| Next James Bond..... 08:20 - Jul 17 with 15748 views | itfcjoe |
In light of the new Dr Who being a female, which I couldn't care less about as have never and will never watch it anyway, I wondered what people's thoughts are on the next James Bond....
I think the favourite is Tom Hardy, but there has been a lot of talk about Idris Elba.
I don't get how a black guy can get the role of a literary character who is clearly defined in numerous books - it makes no sense to me.
I'm sure some will see this as racist, although I struggle to see how. |  |
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| Next James Bond..... on 08:26 - Jul 17 with 5800 views | tcblue |
Your last sentence is a bit odd.
But I'll bite anyway, what is it that Bond does which means he can only be played by white actors? |  | | |
| Next James Bond..... on 08:28 - Jul 17 with 5786 views | WD19 |
| Next James Bond..... on 08:26 - Jul 17 by tcblue |
Your last sentence is a bit odd.
But I'll bite anyway, what is it that Bond does which means he can only be played by white actors? |
A black bond could never dress up as a convincing Japanese man in the way Sean Connery did. |  | | |
| Next James Bond..... on 08:28 - Jul 17 with 5788 views | itfcjoe |
| Next James Bond..... on 08:26 - Jul 17 by tcblue |
Your last sentence is a bit odd.
But I'll bite anyway, what is it that Bond does which means he can only be played by white actors? |
As mentioned - he is a literary character who has been described and detailed numerous times in numerous books. | |
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| Next James Bond..... on 08:31 - Jul 17 with 5769 views | Lord_Lucan |
I would like Tom Hardy but I doubt it and I love Idris Elba but agree with your comments.
I doubt though it will be either, James Bonds are rarely AAA type actors, I think it will be a slightly less known actor - maybe that Poldark bod.
Personally I would like Roy Cropper. |  |
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| Next James Bond..... on 08:32 - Jul 17 with 5759 views | tcblue |
| Next James Bond..... on 08:28 - Jul 17 by itfcjoe |
As mentioned - he is a literary character who has been described and detailed numerous times in numerous books. |
Did the books also describe him as English? | | | |
| Next James Bond..... on 08:36 - Jul 17 with 5739 views | itfcjoe |
| Next James Bond..... on 08:32 - Jul 17 by tcblue |
Did the books also describe him as English? |
Scottish father, Swiss mother - raised with an Aunt in England and attended Eton. | |
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| Next James Bond..... on 08:40 - Jul 17 with 5721 views | tcblue |
So the sanctity of the books has already been broken. I'm struggling with this one Joe, I must admit I'm not a fan of Bond but I can't put a nice reason on why you have an issue with it | | | |
| Next James Bond..... on 08:44 - Jul 17 with 5699 views | itfcjoe |
| Next James Bond..... on 08:40 - Jul 17 by tcblue |
So the sanctity of the books has already been broken. I'm struggling with this one Joe, I must admit I'm not a fan of Bond but I can't put a nice reason on why you have an issue with it |
How does that break the sanctity of the books? | |
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| Next James Bond..... on 08:51 - Jul 17 with 5671 views | AdmiralFunge |
Playing Devils Advocate here - wasn't M always male in the books? |  |
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| Next James Bond..... on 08:56 - Jul 17 with 5663 views | homer_123 |
It should be played by a one legged, black, gender neutral, vegan, liberal of a non-descript age from a non-privileged background. |  |
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| Next James Bond..... on 08:59 - Jul 17 with 5645 views | WeWereZombies |
| Next James Bond..... on 08:56 - Jul 17 by homer_123 |
It should be played by a one legged, black, gender neutral, vegan, liberal of a non-descript age from a non-privileged background. |
That's quite close to a description of George Lazenby... |  |
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| Next James Bond..... on 09:00 - Jul 17 with 5643 views | Axeldalai_lama |
Your language seems strange in the op. I'd understand if you said you can't imagine a black Bond, or it would be wierd to you to see a James Bond, but saying you "don't get how a black guy" can be James Bond is a little strange to me.
