| Cricket: Ashes Squad 10:21 - Sep 27 with 9060 views | Reuser_is_God |
Looks weak to me, no real depth in there. Really hope one of the starting XI don't need a rest/gets injured.
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:26 - Sep 27 with 7161 views | Steve_M |
I'm not sure why so many people seem surprised at the squad, obviously Stokes hasn't helped things this week but it was always going to look broadly like this with a couple of question marks.
Basically, how England do depends a lot on whether Stoneman and Malan get enough runs to support Cook and Root then we have a platform for the middle order players and how well England bowl after Anderson and Broad.
We'll lose the series I think but hopefully respectably. |  |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:27 - Sep 27 with 7161 views | chicoazul |
Bit surprised and disappointed they haven't gone for Hales. But in general it looks pretty good. Need to have at least 1 of Vince Malan Ballance find some form as we can't go down there relying on only 3 of our top 6 batters to do the damage.
I would also have gone with Plunkett for pace but they are hoping Woakes can give that I guess, I have no idea about Overton (weird name for a bowler). |  |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:28 - Sep 27 with 7156 views | ITFC_Forever |
Couple of injuries we could do without preventing a couple of players going who I think more than deserve it, Toby Roland-Jones especially.
And why isn't Buttler going? Injured? Would have thought he would be a more than decent back-up wk and can score runs when in the mood as well. |  |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:28 - Sep 27 with 7149 views | chicoazul |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:28 - Sep 27 by ITFC_Forever |
Couple of injuries we could do without preventing a couple of players going who I think more than deserve it, Toby Roland-Jones especially.
And why isn't Buttler going? Injured? Would have thought he would be a more than decent back-up wk and can score runs when in the mood as well. |
He hardly plays red ball cricket anymjore. | |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:30 - Sep 27 with 7134 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:28 - Sep 27 by chicoazul |
He hardly plays red ball cricket anymjore. |
That'll explain it.... shame, as he's definitely good enough for back-up. | |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:30 - Sep 27 with 7128 views | Steve_M |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:28 - Sep 27 by ITFC_Forever |
Couple of injuries we could do without preventing a couple of players going who I think more than deserve it, Toby Roland-Jones especially.
And why isn't Buttler going? Injured? Would have thought he would be a more than decent back-up wk and can score runs when in the mood as well. |
Roland-Jones is injured isn't he? Stress fracture of the back. | |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:32 - Sep 27 with 7119 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:27 - Sep 27 by chicoazul |
Bit surprised and disappointed they haven't gone for Hales. But in general it looks pretty good. Need to have at least 1 of Vince Malan Ballance find some form as we can't go down there relying on only 3 of our top 6 batters to do the damage.
I would also have gone with Plunkett for pace but they are hoping Woakes can give that I guess, I have no idea about Overton (weird name for a bowler). |
Overton is your typical English quick bowler.
Not that quick (compared to genuine quick bowlers) & just bowls short. | |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:33 - Sep 27 with 7110 views | Barneycurley |
We have ali and stokes which should allow a decent team the luxury of picking 4 bowlers. I just dont get that jimmy broad and woakes are going to cause many problems.
Basically
Gabba - ball moves about for an hour or 2 then flat doesn't suit
Adelaide - spins a bit late and poss being a day nighter the seamers might move the ball a bit
Waca - forget it too pacy we'll get rolled
Mcg - see gabba to a certain extent
Sydney - dead rubber anyway
3 - 1 to them alas
But I'd love to be proved wrong |  |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:33 - Sep 27 with 7107 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:30 - Sep 27 by Steve_M |
Roland-Jones is injured isn't he? Stress fracture of the back. |
Yes, that's what I meant (and worded poorly) by injuries restricting our options in some areas, his injury especially. | |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:39 - Sep 27 with 7084 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
Most of it is pretty much as expected but there a few calls that seem questionable..
