'Style of play' 17:15 - Jul 30 with 9471 views | Johnny_Boy | I can't see MM changing his pragmatic ways for this impending season. IMHO. I anyone disagrees with me, feel free to discuss why you think otherwise. | | | | |
'Style of play' on 17:22 - Jul 30 with 7254 views | blueislander | Unusual use of the word "pragmatic" could you please explain ? | | | |
'Style of play' on 17:22 - Jul 30 with 7261 views | SomethingBlue | I neither agree nor disagree — I'm going to wait and see what happens. We all think we can second-guess others but the majority of us are rubbish at it. | |
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'Style of play' on 17:22 - Jul 30 with 7258 views | Garv | Mick knows the only way to get the fans on side in the short term was talk about passing football. Reality is the football will be the same, a means to an end...or a point. | |
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'Style of play' on 17:49 - Jul 30 with 7218 views | Johnny_Boy |
'Style of play' on 17:22 - Jul 30 by blueislander | Unusual use of the word "pragmatic" could you please explain ? |
His brand is perhaps practical - avoiding all types of risk. The fans made it clear last season the uninspiring style of play wouldn't be defended anymore. He's not silly. He understands that. But is he realistically able to do anything about it? | | | |
'Style of play' on 17:52 - Jul 30 with 7209 views | Steve_M |
'Style of play' on 17:49 - Jul 30 by Johnny_Boy | His brand is perhaps practical - avoiding all types of risk. The fans made it clear last season the uninspiring style of play wouldn't be defended anymore. He's not silly. He understands that. But is he realistically able to do anything about it? |
And yet we went to the best passing side in the league last season and played very openly. We lost at Fulham but it wasn't because we were 'pragmatic'. The real issue is that we don't have a clear style of play and haven't consistently since the end of the 14/15 season. There have been odd spells that have worked and then it's slipped. | |
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'Style of play' on 17:57 - Jul 30 with 7181 views | blueislander |
'Style of play' on 17:49 - Jul 30 by Johnny_Boy | His brand is perhaps practical - avoiding all types of risk. The fans made it clear last season the uninspiring style of play wouldn't be defended anymore. He's not silly. He understands that. But is he realistically able to do anything about it? |
If it avoids all types of risk, how come we lose so many matches? | | | |
'Style of play' on 18:06 - Jul 30 with 7163 views | Pilgrimblue |
'Style of play' on 17:52 - Jul 30 by Steve_M | And yet we went to the best passing side in the league last season and played very openly. We lost at Fulham but it wasn't because we were 'pragmatic'. The real issue is that we don't have a clear style of play and haven't consistently since the end of the 14/15 season. There have been odd spells that have worked and then it's slipped. |
That's very true and had Sears taken his chances we may not have lost. MM realised that the style he likes wasn't working and so made attempts to change ie 532 and keeping ball on ground but when that didn't work he changed back. This seemed to affect the players confidence at times esp at QPR when it looked good then he reverted to plan A. | | | |
'Style of play' on 19:20 - Jul 30 with 7079 views | Johnny_Boy |
'Style of play' on 17:57 - Jul 30 by blueislander | If it avoids all types of risk, how come we lose so many matches? |
There's a big difference sending a team out onto the pitch with the sole intention of "not losing", or setting your stalls out to go out & win. | | | | Login to get fewer ads
'Style of play' on 19:26 - Jul 30 with 7061 views | Coco |
'Style of play' on 17:57 - Jul 30 by blueislander | If it avoids all types of risk, how come we lose so many matches? |
Another polarised argument. Bravo. We all know as does everyone in the footballing universe that Mick plays a dull, defensive game of percentages. He is unlikely to ever change this. | |
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'Style of play' on 19:43 - Jul 30 with 7032 views | Johnny_Boy |
'Style of play' on 19:26 - Jul 30 by Coco | Another polarised argument. Bravo. We all know as does everyone in the footballing universe that Mick plays a dull, defensive game of percentages. He is unlikely to ever change this. |
Blueislander is more than happy to disagree with me, but he's not put a particularly well-polished defence of Mick's 'swashbuckling' ethos. It's all very well picking holes in my description of his stale brand, but even the die hard of MM fans can't keep defending it. | | | |