Surely it's the tiniest of tiny jumps, and probably the one thing that would change him the "least", over, say nationality, gendre, even age.
Plus aren't all the books done now? And isn't James Bond effectively a code name for him? He's clearly not the same bloke who was "James Bond" 50+ years ago, why should race matter, apart from initially seeming a bit different? |  | | |
| Next James Bond..... on 09:03 - Jul 17 with 5622 views | tcblue |
| Next James Bond..... on 08:44 - Jul 17 by itfcjoe |
How does that break the sanctity of the books? |
Bond has rarely been played by an English man, M was played by a woman, Felix Leiter was blond in the books.
Seems like the books aren't considered that important for casting, so again, what does Bond do which means a black actor couldn't play him? | | | |
| Next James Bond..... on 09:06 - Jul 17 with 5603 views | WeWereZombies |
| Next James Bond..... on 09:00 - Jul 17 by Axeldalai_lama |
Your language seems strange in the op. I'd understand if you said you can't imagine a black Bond, or it would be wierd to you to see a James Bond, but saying you "don't get how a black guy" can be James Bond is a little strange to me.
Surely it's the tiniest of tiny jumps, and probably the one thing that would change him the "least", over, say nationality, gendre, even age.
Plus aren't all the books done now? And isn't James Bond effectively a code name for him? He's clearly not the same bloke who was "James Bond" 50+ years ago, why should race matter, apart from initially seeming a bit different? |
William Boyd, amongst others, has written a new James Bond novel - I think the permission of Ian Fleming's estate is needed. So the franchise will continue...until the money dries up. It could even be in Britain's interest to keep it going as it gives a certain romance to our mucking about in the affairs of the world. Perhaps if space travel ever becomes ubiquitous the roles of Bond and Dr. Who can be combined - that is going to be one helluva human resources meeting. | |
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| Next James Bond..... on 09:14 - Jul 17 with 5578 views | itfcjoe |
| Next James Bond..... on 08:51 - Jul 17 by AdmiralFunge |
Playing Devils Advocate here - wasn't M always male in the books? |
I also don't think that's great - but the main character is a very different beast. It is the James Bond franchise, and the books and the films are about him - what happens around that isn't too consequential for me. | |
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| Next James Bond..... on 09:18 - Jul 17 with 5567 views | itfcjoe |
| Next James Bond..... on 09:00 - Jul 17 by Axeldalai_lama |
Your language seems strange in the op. I'd understand if you said you can't imagine a black Bond, or it would be wierd to you to see a James Bond, but saying you "don't get how a black guy" can be James Bond is a little strange to me.
Surely it's the tiniest of tiny jumps, and probably the one thing that would change him the "least", over, say nationality, gendre, even age.
Plus aren't all the books done now? And isn't James Bond effectively a code name for him? He's clearly not the same bloke who was "James Bond" 50+ years ago, why should race matter, apart from initially seeming a bit different? |
With regards to being a smaller change than gender, nationality or age then to clarify these things that I also don't think should be changed but aren't currently amongst the bookies favourites to be the next Bond so hadn't brought those up.
There are still books written with permission from the estate of Ian Fleming. If James Bond is seen as too much of a misogynist, or sexist, or priviliged white background then I'd rather the movies die out than change to try and adapt to modern ideals. | |
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| Next James Bond..... on 09:20 - Jul 17 with 5551 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Next James Bond..... on 08:56 - Jul 17 by homer_123 |
It should be played by a one legged, black, gender neutral, vegan, liberal of a non-descript age from a non-privileged background. |
..........or, Jeremy Corbyn! |  |
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| Next James Bond..... on 09:22 - Jul 17 with 5548 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Next James Bond..... on 09:00 - Jul 17 by Axeldalai_lama |
Your language seems strange in the op. I'd understand if you said you can't imagine a black Bond, or it would be wierd to you to see a James Bond, but saying you "don't get how a black guy" can be James Bond is a little strange to me.
