| If you're English.... 15:33 - Oct 11 with 18276 views | itfcjoe |
....are you proud to be English?
I am personally, but seems like more people these days are ashamed to be English rather than proud of it. |  |
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| If you're English.... on 15:37 - Oct 11 with 7202 views | The_Romford_Blue |
You should never be ashamed to be English. As people in England, we are lucky. Ok the weather is a bit sh1t and there's the occasional terrorist attack but there's no wars, no mass famine, a Tescos near most houses.
We haven't drawn the shirt straw being English. A short straw would be being born as Syrian in a war or in Ghana having to walk 15 miles for a drink of water. So for that I'm grateful.
I may moan about the national football team but I'm still glad to be English. |  |
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| If you're English.... on 15:38 - Oct 11 with 7193 views | SpruceMoose |
What's to be proud of? It was just pure chance where I tumbled out of my mother.
However, it's easy to see why people might feel ashamed of the actions of the fellow people they get lumped in with. |  |
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| If you're English.... on 15:41 - Oct 11 with 7179 views | LankHenners |
Or neither.
I certainly wouldn't say I feel pride about being English, and I wouldn't say I was ashamed. Fortunate, yes, considering the hardships that many people in the world are born into, but proud? No. |  |
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| If you're English.... on 15:41 - Oct 11 with 7179 views | bluewein |
Do you ever look at the beginning of a thread and think "this can't end well..."?
Yes I am, btw. |  |
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| If you're English.... on 15:41 - Oct 11 with 7166 views | caught-in-limbo |
I am neither proud nor ashamed to be English.
I wasn't responsible for my country's past, whether it was good or bad, nor am I responsible for the actions of my country today. The idea of being proud or ashamed of your nationality for most people is illogical in my opinion.
On the other hand, I feel I am lucky to have been born in England / Britain and be a UK passport holder. [Post edited 11 Oct 2017 15:42]
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| If you're English.... on 15:42 - Oct 11 with 7157 views | SpruceMoose |
| If you're English.... on 15:37 - Oct 11 by The_Romford_Blue |
You should never be ashamed to be English. As people in England, we are lucky. Ok the weather is a bit sh1t and there's the occasional terrorist attack but there's no wars, no mass famine, a Tescos near most houses.
We haven't drawn the shirt straw being English. A short straw would be being born as Syrian in a war or in Ghana having to walk 15 miles for a drink of water. So for that I'm grateful.
I may moan about the national football team but I'm still glad to be English. |
You seem to be conflating two things here. It is perfectly acceptable to be thankful to be living in a stable and safe environment, while considering some of the actions your country takes domestically and internationally to be shameful. | |
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| If you're English.... on 15:42 - Oct 11 with 7148 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| If you're English.... on 15:41 - Oct 11 by LankHenners |
Or neither.
I certainly wouldn't say I feel pride about being English, and I wouldn't say I was ashamed. Fortunate, yes, considering the hardships that many people in the world are born into, but proud? No. |
Fortunate is a better word for my feelings about being English actually. | |
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| If you're English.... on 15:43 - Oct 11 with 7139 views | hype313 |
| If you're English.... on 15:41 - Oct 11 by caught-in-limbo |
I am neither proud nor ashamed to be English.
I wasn't responsible for my country's past, whether it was good or bad, nor am I responsible for the actions of my country today. The idea of being proud or ashamed of your nationality for most people is illogical in my opinion.
On the other hand, I feel I am lucky to have been born in England / Britain and be a UK passport holder. [Post edited 11 Oct 2017 15:42]
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Was going to reply to the OP, but this is the more articulate post that I concur with. |  |
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| If you're English.... on 15:43 - Oct 11 with 7138 views | BlueinBrum |
| If you're English.... on 15:37 - Oct 11 by The_Romford_Blue |
You should never be ashamed to be English. As people in England, we are lucky. Ok the weather is a bit sh1t and there's the occasional terrorist attack but there's no wars, no mass famine, a Tescos near most houses.
We haven't drawn the shirt straw being English. A short straw would be being born as Syrian in a war or in Ghana having to walk 15 miles for a drink of water. So for that I'm grateful.
I may moan about the national football team but I'm still glad to be English. |
There's a difference between being GLAD to be English and being PROUD to be English.
I'd say i am the former but not really the latter.
You need to remember that the unfortunate circumstances you mention are not entirely unrelated to this country's ruthless exploitation of other parts of the world over several centuries.
