting the contractor may be where the finger is ultimately pointed.

McDonnell is following a naked political agenda. To claim the disaster was linked to closing fire stations stretches the point too far imo. He does make some valid points about how social housing and once the dust is settled, this would be a worthwhile topic to debate/ independent inquiry. There appears to be a lot wrong with this and it is not just from the government/council side e.g. sub-letting publicly funded accommodation for personal financial gain being just one of the issues.
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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:26 - Jun 26 with 8775 viewsStokieBlue

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 07:59 - Jun 26 by BackToRussia

Who's lower him or those responsible for the deaths of 79 people


Who is responsible?

His language is awful, he's fuelling things when he shouldn't. He says democracy hadn't worked, what on earth does he mean by that?

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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:29 - Jun 26 with 8750 viewsNo9

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:08 - Jun 26 by Johnny_Boy

Aren't most of the Camden run councils - all the ones currently evacuated as being unsafe - Labour run?


According to the media this morning ALL specimens of cladding tested so far have failed not just the ones in Camden.
Camden have, it seems, taken a 'safety first' position.
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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:32 - Jun 26 with 8735 viewsJohnny_Boy

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:21 - Jun 26 by xrayspecs

It will be interesting to see who made the decision to use the cladding that has proven flammable. As likely to be a middle manager in the Council, rather than the Chief Executive, and that assumes the council were party to the decision. Some suggestion that councils contracted for a different cladding, suggesting the contractor may be where the finger is ultimately pointed.

McDonnell is following a naked political agenda. To claim the disaster was linked to closing fire stations stretches the point too far imo. He does make some valid points about how social housing and once the dust is settled, this would be a worthwhile topic to debate/ independent inquiry. There appears to be a lot wrong with this and it is not just from the government/council side e.g. sub-letting publicly funded accommodation for personal financial gain being just one of the issues.
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These were the contractors:
http://www.rydon.co.uk

But ultimately, the work had to be signed-off by the head-honcho of the Council. Surely manslaughter charges will be aimed at a fair number of high end officials which oversaw proceedings.

Reading between the lines, the cladding is/was still deemed safe to use, as long as the structure was no higher than 3 floors. It is however banned in the USA.
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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:36 - Jun 26 with 8714 viewsJohnny_Boy

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:29 - Jun 26 by No9

According to the media this morning ALL specimens of cladding tested so far have failed not just the ones in Camden.
Camden have, it seems, taken a 'safety first' position.


Watching the telly this morning, some bozo from Leicester council said all their cladding was tested & passed with flying colours.
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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:41 - Jun 26 with 8691 viewsFtnfwest

He hasn't had a problem supporting murder in the past. Mind you as with a number of other things it's a long time ago so 'doesn't count'.
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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:41 - Jun 26 with 8687 viewsm14_blue

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:26 - Jun 26 by StokieBlue

Who is responsible?

His language is awful, he's fuelling things when he shouldn't. He says democracy hadn't worked, what on earth does he mean by that?

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He's an idiot.

Corbyn needs to completely revamp his front bench if he's to really capitalise on his own growing popularity. JC seems to finally be grasping what it takes to move from a protest movement to a serious alternative government, McDonnell is undoing his hard work.
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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:42 - Jun 26 with 8683 viewsRadlett_blue

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:32 - Jun 26 by Johnny_Boy

These were the contractors:
http://www.rydon.co.uk

But ultimately, the work had to be signed-off by the head-honcho of the Council. Surely manslaughter charges will be aimed at a fair number of high end officials which oversaw proceedings.

Reading between the lines, the cladding is/was still deemed safe to use, as long as the structure was no higher than 3 floors. It is however banned in the USA.


Emma Coad, newly elected Labour MP for Kensington, was on the local council's housing scrutiny committee, which had responsibility for overseeing community safety issues. I wonder if McDonnell would like to see her put in the dock, charged with murder?
They hysteria surrounding this tragedy is frightening. There has clearly been a failure in safety regulation; let's try to prevent another similar event occurring, rather than trying to find people to blame.