'Style of play' on 19:52 - Jul 30 with 7019 views | PJH | From my personal point of view the only thing that I think needs to change from last season is a big improvement in results. I am not in the least bothered about style of play, I just want to see my team win. If the winning is accompanied by a flowing brand of football then fine but in my view it is the winning that matters as (in my view) it should be for any professional sports team/person. I do not recall anytime in the last approaching 60 years that I have put 'style' ahead of results-several times over the years I have been lucky enough to have both but one far outweighs the other in my eyes. | | | |
'Style of play' on 19:58 - Jul 30 with 6999 views | Coco |
'Style of play' on 19:52 - Jul 30 by PJH | From my personal point of view the only thing that I think needs to change from last season is a big improvement in results. I am not in the least bothered about style of play, I just want to see my team win. If the winning is accompanied by a flowing brand of football then fine but in my view it is the winning that matters as (in my view) it should be for any professional sports team/person. I do not recall anytime in the last approaching 60 years that I have put 'style' ahead of results-several times over the years I have been lucky enough to have both but one far outweighs the other in my eyes. |
thats just weird to me but each to their own. | |
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'Style of play' on 20:02 - Jul 30 with 6987 views | PJH |
'Style of play' on 19:58 - Jul 30 by Coco | thats just weird to me but each to their own. |
It actually seems weird to me that anyone that supports any football team does not put the result first. A spectator or neutral would go for style but a supporter, I believe, should put their team winning ahead of anything else. As you say, each to their own. | | | |
'Style of play' on 20:04 - Jul 30 with 6984 views | Yallop |
'Style of play' on 19:52 - Jul 30 by PJH | From my personal point of view the only thing that I think needs to change from last season is a big improvement in results. I am not in the least bothered about style of play, I just want to see my team win. If the winning is accompanied by a flowing brand of football then fine but in my view it is the winning that matters as (in my view) it should be for any professional sports team/person. I do not recall anytime in the last approaching 60 years that I have put 'style' ahead of results-several times over the years I have been lucky enough to have both but one far outweighs the other in my eyes. |
I couldn't have put this any better myself. I agree 100%. Regardless of long ball or tippy tappy I just want to see us challenging for promotion and ultimately playing in the Prem again before I peg it. | | | |
'Style of play' on 20:17 - Jul 30 with 6937 views | CaptMickMills | Unfortunately I tend to agree | | | |
'Style of play' on 20:20 - Jul 30 with 6925 views | wkj |
'Style of play' on 20:04 - Jul 30 by Yallop | I couldn't have put this any better myself. I agree 100%. Regardless of long ball or tippy tappy I just want to see us challenging for promotion and ultimately playing in the Prem again before I peg it. |
As do I, and then I want to see the Premier League die, and the whole league system combine under a one entity league structure (RIP: EPL vs EFL) I hold little hope that either is going to happen. | |
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'Style of play' on 20:21 - Jul 30 with 6927 views | Mark | Under Burley we played a very pragmatic style, passing attacking football. I reject the premise that long ball is more effective. However, I am not sure how capable McCarthy is of developing a passing side. | | | |
'Style of play' on 20:22 - Jul 30 with 6918 views | blueislander |
'Style of play' on 19:43 - Jul 30 by Johnny_Boy | Blueislander is more than happy to disagree with me, but he's not put a particularly well-polished defence of Mick's 'swashbuckling' ethos. It's all very well picking holes in my description of his stale brand, but even the die hard of MM fans can't keep defending it. |
I think that you have completely misunderstood me. I was appalled when McCarthy was appointed manager of Ipswich Town. I recognise the job he did in avoiding relegation, but after that, despite the reative sucees of the following season, the team has performed exactly as I feared. | | | |
'Style of play' on 20:23 - Jul 30 with 6909 views | Yallop |
'Style of play' on 20:20 - Jul 30 by wkj | As do I, and then I want to see the Premier League die, and the whole league system combine under a one entity league structure (RIP: EPL vs EFL) I hold little hope that either is going to happen. |
Can't say I worry about that stuff. I'm just tired of travelling to the Barnsley's and Blackburn's and want to see us at Anfield or Old Trafford again. | | | |
'Style of play' on 20:26 - Jul 30 with 6890 views | Herbivore |
'Style of play' on 19:58 - Jul 30 by Coco | thats just weird to me but each to their own. |
You think it's weird that an Ipswich fan's main concern is to see Ipswich win? | |
