| Why is Brexit still happening? 11:08 - Jul 13 with 81812 views | tcblue |
Almost everyone involved has said it will be a catastrophe, and the only person still thinking it's a good idea is failed politician radio host Nigel Farage. Even Boris and POB got the jobs they were perhaps angling for out of it so won't be pro anymore.
I just don't get it. Yes, there was an election with a result - but was that really done properly with an informed electorate?
I don't really give a toss if this is dismissed as snowflaking. It is obvious that Brexit will make this country significantly worse off, and for some reason we still have our foot on the gas despite being ten feet away from the cliff edge.
If there were true principles and strong leaders in our politics (whichever colour) nowadays, we would be having conversations about not respecting the will of the 52% right now.
Everyone in politics wants to pull the parachute. I'm sure of it. |  | | |  |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:15 - Jul 13 with 15560 views | Ipswich_Crazy |
Are there still recryers (remainers) trying to stop it?
time to move on. |  |
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:15 - Jul 13 with 15557 views | Heathlander |
But we get our country back :) |  | | |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:18 - Jul 13 with 15554 views | xrayspecs |
We live in a democracy
52% voted to leave, so the government are required to respect their wishes
The general population have never and will never be properly informed [Post edited 13 Jul 2017 11:19]
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:21 - Jul 13 with 15527 views | tcblue |
Okay then. So we will just carry on driving over the precipice | | | |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:23 - Jul 13 with 15512 views | giant_stow |
Its interesting how quiet the leavers have been since the election, I reckon. Feels like change is in the air.
Edit: almost like nobody bar May wants to take responsibility for it, knowing they'll go down in history as country killers. [Post edited 13 Jul 2017 11:24]
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:23 - Jul 13 with 15519 views | feelingblue |
It wouldn't be a catastrophe if we did a Norway or Switzerland type deal. We would have left the EU.
It would have been a pointless waste of time, but that is better than walking into a hopeless unplanned, unthought through sh1tstorm of uncertainty and f*ckwitted chaos, as some elements of the Tories, and, it would appear, the Corbynite wing of the Labour party want to do. |  | | |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:30 - Jul 13 with 15483 views | giant_stow |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:23 - Jul 13 by feelingblue |
It wouldn't be a catastrophe if we did a Norway or Switzerland type deal. We would have left the EU.
It would have been a pointless waste of time, but that is better than walking into a hopeless unplanned, unthought through sh1tstorm of uncertainty and f*ckwitted chaos, as some elements of the Tories, and, it would appear, the Corbynite wing of the Labour party want to do. |
I spose the Corbyn bods see their chance to create a socialist paradise free form EU medlding. Facinating times if nothing else. | |
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:36 - Jul 13 with 15474 views | BlueLikeJazz |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:18 - Jul 13 by xrayspecs |
We live in a democracy
52% voted to leave, so the government are required to respect their wishes
The general population have never and will never be properly informed [Post edited 13 Jul 2017 11:19]
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"52% voted to leave, so the government are required to respect their wishes"
Not actually true. Referendum was advisory only, and very very close. Besides which, if 52% of the population voted to have Nigel Farage stick cactuses up their arses, I wouldn't expect the government to do that either. | | | |
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:38 - Jul 13 with 15468 views | eireblue |
"The electorate" handed the politicians a very minor weighted dilemma.
Politicians also witnessed how easily Nige whipped up votes.
BTW, Nige has explicitly stated that if "we" are less well off as a result, that is fine.
Weak politicians will translate minor weighted dilemma, into the people have spoken, in order to ensure they get voted for. |  | | |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:41 - Jul 13 with 15452 views | StokieBlue |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:36 - Jul 13 by BlueLikeJazz |
"52% voted to leave, so the government are required to respect their wishes"
Not actually true. Referendum was advisory only, and very very close. Besides which, if 52% of the population voted to have Nigel Farage stick cactuses up their arses, I wouldn't expect the government to do that either. |
The advisory only line is really quite silly. What's the point of a referendum if it's advisory only?
There are many, many better reasons to rage against Brexit than this stupid line which just sounds childish.
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:43 - Jul 13 with 15437 views | chicoazul |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:18 - Jul 13 by xrayspecs |
We live in a democracy
52% voted to leave, so the government are required to respect their wishes
The general population have never and will never be properly informed [Post edited 13 Jul 2017 11:19]
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Your last sentence entirely undermines the rest of your post. |  |
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:49 - Jul 13 with 15406 views | chicoazul |
You're right of course, everyone in politics *does* want to pull the parachute. As does 80% of the media in the country. And rightly so. Part of the reason I voted remain is that I have no faith in berks like Davies at the negotiating table versus their counter parties.
