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Electric cars are not environmentally friendly. There is a huge loss in transmitting power across the national grid. Also the manufacture of batteries is not a clean process. The best solution is petrol.
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So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 08:32 - Jul 26 with 7507 views
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 08:13 - Jul 26 by TLA
It's still rare to see cars plugged in to charging stations. Things will have to change very quickly, including the production of sustainable energy.
It is increasingly frequent. Most motorway services now have charging ranks.
The big breakthrough will not be battery size and storage, but battery life (i.e. the number of charges it can take before capacity is critically reduced).
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 08:33 - Jul 26 by Guthrum
It is increasingly frequent. Most motorway services now have charging ranks.
The big breakthrough will not be battery size and storage, but battery life (i.e. the number of charges it can take before capacity is critically reduced).
Fair enough - I should have mentioned that I live in Norfolk. We haven't moved on to steam trains yet!
The car park I use a lot in Norwich city centre has 4 or 5 charging bays and they are still often the only free spaces in the place.
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So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 09:03 - Jul 26 with 7401 views
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 08:33 - Jul 26 by Guthrum
It is increasingly frequent. Most motorway services now have charging ranks.
The big breakthrough will not be battery size and storage, but battery life (i.e. the number of charges it can take before capacity is critically reduced).
Nail on head, battery degregation over time, and a short period at that, is the problem.
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 08:33 - Jul 26 by Guthrum
It is increasingly frequent. Most motorway services now have charging ranks.
The big breakthrough will not be battery size and storage, but battery life (i.e. the number of charges it can take before capacity is critically reduced).
There is a lot of money going into battery research at the moment, companies like Tesla are pouring cash in. You are right though, degradation is the main issue followed by speed of charge. Unfortunately the two things are currently linked, you can make very fast charging batteries but they degrade much quicker.
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So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 09:57 - Jul 26 with 7299 views
Typical 'Now' thinking unfortunately. Where are we going to dispose of all these batteries? The additional eco-cost to manufacture them is bad enough, yet alone getting rid of them when they are knackered
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 09:57 - Jul 26 by Deano69
Typical 'Now' thinking unfortunately. Where are we going to dispose of all these batteries? The additional eco-cost to manufacture them is bad enough, yet alone getting rid of them when they are knackered
Hydrogen, that's where we should be heading.
There is some merit to hydrogen, the Japanese have invested heavily in it. It's quicker to fill up and the only byproduct from the fuel cell is water.
However there is a big elephant in the room with hydrogen - how are you going to make it? It requires a large amount of electricity.
SB
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So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 10:01 - Jul 26 with 7282 views
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 09:59 - Jul 26 by StokieBlue
There is some merit to hydrogen, the Japanese have invested heavily in it. It's quicker to fill up and the only byproduct from the fuel cell is water.
However there is a big elephant in the room with hydrogen - how are you going to make it? It requires a large amount of electricity.
SB
Probably less power than all those cars charging at home and work, plus there's no loss of energy with cars power dissipating even when standing still doing nothing. Can you imagine how many batteries Lorries and Buses/Coaches will require, the additional weight the carry and as previously mentioned, the disposal of all those toxic batteries...
You can get 100mpg from petrol these days. I have just order a diesel which is a Euro 6 engine, dealer reckons (nothing scientific that i am aware of) its cleaner than petrol. Its a large 3 litre car with just 129 g/km and will do 60mpg.
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 10:06 - Jul 26 by Deano69
Probably less power than all those cars charging at home and work, plus there's no loss of energy with cars power dissipating even when standing still doing nothing. Can you imagine how many batteries Lorries and Buses/Coaches will require, the additional weight the carry and as previously mentioned, the disposal of all those toxic batteries...
You can get 100mpg from petrol these days. I have just order a diesel which is a Euro 6 engine, dealer reckons (nothing scientific that i am aware of) its cleaner than petrol. Its a large 3 litre car with just 129 g/km and will do 60mpg.
There is a loss of energy when generating the hydrogen though, you can't beat thermodynamics. Was just highlighting that there are issues with all the fuels, the world needs to make a decision about which way to go.
If they can crack something like fusion (looking unlikely any time soon) then any of them are fine as it's basically unlimited clean energy.
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So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 10:12 - Jul 26 with 7233 views
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 10:09 - Jul 26 by StokieBlue
There is a loss of energy when generating the hydrogen though, you can't beat thermodynamics. Was just highlighting that there are issues with all the fuels, the world needs to make a decision about which way to go.
If they can crack something like fusion (looking unlikely any time soon) then any of them are fine as it's basically unlimited clean energy.
SB
Saw a really interesting short film on thermodynamics which explains why self perpetuating machines cant work (Light bulb powering its own solar panel etc). See if i can find it.
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 10:06 - Jul 26 by Deano69
Probably less power than all those cars charging at home and work, plus there's no loss of energy with cars power dissipating even when standing still doing nothing. Can you imagine how many batteries Lorries and Buses/Coaches will require, the additional weight the carry and as previously mentioned, the disposal of all those toxic batteries...