Much of the long-standing wealth that this country enjoys is a direct result of exploitation, for example via brutal colonialism or the slave-trade. [Post edited 11 Oct 2017 15:43]
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| If you're English.... on 15:44 - Oct 11 with 7114 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| If you're English.... on 15:42 - Oct 11 by SpruceMoose |
You seem to be conflating two things here. It is perfectly acceptable to be thankful to be living in a stable and safe environment, while considering some of the actions your country takes domestically and internationally to be shameful. |
I know - I kind of got carried away in my head.
'Fortunate' is a far better word for my thoughts than 'proud' | |
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| If you're English.... on 15:45 - Oct 11 with 7090 views | Illinoisblue |
it's not where you're from, it's where you're at. |  |
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| If you're English.... on 15:46 - Oct 11 with 7075 views | SpruceMoose |
| If you're English.... on 15:41 - Oct 11 by bluewein |
Do you ever look at the beginning of a thread and think "this can't end well..."?
Yes I am, btw. |
Actually, this seems to be a bit of a relative love-in!
In the non-Norfolk sense. | |
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| If you're English.... on 15:46 - Oct 11 with 7075 views | Illinoisblue |
| If you're English.... on 15:38 - Oct 11 by SpruceMoose |
What's to be proud of? It was just pure chance where I tumbled out of my mother.
However, it's easy to see why people might feel ashamed of the actions of the fellow people they get lumped in with. |
bonus point for use of tumbled. Makes it sounds like a gymnastics move. | |
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| If you're English.... on 15:46 - Oct 11 with 7069 views | SpruceMoose |
| If you're English.... on 15:46 - Oct 11 by Illinoisblue |
bonus point for use of tumbled. Makes it sounds like a gymnastics move. |
Triple front pike with a flying elbow drop at the end. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| If you're English.... on 15:47 - Oct 11 with 7064 views | crunchie1978 |
I'm proud to be English.. ..but not proud of what it's become. |  | | |
| If you're English.... on 15:48 - Oct 11 with 7063 views | Darth_Koont |
No reason to be ashamed of being English.
But there are way too many very vocal "proud English" people who let you down. The sort of patriots who want to "defend" their country by being hateful to anyone else. I can imagine a lot of people just don't want to be associated with them. |  |
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| If you're English.... on 15:49 - Oct 11 with 7049 views | crunchie1978 |
| If you're English.... on 15:48 - Oct 11 by Darth_Koont |
No reason to be ashamed of being English.
But there are way too many very vocal "proud English" people who let you down. The sort of patriots who want to "defend" their country by being hateful to anyone else. I can imagine a lot of people just don't want to be associated with them. |
Depends on what you class as hate. | | | |
| If you're English.... on 15:50 - Oct 11 with 7042 views | chicoazul |
I am English and am neither ashamed nor proud. There isnt much to be ashamed or proud of. |  |
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| If you're English.... on 15:50 - Oct 11 with 7034 views | Darth_Koont |
| If you're English.... on 15:49 - Oct 11 by crunchie1978 |
Depends on what you class as hate. |
Not really. | |
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| If you're English.... on 15:58 - Oct 11 with 7002 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| If you're English.... on 15:49 - Oct 11 by crunchie1978 |
Depends on what you class as hate. |
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| If you're English.... on 15:59 - Oct 11 with 6992 views | SpruceMoose |
| If you're English.... on 15:50 - Oct 11 by Darth_Koont |
Not really. |
It's pretty straightforward, isn't it?  | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| If you're English.... on 16:00 - Oct 11 with 6981 views | hype313 |
| If you're English.... on 15:46 - Oct 11 by SpruceMoose |
Actually, this seems to be a bit of a relative love-in!
In the non-Norfolk sense. |
It's because Dolly hasn't entered the fray. | |
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| If you're English.... on 16:02 - Oct 11 with 6955 views | Benters |
I am a half breed English/Welsh and very proud of both countries. |  |
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| If you're English.... on 16:04 - Oct 11 with 6947 views | chicoazul |
Joe what are you proud of? Why are you proud to be English? | |
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| If you're English.... on 16:07 - Oct 11 with 6933 views | Heathlander |
I'm proud to be English but do struggle with the attitudes of some of my fellow Englishmen. Tolerance seems to be a thing of the past these days. |  | | |
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