Disaster is probably the wrong word for what will happen. It may turn out ultimately to be worse for the EU than for the UK economy if the UK follows through on its seeming-plan of basically becoming an enormous tax haven which will, by the way, lead to a defenestration of workers rights in the UK. But the vast majority of people in the UK will almost certainly be poorer. | |
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:54 - Jul 13 with 15378 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:49 - Jul 13 by chicoazul |
You're right of course, everyone in politics *does* want to pull the parachute. As does 80% of the media in the country. And rightly so. Part of the reason I voted remain is that I have no faith in berks like Davies at the negotiating table versus their counter parties.
Disaster is probably the wrong word for what will happen. It may turn out ultimately to be worse for the EU than for the UK economy if the UK follows through on its seeming-plan of basically becoming an enormous tax haven which will, by the way, lead to a defenestration of workers rights in the UK. But the vast majority of people in the UK will almost certainly be poorer. |
"defenestration"  Nice one, that's going to be my word of the day now I've looked it up and know what it means.
Agree though. We've got to see this through, unfortunately, unless there's a democratic counter position established. Can't see how that would happen though other than through a second referendum, which is unlikely. |  |
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:54 - Jul 13 with 15370 views | blue_oyster |
You're nearly right, most people in politics and corporations and other people in power don't want Brexit to happen. But unfortunately for them, and you, democracy got in the way. |  |
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:57 - Jul 13 with 15370 views | chicoazul |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:54 - Jul 13 by Swansea_Blue |
"defenestration" Nice one, that's going to be my word of the day now I've looked it up and know what it means.
Agree though. We've got to see this through, unfortunately, unless there's a democratic counter position established. Can't see how that would happen though other than through a second referendum, which is unlikely. |
Parliament has been given a vote on the final deal in 2 years. If they vote no, what then? | |
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 12:00 - Jul 13 with 15355 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:57 - Jul 13 by chicoazul |
Parliament has been given a vote on the final deal in 2 years. If they vote no, what then? |
They daren't, shirley? | |
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 12:01 - Jul 13 with 15350 views | Guthrum |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:57 - Jul 13 by chicoazul |
Parliament has been given a vote on the final deal in 2 years. If they vote no, what then? |
Which is quite a likely thing, given any deal (almost by definition) is unlikely to be both soft enough for the pro-Europeans and harsh enough for the hard-core Brexiteers. That's without people playing party political games on top. |  |
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 12:03 - Jul 13 with 15319 views | tcblue |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:54 - Jul 13 by blue_oyster |
You're nearly right, most people in politics and corporations and other people in power don't want Brexit to happen. But unfortunately for them, and you, democracy got in the way. |
Not sure I like your democracy. | | | |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 12:03 - Jul 13 with 15320 views | jaykay |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:15 - Jul 13 by Ipswich_Crazy |
Are there still recryers (remainers) trying to stop it?
time to move on. |
well we put up with some of the leavers moaning since 1975.so a few months of the remainders having a moan is nothing |  |
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 12:05 - Jul 13 with 15292 views | giant_stow |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:54 - Jul 13 by blue_oyster |
You're nearly right, most people in politics and corporations and other people in power don't want Brexit to happen. But unfortunately for them, and you, democracy got in the way. |
It was the will of the people when the referendum took place, but what will that will be when we know the consequences? | |
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| Why is Brexit still happening? on 12:05 - Jul 13 with 15296 views | xrayspecs |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:43 - Jul 13 by chicoazul |
Your last sentence entirely undermines the rest of your post. |
Not really. All are factually correct | | | |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 12:05 - Jul 13 with 15295 views | peonic |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:15 - Jul 13 by Ipswich_Crazy |
Are there still recryers (remainers) trying to stop it?
time to move on. |
Where did our country go so wrong that it's now the norm to start slinging insults at anyone with a different politcal opinion to you? | | | |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 12:08 - Jul 13 with 15262 views | BlueLikeJazz |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 12:03 - Jul 13 by tcblue |
Not sure I like your democracy. |
Well you are replying to someone who proves every time he posts about historical topics that he wouldn't understand what real democracy was if it punched him in the face. And that's even before you consider the cognitive dissonance involved in believing a campaign where the leading lights were Farage and Johsnon is somehow some kind of populist uprising.
*rolls eyes* | | | |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 12:08 - Jul 13 with 15262 views | xrayspecs |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 11:57 - Jul 13 by chicoazul |
Parliament has been given a vote on the final deal in 2 years. If they vote no, what then? |
Indeed. Parliament is not voting on whether they like what is negotiated with a view to rejecting it in order to pursue a better deal. The alternative is the hardest possible form of Brexit.
This is the lie that many of those opposing government are putting forward. We will face a choice between what is negotiated or no deal. | | | |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 12:08 - Jul 13 with 15256 views | tcblue |
| Why is Brexit still happening? on 12:05 - Jul 13 by peonic |
Where did our country go so wrong that it's now the norm to start slinging insults at anyone with a different politcal opinion to you? |
It's pretty much human nature when there was a close binary vote. Yet another reason why the referendum was a bad idea which continues to have negative impacts.
I hope Cameron enjoys his shed | | | |
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