Surely it's the tiniest of tiny jumps, and probably the one thing that would change him the "least", over, say nationality, gendre, even age.
Plus aren't all the books done now? And isn't James Bond effectively a code name for him? He's clearly not the same bloke who was "James Bond" 50+ years ago, why should race matter, apart from initially seeming a bit different? |
He's clearly a time traveller.......so, maybe the new Dr Who can be Bond too ! | |
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| Next James Bond..... on 09:24 - Jul 17 with 5540 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
Tom Hiddleston - Lump on! |  | | |
| Next James Bond..... on 09:28 - Jul 17 with 5533 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Next James Bond..... on 09:18 - Jul 17 by itfcjoe |
With regards to being a smaller change than gender, nationality or age then to clarify these things that I also don't think should be changed but aren't currently amongst the bookies favourites to be the next Bond so hadn't brought those up.
There are still books written with permission from the estate of Ian Fleming. If James Bond is seen as too much of a misogynist, or sexist, or priviliged white background then I'd rather the movies die out than change to try and adapt to modern ideals. |
You think picking Idris Elba would be trying to adapt to "modern ideals"?
What if he was still priviliged, misogynistic and sexist?
Are the new books set present day, out of interest? And is James Bond still as mysogynistic etc as portrayed in early bond films? I've no idea of the history really, I like the films, especially the modern ones, just don't see how having a black bloke would matter. Or any other race for that matter. | | | |
| Next James Bond..... on 09:33 - Jul 17 with 5517 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Next James Bond..... on 09:03 - Jul 17 by tcblue |
Bond has rarely been played by an English man, M was played by a woman, Felix Leiter was blond in the books.
Seems like the books aren't considered that important for casting, so again, what does Bond do which means a black actor couldn't play him? |
You seem to be just trying to dig Joe out for the sake of it.
You obviously don't know him - and I think he has a point. | |
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| Next James Bond..... on 09:34 - Jul 17 with 5516 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Next James Bond..... on 09:28 - Jul 17 by Axeldalai_lama |
You think picking Idris Elba would be trying to adapt to "modern ideals"?
What if he was still priviliged, misogynistic and sexist?
Are the new books set present day, out of interest? And is James Bond still as mysogynistic etc as portrayed in early bond films? I've no idea of the history really, I like the films, especially the modern ones, just don't see how having a black bloke would matter. Or any other race for that matter. |
Of course it wouldn't matter. But then some people still get the hump that black actors play leading roles in Shakespeare, 420 years on. People are strange. |  |
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| Next James Bond..... on 09:36 - Jul 17 with 5507 views | uncle |
Take a cold shower |  | | |
| Next James Bond..... on 09:37 - Jul 17 with 5505 views | RoyKeanesDog |
I wouldn't be against Idris personally, but would prefer Tom Hardy.
A woman James Bond would be a different kettle of fish though. |  |
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| Next James Bond..... on 09:45 - Jul 17 with 5473 views | Superfrans |
| Next James Bond..... on 08:28 - Jul 17 by itfcjoe |
As mentioned - he is a literary character who has been described and detailed numerous times in numerous books. |
But these are films. They're not the same as the books and don't need to match all details from the source materials.
The Bourne films bear little similiarity to Robert Ludlum's books. But that's not a problem.
And plenty of blonde actors have played characters from novels with dark hair.
In the vast majority of dramatizations of the life of Jesus Christ, he has been played as a blue eyed, white-skinned man, when he would quite clearly have been of different ethnic origin.
Plus, when the books were mostly written, they were set in a time when a black, British secret agent would have been impossible, I would have thought (or at least highly unlikely). But the films are set in a more modern setting, and it is appropriate that they should be updated for a different world.
If you think about it, if you slavishly followed the characteristics of fictional characters from the past 300/400 years of British culture, the characters that a black actor could play would be severely limited, restricted to servants, members of the underclass etc - which would clearly be wrong. |  |
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