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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:44 - Jun 26 with 8669 viewsNo9

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:32 - Jun 26 by Johnny_Boy

These were the contractors:
http://www.rydon.co.uk

But ultimately, the work had to be signed-off by the head-honcho of the Council. Surely manslaughter charges will be aimed at a fair number of high end officials which oversaw proceedings.

Reading between the lines, the cladding is/was still deemed safe to use, as long as the structure was no higher than 3 floors. It is however banned in the USA.


If the contractor performed the work in accordance with the specifications and scope of work the contractor will not be liable.
Before council depatrments were dismantled in the 80's the Councils 'Clerk of Works' was responsible for all works carried out in his patch & he had professionals on his staff to make sure everythign was done properly.
Since then councils have been forced to outsource to the 'Lowest Bidder' and in many cases (my local councils are a point in case) they do not have the necessary expertise to compile a bill of quantities, scope of work, specifications or T's & C's.

The governmentof the day is responsible for building regulations.
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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:45 - Jun 26 with 8662 viewsBackToRussia

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:42 - Jun 26 by Radlett_blue

Emma Coad, newly elected Labour MP for Kensington, was on the local council's housing scrutiny committee, which had responsibility for overseeing community safety issues. I wonder if McDonnell would like to see her put in the dock, charged with murder?
They hysteria surrounding this tragedy is frightening. There has clearly been a failure in safety regulation; let's try to prevent another similar event occurring, rather than trying to find people to blame.


Part of prevention involves holding those individually responsible accountable and punished if it's seen fit. No point having rules if no one is punished for breaking them.

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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:47 - Jun 26 with 8657 viewsStokieBlue

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:42 - Jun 26 by Radlett_blue

Emma Coad, newly elected Labour MP for Kensington, was on the local council's housing scrutiny committee, which had responsibility for overseeing community safety issues. I wonder if McDonnell would like to see her put in the dock, charged with murder?
They hysteria surrounding this tragedy is frightening. There has clearly been a failure in safety regulation; let's try to prevent another similar event occurring, rather than trying to find people to blame.


McDonnell has said decades of political decisions have caused the "murder" of the victims.

His timescale includes a large amount of Labour government so he must blame them as well.

The thing is he shouldn't be talking like this, it's detestable.

At the moment everyone should be focused on sorting out the issues and making people safe.

If people want to finger point and apportion blame the will be plenty of time to do that when everything is fixed.

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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:47 - Jun 26 with 8651 viewsJohnny_Boy

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:42 - Jun 26 by Radlett_blue

Emma Coad, newly elected Labour MP for Kensington, was on the local council's housing scrutiny committee, which had responsibility for overseeing community safety issues. I wonder if McDonnell would like to see her put in the dock, charged with murder?
They hysteria surrounding this tragedy is frightening. There has clearly been a failure in safety regulation; let's try to prevent another similar event occurring, rather than trying to find people to blame.


The current Leader of Camden council, which gave the green light to uproot 3 tower blocks on Friday night, has come across quite well IMHO. She's been on the front line this whole weekend.
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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:51 - Jun 26 with 8632 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:21 - Jun 26 by xrayspecs

It will be interesting to see who made the decision to use the cladding that has proven flammable. As likely to be a middle manager in the Council, rather than the Chief Executive, and that assumes the council were party to the decision. Some suggestion that councils contracted for a different cladding, suggesting the contractor may be where the finger is ultimately pointed.

McDonnell is following a naked political agenda. To claim the disaster was linked to closing fire stations stretches the point too far imo. He does make some valid points about how social housing and once the dust is settled, this would be a worthwhile topic to debate/ independent inquiry. There appears to be a lot wrong with this and it is not just from the government/council side e.g. sub-letting publicly funded accommodation for personal financial gain being just one of the issues.
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Will austerity have resulted in more or fewer fire safety officers doing more or less inspections ?

