| If only on 14:23 - Oct 17 with 4537 views | vapour_trail |
| If only on 13:11 - Oct 17 by nrb1985 |
There is literally nothing you could say to me about Blair that would stop me from wishing he ran the country today. |
He should be rotting away in prison, the murdering old bastard. |  |
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| If only on 14:34 - Oct 17 with 4516 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
Exactly. And the EU refused to negotiate so we left.
What's the downside exactly? I'm increasingly confident we will get a free trade deal and if we don't wto terms will be fine. |  | | |
| If only on 14:39 - Oct 17 with 4509 views | Archer4721 |
| If only on 14:34 - Oct 17 by FrowsyArmLarry |
Exactly. And the EU refused to negotiate so we left.
What's the downside exactly? I'm increasingly confident we will get a free trade deal and if we don't wto terms will be fine. |
My argument is that the liberals could've stopped it happening in the first place but once again they bottled out, in order keep hold of power. Now they want brexit scrapped? |  | | |
| If only on 14:52 - Oct 17 with 4487 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| If only on 14:39 - Oct 17 by Archer4721 |
My argument is that the liberals could've stopped it happening in the first place but once again they bottled out, in order keep hold of power. Now they want brexit scrapped? |
Unfortunately everyone thought a win for remain was a forgone conclusion which would shut down UKIP / anti EU MPs for good. That was true right up to the point the last votes were counted. Bit of a cock up eh? | | | |
| If only on 14:58 - Oct 17 with 4472 views | bluewein |
"The smartest politician of my lifetime"
If your judging being smart by "getting away with it" then he's right up there with OJ Simpson. |  |
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| If only on 15:07 - Oct 17 with 4455 views | Archer4721 |
| If only on 14:52 - Oct 17 by FrowsyArmLarry |
Unfortunately everyone thought a win for remain was a forgone conclusion which would shut down UKIP / anti EU MPs for good. That was true right up to the point the last votes were counted. Bit of a cock up eh? |
Yep it was a Tory in-fight though which put everybody off. Cameron and Gideon or Johnson and Gove.
Clegg should've stuck to his principles and said no.He was deputy Prime Minister ffs. But once again the lure of power got the better of him and made him prepared to take the risk.
He said this at time..
The Lib Dems, who are the junior partner in the UK's governing coalition, say pursuing a wholesale renegotiation of the UK's membership will cause uncertainty.
Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg, who is also deputy prime minister, said "years of uncertainty" caused by a future referendum would hit jobs and growth and this "was not in the national interest". [Post edited 17 Oct 2017 15:09]
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| If only on 15:11 - Oct 17 with 4449 views | nrb1985 |
| If only on 14:58 - Oct 17 by bluewein |
"The smartest politician of my lifetime"
If your judging being smart by "getting away with it" then he's right up there with OJ Simpson. |
You're debating that Blair is smart? Of all the things you could throw at him challenging his intellect is pretty low down that list...
His Bloomberg speech on Brexit earlier this year was masterful and showed a grasp of the subject matter that was way way way in advance of anything I saw either before or after the referendum. |  | | |
| If only on 15:15 - Oct 17 with 4443 views | vapour_trail |
What does that link prove? That crime pays. | |
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| If only on 15:23 - Oct 17 with 4436 views | bluewein |
| If only on 15:11 - Oct 17 by nrb1985 |
You're debating that Blair is smart? Of all the things you could throw at him challenging his intellect is pretty low down that list...
His Bloomberg speech on Brexit earlier this year was masterful and showed a grasp of the subject matter that was way way way in advance of anything I saw either before or after the referendum. |
Not denying he's smart.
Like I say, he got away with being a murderer. Pretty clever cookie I'd say. | |
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| If only on 15:56 - Oct 17 with 4415 views | BlueBadger |
| If only on 14:09 - Oct 17 by Archer4721 |
Why didn't the Liberals stop the referendum in the first place when they had the chance if the felt so strongly about it? |
Because they weren't in government. |  |
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| If only on 16:01 - Oct 17 with 4408 views | ElderGrizzly |
| If only on 14:09 - Oct 17 by Archer4721 |
Why didn't the Liberals stop the referendum in the first place when they had the chance if the felt so strongly about it? |
Why did Corbyn sack his own MPs from the front bench for trying to stand up to it, just to then change his mind to reflect their point of view 3 months later...
We stood up to it from day one of the referendum being announced. We haven’t flip-flopped depending on what Len McCluskey has said in a late night call |  | | |
| If only on 16:38 - Oct 17 with 4365 views | Archer4721 |
| If only on 15:56 - Oct 17 by BlueBadger |
Because they weren't in government. |
Yes they were. | | | |
| If only on 16:39 - Oct 17 with 4363 views | Archer4721 |
| If only on 16:01 - Oct 17 by ElderGrizzly |
Why did Corbyn sack his own MPs from the front bench for trying to stand up to it, just to then change his mind to reflect their point of view 3 months later...