You can get 100mpg from petrol these days. I have just order a diesel which is a Euro 6 engine, dealer reckons (nothing scientific that i am aware of) its cleaner than petrol. Its a large 3 litre car with just 129 g/km and will do 60mpg.
So you've ordered a diesel... so presumably it's still a better option for you than petrol, and despite the rise in taxation on diesels over the next few years?
I'm hoping to be able to replace my car soon(ish), although not as soon as I'd like. I tend to average between 16k-18k miles per year, and have always had diesel. My leaning would be towards diesel again, but unsure what the threshold would be now as to which works out better costwise to buy and run? I'd be looking at used (from 15 plate onwards) rather than new in all likelihood, but unsure of which is seen as the best option these days on that kind of mileage.
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 10:12 - Jul 26 by Deano69
Saw a really interesting short film on thermodynamics which explains why self perpetuating machines cant work (Light bulb powering its own solar panel etc). See if i can find it.
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 10:08 - Jul 26 by GlasgowBlue
Wasn't the decision to push people into using diesel a direct response to the Kyoto Treaty based on the evidence to hand?
Wasn't that evidence and decision completely wrong?
Wasn't that aroungpd the time we were told the Hymalya glaciers were melting and that the next generation of children wouldn't know what snow was?
Yes, because t hey produce low co2 compared to petrol. Unfortunately it turns out that they produce lots of other bad stuff, particulates and nitrous oxide which between them are bad for health, have a greenhouse effect and deplete ozone.
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 10:14 - Jul 26 by hoppy
So you've ordered a diesel... so presumably it's still a better option for you than petrol, and despite the rise in taxation on diesels over the next few years?
I'm hoping to be able to replace my car soon(ish), although not as soon as I'd like. I tend to average between 16k-18k miles per year, and have always had diesel. My leaning would be towards diesel again, but unsure what the threshold would be now as to which works out better costwise to buy and run? I'd be looking at used (from 15 plate onwards) rather than new in all likelihood, but unsure of which is seen as the best option these days on that kind of mileage.
No one seems to be able to define the 'taxation' expected and it seems aimed at engines not Euro 6 compliant. I change cars every 3 years so the will get a chance to bail out if it gets silly.
I do about 10/12k a year but don't have the worry of company car tax meaning I can shop for the best monthly deal rather than looking at the car emissions, purchase cost or maintenance cost.
We worked out that 8k or less per year, Petrol was better value as most manufacturers charge extra for the diesel version, and working out the mpg it meant petrol cars worked out cheaper to run. I would seriously look at PCP or Contract Hire of new cars rather than used, you get full warranty, breakdown cover, often a daft deal. Depends on how choosy you are with you cars and whether its a private or company purchase (which is another ball game all together)
Looked at an audi for my other half a couple of years back, the demonstrator with 6000 miles on it, was going to cost £39 a month more than a new one. It did have a slightly higher spec but nothing we wanted (poncy sound system and sport seats). As it turned out we got an even better deal from BMW so went to them.
Happy to chat it through with you, think you've got my number.
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 10:21 - Jul 26 by GeoffSentence
Yes, because t hey produce low co2 compared to petrol. Unfortunately it turns out that they produce lots of other bad stuff, particulates and nitrous oxide which between them are bad for health, have a greenhouse effect and deplete ozone.
So the experts were wrong.
I wonder what else they are wrong about?
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 10:26 - Jul 26 by chicoazul
So the experts were wrong.
I wonder what else they are wrong about?
They weren't wrong.
Greenhouse gases and particulates are two different things. They were entirely correct that diesels are better with regards to the gases but bad with regards to air pollution.
SB
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So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 10:31 - Jul 26 with 7159 views
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 10:14 - Jul 26 by hoppy
So you've ordered a diesel... so presumably it's still a better option for you than petrol, and despite the rise in taxation on diesels over the next few years?
I'm hoping to be able to replace my car soon(ish), although not as soon as I'd like. I tend to average between 16k-18k miles per year, and have always had diesel. My leaning would be towards diesel again, but unsure what the threshold would be now as to which works out better costwise to buy and run? I'd be looking at used (from 15 plate onwards) rather than new in all likelihood, but unsure of which is seen as the best option these days on that kind of mileage.
Hops if you're looking at cars 15 plate onwards then you must go for petrol as the engines are far more economical than they were a few years back.
Also with Diesels they need a decent run to get the economy, also if you don't do many miles you will face issues with filters clogging up.
I also think the govt are going to start hammering diesel owners very soon.
So not long ago we were encouraged to buy diesel cars on 10:27 - Jul 26 by StokieBlue
They weren't wrong.
Greenhouse gases and particulates are two different things. They were entirely correct that diesels are better with regards to the gases but bad with regards to air pollution.
SB
They recommended people buy diesel. I myself bought one pretty much on that basis. *Now* they say diesels are bad for the environment. They were wrong.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
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