Vince - Assume he's in to bat at 3 which he hasn't been part of England side for a while
Crane - We seem desperate to get him in the team, yes he's young and has lots of potential but would rather have seen Leech given a go
Overton - I half expected Finn to get the nod even though he's not played well this season. He is possibly the only English 'fast' bowler that can terrify batsmen when he's on song
But I think the daftest thing about all of this is why weren't some of these playing in the South Africa or Windies tests? We will be going into an ashes series blind in terms of whether some of the squad are up to that challenge... which put a whole lot of pressure on the more established players |  | | |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:45 - Sep 27 with 7059 views | Guthrum |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:28 - Sep 27 by chicoazul |
He hardly plays red ball cricket anymjore. |
Hales similarly, at international level, anyway. [Post edited 27 Sep 2017 10:46]
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:47 - Sep 27 with 7055 views | Guthrum |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:30 - Sep 27 by Steve_M |
Roland-Jones is injured isn't he? Stress fracture of the back. |
Which is a tremendous shame. Would love to have seen him steaming in on fast Aussie pitches. | |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:53 - Sep 27 with 7034 views | bluewein |
Good to see Ballance gets yet another chance. The 78 runs he adds to the series will be invaluable.
Seriously, how does he get so many chances...? |  |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:55 - Sep 27 with 7028 views | IpswichKnight |
Can't say i'm that surprised but least we forget Australia have problems too.
Smith and Warner are proper class but there isn't much else in that batting line up and they have the same problems as us in that they have problems with 2nd opener and at 5 plus the wicketkeeper/batsman isn't getting any runs.
They have battery of very good bowlers but they are never all fit if they can get them all fit for all 5 tests then we will have problems but that's been a real problem for them.
Lyon is like HRH king of Spain Ashley Giles vastly underated but is a class operator.
Don't think an Adelaide test has gone to 4 days since it's become a day nighter! the ball hoops around all night! |  | | |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:56 - Sep 27 with 7028 views | SWGF |
As long as Cook and Root can each get a double-hundred in every innings, I see no issues. |  |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 11:06 - Sep 27 with 6997 views | Guthrum |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:56 - Sep 27 by SWGF |
As long as Cook and Root can each get a double-hundred in every innings, I see no issues. |
Rather harsh - Stokes (if not locked up), Ali and Bairstow are all capable of big scores, plus Woakes and Malan.
There's just the perennial concern about openers and early wickets. | |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 11:07 - Sep 27 with 6992 views | gordon |
Very difficult to see how James Vince gets back in; averaged less than 20 in 7 tests, didn't look a test match player. This season in the county championship he's averaged about 30, no reason for a recall. A top order of Cook-Stoneman-Vince looks desperately weak to me. I'd've definitely taken Alex Hales instead of Vince, but I'd have him instead of Stoneman as well.
Mason Crane has had a good summer in T20, but in first-class cricket has been pretty disappointing, I'd rather they chose Jack Leach, who has been the standout spinner in the championship for two years.
With the batting so weak I'd expect Ben Foakes to be given a go as a specialist batsmen at 5 at some point and do pretty well. [Post edited 27 Sep 2017 11:08]
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 11:10 - Sep 27 with 6977 views | gordon |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:30 - Sep 27 by ITFC_Forever |
That'll explain it.... shame, as he's definitely good enough for back-up. |
Ben Foakes has been doing brilliantly at Surrey for the past couple of years, definitely deserves a chance, is thought to be the best wicketkeeper in the country, and averages over 40 with the bat in first-class cricket. | | | |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 11:18 - Sep 27 with 6956 views | gordon |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:55 - Sep 27 by IpswichKnight |
Can't say i'm that surprised but least we forget Australia have problems too.
Smith and Warner are proper class but there isn't much else in that batting line up and they have the same problems as us in that they have problems with 2nd opener and at 5 plus the wicketkeeper/batsman isn't getting any runs.
They have battery of very good bowlers but they are never all fit if they can get them all fit for all 5 tests then we will have problems but that's been a real problem for them.
Lyon is like HRH king of Spain Ashley Giles vastly underated but is a class operator.
Don't think an Adelaide test has gone to 4 days since it's become a day nighter! the ball hoops around all night! |
Matt Renshaw has done pretty well as opener, and Peter Handscomb has been excellent at 4. Glenn Maxwell and Cartwright at 5 and 6 are dangerous but possibly vulnerable.
I hope I'm wrong, but I think it could be pretty one-sided, our batting line-up just isn't good enough to cope with their attack - Ballance, Vince, Malan and Stoneman are going to get a pretty good working over. If Cook doesn't find any decent form, could be some pretty painful scorecards. | | | |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 11:46 - Sep 27 with 6912 views | JakeITFC |
Think they really want to get Ballance in at three.