We stood up to it from day one of the referendum being announced. We haven’t flip-flopped depending on what Len McCluskey has said in a late night call |
Sorry how has Corbyn got anything do to do with allowing the Tory's to have a referendum. | | | |
| If only on 16:42 - Oct 17 with 4358 views | GlasgowBlue |
| If only on 16:01 - Oct 17 by ElderGrizzly |
Why did Corbyn sack his own MPs from the front bench for trying to stand up to it, just to then change his mind to reflect their point of view 3 months later...
We stood up to it from day one of the referendum being announced. We haven’t flip-flopped depending on what Len McCluskey has said in a late night call |
A referndum commitment was in your 2010 Manifesto
"The European Union has evolved significantly since the last public vote on membership over thirty years ago. Liberal Democrats therefore remain committed to an in / out referendum the next time a British government signs up for fundamental change in the relationship between the UK and the EU". |  |
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| If only on 16:42 - Oct 17 with 4357 views | chicoazul |
| If only on 13:11 - Oct 17 by nrb1985 |
There is literally nothing you could say to me about Blair that would stop me from wishing he ran the country today. |
I believe there are many people who feel like this. |  |
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| If only on 16:55 - Oct 17 with 4338 views | nrb1985 |
| If only on 16:42 - Oct 17 by chicoazul |
I believe there are many people who feel like this. |
Not enough sadly. | | | |
| If only on 16:58 - Oct 17 with 4337 views | Archer4721 |
| If only on 16:42 - Oct 17 by GlasgowBlue |
A referndum commitment was in your 2010 Manifesto
"The European Union has evolved significantly since the last public vote on membership over thirty years ago. Liberal Democrats therefore remain committed to an in / out referendum the next time a British government signs up for fundamental change in the relationship between the UK and the EU". |
They also had a commitment in 2010 in which 57 Liberal Democrat MPs signed the NUS 'Funding Our Future' pledge to vote against an increase in tuition fees.
Your point? [Post edited 17 Oct 2017 16:59]
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| If only on 17:06 - Oct 17 with 4333 views | chicoazul |
| If only on 16:38 - Oct 17 by Archer4721 |
Yes they were. |
What are you talking about you halfwit? The referendum was promised by the Tories as part of their 2015 manifesto. Clegg and the LDs had nothing to do with it.
From your own link; David Cameron has said the British people must "have their say" on Europe as he pledged an in/out referendum if the Conservatives win the election. That's exactly what happened. Nothing to do with the Lib Dems. | |
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| If only on 17:10 - Oct 17 with 4320 views | chicoazul |
| If only on 16:42 - Oct 17 by GlasgowBlue |
A referndum commitment was in your 2010 Manifesto
"The European Union has evolved significantly since the last public vote on membership over thirty years ago. Liberal Democrats therefore remain committed to an in / out referendum the next time a British government signs up for fundamental change in the relationship between the UK and the EU". |
Plenty of wiggle room in that last sentence. | |
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| If only on 17:13 - Oct 17 with 4315 views | ElderGrizzly |
| If only on 17:10 - Oct 17 by chicoazul |
Plenty of wiggle room in that last sentence. |
Indeed.
We have in recent times always been a pro-EU party. This line was just covering all eventualities i assume. | | | |
| If only on 17:17 - Oct 17 with 4306 views | ElderGrizzly |
| If only on 16:39 - Oct 17 by Archer4721 |
Sorry how has Corbyn got anything do to do with allowing the Tory's to have a referendum. |
You were asking why we didn’t stop it (we couldn’t as a junior partner in Govt), but anyway.
I posted a link to point out Labour could have put pressure on the Tories to stop Article 50 and a harr brexit, but instead they sacked MPs who showed any kind of opposition to that happening.
Keir Starmer’s perfect world could have been closer had Labour had their sh*t together rather than trying to undermine and/or protect their leader.
In an unbiased opinion, both could have done more. Now with so few MPs we can’t. It’s over to your lot | | | |
| If only on 17:18 - Oct 17 with 4302 views | ElderGrizzly |
| If only on 16:58 - Oct 17 by Archer4721 |
They also had a commitment in 2010 in which 57 Liberal Democrat MPs signed the NUS 'Funding Our Future' pledge to vote against an increase in tuition fees.
Your point? [Post edited 17 Oct 2017 16:59]
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Is that like the Labour Manifesto pledge not to introduce tuition fees? | | | |
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