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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:52 - Jun 26 with 8624 viewsSteve_M

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:47 - Jun 26 by StokieBlue

McDonnell has said decades of political decisions have caused the "murder" of the victims.

His timescale includes a large amount of Labour government so he must blame them as well.

The thing is he shouldn't be talking like this, it's detestable.

At the moment everyone should be focused on sorting out the issues and making people safe.

If people want to finger point and apportion blame the will be plenty of time to do that when everything is fixed.

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Of course, McDonnell will be quite happy to demonise Blair and Brown as much as the Tories for equally tawdry political reasons. I agree, detestable.

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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:53 - Jun 26 with 8620 viewsJohnny_Boy

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:44 - Jun 26 by No9

If the contractor performed the work in accordance with the specifications and scope of work the contractor will not be liable.
Before council depatrments were dismantled in the 80's the Councils 'Clerk of Works' was responsible for all works carried out in his patch & he had professionals on his staff to make sure everythign was done properly.
Since then councils have been forced to outsource to the 'Lowest Bidder' and in many cases (my local councils are a point in case) they do not have the necessary expertise to compile a bill of quantities, scope of work, specifications or T's & C's.

The governmentof the day is responsible for building regulations.


I agree. But I only know of the contractors details, because they carried out work on my Mums home a few years ago. To say they did a botched-job & cut numerous corners is an understatement.

The press statement on their homepage makes it explicitly VERY clear the cladding work was signed-off by Kensington council.
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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:54 - Jun 26 with 8617 viewsStokieBlue

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:51 - Jun 26 by BanksterDebtSlave

Will austerity have resulted in more or fewer fire safety officers doing more or less inspections ?


Straight in with the points scoring. It was an issue before austerity as archers video from 1984 showed.

Guess it's better to go for a bash rather than solve the problem first and then analyse and resolve all the causes.

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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:54 - Jun 26 with 8613 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:47 - Jun 26 by StokieBlue

McDonnell has said decades of political decisions have caused the "murder" of the victims.

His timescale includes a large amount of Labour government so he must blame them as well.

The thing is he shouldn't be talking like this, it's detestable.

At the moment everyone should be focused on sorting out the issues and making people safe.

If people want to finger point and apportion blame the will be plenty of time to do that when everything is fixed.

SB


Should we follow the Hillsborough model ?

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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:57 - Jun 26 with 8597 viewsStokieBlue

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:54 - Jun 26 by BanksterDebtSlave

Should we follow the Hillsborough model ?


Where have I said that? Rather pathetic to jump straight to that and not doing yourself any favours.

You don't agree it's detestable?

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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 09:03 - Jun 26 with 8563 viewsSwansea_Blue

Trevor McDonald's the one you want to watch - looks shifty to me.

Old McDonald was a wrong un too. Overstocking his fields like that.



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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 09:11 - Jun 26 with 8530 viewsxrayspecs

John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 08:51 - Jun 26 by BanksterDebtSlave

Will austerity have resulted in more or fewer fire safety officers doing more or less inspections ?


On austerity, total government spending is higher today (£742bn) than when the financial crisis started in 2006 (£684bn). It peaked in 2010 at £765bn, so we are just 3% lower than peak budget and 10% higher than when the financial crisis started.

It is what you choose to spend the money on that matters.

On inspections, I would be surprised if having more inspectors would have prevented the Grenfell disaster, as the work needed to uncover the issue would unlikely to be on their schedule. I do take your more general point though.
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John Mcdonald Just heard his Glastonbury rant. on 09:23 - Jun 26 with 8466 viewsSwansea_Blue

Anyone hear Will Self's damning assessment of how we've approached social housing and in particular the deeper issues behind the current cladding approach ( or 'barcode facades' as he put it)?

I suppose we're rightly looking at the details and concentrating on what to do with individual tower blocks now, but if this doesn't make someone sit up and re-evaluate social housing from the ground up I don't know what will. Yet we're still building them.

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