Stoneman has looked alright in the Windies series but must feel fortunate that he's got the selection on being the incumbent.
Vince/Ballance/Malan all have their flaws; Vince the pick of them for me (and you'd certainly have him over Westley given they both get out driving and Vince is the classier of the two).
Stokes/Bairstow/Ali is (hopefully) a set and destructive middle order.
I worry that we pick Woakes, Broad, Anderson and Ball/Crane and end up with a fairly toothless attack if the ball isn't swinging. I'd have 100% had Finn - glad they've taken a risk on Overton over Wood, but just doesn't have the pace and hit the deck differential that Finn can have (and interestingly his brother certainly has had in the last). |  | | |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 11:55 - Sep 27 with 6903 views | BullardsMagicMullet |
Complete lack of pace, all the seamers are around 80-85mph.
Crane is being thrown into the deep end, don't the selectors remember what they done to Kerrigan?
Balance has been found out 3 times to have a faulty technique, he has never changed a thing so what makes them think he will be able to do it on fast bouncy tracks?
Vince averages 30 in the last 2 championship season's, he makes pretty quick runs and nicks off or drills a catch to cover.
Absolutely no confidence in the selectors. |  |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 11:57 - Sep 27 with 6896 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 10:53 - Sep 27 by bluewein |
Good to see Ballance gets yet another chance. The 78 runs he adds to the series will be invaluable.
Seriously, how does he get so many chances...? |
We have selected a plethora of number 5 batsmen but no real obvious number 3.
I just hope we don't return to Ballance at 3 as it's never worked, he is a decent number 5 gritty middle order batsmen who can occupy an end.
The question then is, do we really believe Vince can contribute at 3? He will play a couple of lovely cover drives before driving and being caught at slip for 14.. pretty much the same as majority of our number 3 batsmen over past 5 years. | | | |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 12:09 - Sep 27 with 6865 views | SWGF |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 11:06 - Sep 27 by Guthrum |
Rather harsh - Stokes (if not locked up), Ali and Bairstow are all capable of big scores, plus Woakes and Malan.
There's just the perennial concern about openers and early wickets. |
Of course everyone's CAPABLE of scoring runs. However, IMO 3 of the top five put too much pressure on Stokes, Bairstow and Ali having to dig them out far too often. Brilliantly entertaining dispatching West Indies at home. Slightly different prospect at the WACA with the ball flying around your earhole at 95mph with 20,000 Aussies baying for blood! | |
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| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 12:23 - Sep 27 with 6842 views | gordon |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 11:55 - Sep 27 by BullardsMagicMullet |
Complete lack of pace, all the seamers are around 80-85mph.
Crane is being thrown into the deep end, don't the selectors remember what they done to Kerrigan?
Balance has been found out 3 times to have a faulty technique, he has never changed a thing so what makes them think he will be able to do it on fast bouncy tracks?
Vince averages 30 in the last 2 championship season's, he makes pretty quick runs and nicks off or drills a catch to cover.
Absolutely no confidence in the selectors. |
It might be that Trevor Bayliss has decided that he's fed up with 'new' players he doesn't know coming into the set-up, and would rather stick at it with players who've already been around the team.
But it seems to me that England cricket has to know enough about the younger talented batsmen in the championship like Liam Livingstone, Dan Lawrence and Joe Clarke to decide they are ready to step up. The recalls for Ballance and Vince are very strange decisions, and previously Malan was selected for the test team almost solely on the basis of a great debut in T20. | | | |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 12:40 - Sep 27 with 6810 views | BullardsMagicMullet |
| Cricket: Ashes Squad on 12:23 - Sep 27 by gordon |
It might be that Trevor Bayliss has decided that he's fed up with 'new' players he doesn't know coming into the set-up, and would rather stick at it with players who've already been around the team.
But it seems to me that England cricket has to know enough about the younger talented batsmen in the championship like Liam Livingstone, Dan Lawrence and Joe Clarke to decide they are ready to step up. The recalls for Ballance and Vince are very strange decisions, and previously Malan was selected for the test team almost solely on the basis of a great debut in T20. |
Perhaps they are worried about the younger batsman being scarred by a thumping on quick bouncy tracks and a hostile atmosphere?
Both teams batting are similar, relying on 2 players in the top 6 to get the bulk of the runs. Whoever bats best as a unit will win this series. | |
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