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'Style of play' on 20:29 - Jul 30 with 6870 views | blueislander |
'Style of play' on 20:20 - Jul 30 by wkj | As do I, and then I want to see the Premier League die, and the whole league system combine under a one entity league structure (RIP: EPL vs EFL) I hold little hope that either is going to happen. |
Like you I would love that to happen, but, unfortunately , it is just pie in the sky. | | | |
'Style of play' on 20:42 - Jul 30 with 6836 views | Coco |
'Style of play' on 20:26 - Jul 30 by Herbivore | You think it's weird that an Ipswich fan's main concern is to see Ipswich win? |
I agree that the result comes first but ultimately i want the club to a philosophy and a culture. In a one off game by all means play it long and play it ugly in order to win but surely you need to actually have a long term plan dont you? It seems incredibly short sighted to just instruct your team on a game by game basis to just role up your sleeves and grab those three points! The foundations of the club should be built on a solid philosophy. Simplistic to just say its only the result that matters because that's patently obvious. But thats just me. And maybe cruyff, robson and ferguson..... 😠| |
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'Style of play' on 20:51 - Jul 30 with 6819 views | PJH |
'Style of play' on 20:42 - Jul 30 by Coco | I agree that the result comes first but ultimately i want the club to a philosophy and a culture. In a one off game by all means play it long and play it ugly in order to win but surely you need to actually have a long term plan dont you? It seems incredibly short sighted to just instruct your team on a game by game basis to just role up your sleeves and grab those three points! The foundations of the club should be built on a solid philosophy. Simplistic to just say its only the result that matters because that's patently obvious. But thats just me. And maybe cruyff, robson and ferguson..... 😠|
But if you are agreeing that its only the result that matters why does it matter how it is achieved? I do not know how old you are so I do not know how much you saw of SBR's teams but a lot of his early success was built on playing the ball forward to Trevor Whymatk and having hard running midfield players-sorry if I am telling you something that you witnessed yourself. Cruyff was different because he was part of the Ajax and Dutch National team total football so I do not doubt that he would not be partial to the long ball game. | | | |
'Style of play' on 21:00 - Jul 30 with 6804 views | Johnny_Boy |
'Style of play' on 20:51 - Jul 30 by PJH | But if you are agreeing that its only the result that matters why does it matter how it is achieved? I do not know how old you are so I do not know how much you saw of SBR's teams but a lot of his early success was built on playing the ball forward to Trevor Whymatk and having hard running midfield players-sorry if I am telling you something that you witnessed yourself. Cruyff was different because he was part of the Ajax and Dutch National team total football so I do not doubt that he would not be partial to the long ball game. |
I think we're all agreed to suggest that the best players cost the most money. The more you spend, you'd naturally think the squad will improve. Yes, there are notable exceptions, but as a whole - you want goals, you spend 50m+ on a striker. If you don't have that kind of elite money, you need to nurture that improvement organically. I don't think that is happening. | | | |
'Style of play' on 21:05 - Jul 30 with 6792 views | Coco |
'Style of play' on 20:51 - Jul 30 by PJH | But if you are agreeing that its only the result that matters why does it matter how it is achieved? I do not know how old you are so I do not know how much you saw of SBR's teams but a lot of his early success was built on playing the ball forward to Trevor Whymatk and having hard running midfield players-sorry if I am telling you something that you witnessed yourself. Cruyff was different because he was part of the Ajax and Dutch National team total football so I do not doubt that he would not be partial to the long ball game. |
No thats a fair point. I think the difference with Robson is that he had the ability to mix it up and played 'clever' football if you like. He knew how to exploit weaknesess and was always thinking long term. Buying promising young players to fit to a system that will improve year on year as he proved here and with Newcastle. Burley followed this. My problem with Mick is that he is stubbornly one dimensional and when it isnt working its just awful to watch. It's predictable. It annoys that that every year its almost screw it up and start again. Short termism is what has killed us since ME imho. | |
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