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Given that we can all agree that the Tories are in turmoil, a real snake pit of a party with various MP's jostling for positions to suit their own agenda, how the hell are the still polling 40% according to YouGov?
A YouGov poll for The Times found 34 per cent of voters say Mrs May is their preferred choice for prime minister, up one point since a month ago, with 31 per cent choosing Jeremy Corbyn, down 2 points, and 35 per cent saying they are not sure.
If Corbyn can't command a huge lead whilst the Tories are at war then he has no chance.
When you say "we all agree" who do you mean? I agree with you btw but the UK is not the TWTD message board which is why so many people were so dismayed and disappointed and amazed at the Brexit result. And if the choice is a binary one, May or Corbyn, then I would on balance say May.
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Everyone must know this, any decent Labour leader would now be PM, Jeremy Corbyn kept Teresa May as PM, the last election was there for the taking and Labour blew it by not replacing him.
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The current Tory disaster on 09:09 - Nov 10 with 10344 views
The current Tory disaster on 09:08 - Nov 10 by Basuco
Everyone must know this, any decent Labour leader would now be PM, Jeremy Corbyn kept Teresa May as PM, the last election was there for the taking and Labour blew it by not replacing him.
I don't know why people still think this.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
When you say "we all agree" who do you mean? I agree with you btw but the UK is not the TWTD message board which is why so many people were so dismayed and disappointed and amazed at the Brexit result. And if the choice is a binary one, May or Corbyn, then I would on balance say May.
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You might say May but on balance the baggage she brings with her isn't good - quite damaging in fact but she is to incompetent to deal with it Don't forget she was one of the UK worst HS
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The current Tory disaster on 09:10 - Nov 10 with 10341 views
You might say May but on balance the baggage she brings with her isn't good - quite damaging in fact but she is to incompetent to deal with it Don't forget she was one of the UK worst HS
If it's a simple binary choice then May over the Maximum Leader every time. Understand this is like asking me to pick my favourite Norwich player though.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
If it's a simple binary choice then May over the Maximum Leader every time. Understand this is like asking me to pick my favourite Norwich player though.
If it's a simple binary choice then May over the Maximum Leader every time. Understand this is like asking me to pick my favourite Norwich player though.
Can we have Wes Hoolahan for PM as an option?
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The current Tory disaster on 09:16 - Nov 10 with 10304 views
The current Tory disaster on 09:08 - Nov 10 by Basuco
Everyone must know this, any decent Labour leader would now be PM, Jeremy Corbyn kept Teresa May as PM, the last election was there for the taking and Labour blew it by not replacing him.
But to be candid the current mess is of tory making & it is going to go on for a long while & cost the taxpayer a fortune. At least if the other parties keep out of it thetories cant do their normal thing - pass the blame to others.
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(No subject) (n/t) on 09:20 - Nov 10 with 10287 views
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Because for a large number of people Corbyn and McDonnell remain utterly unelectable. That Corbyn has moved past being a totally inept leader doesn't necessarily make him a Prime Minister in waiting - although I'm not sure he can do much worse than May.
The current Tory disaster on 09:21 - Nov 10 by Steve_M
Because for a large number of people Corbyn and McDonnell remain utterly unelectable. That Corbyn has moved past being a totally inept leader doesn't necessarily make him a Prime Minister in waiting - although I'm not sure he can do much worse than May.
Is he not an inept leader though? He is a brilliant campaigner of course, he has been doing it for 50 years, and lots of people are very attracted to his politics. If he wasn't inept I think he would manage the Blairites who won Labour those elections properly and use them to really turn the screw on the Tories.
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The current Tory disaster on 09:23 - Nov 10 by chicoazul
Is he not an inept leader though? He is a brilliant campaigner of course, he has been doing it for 50 years, and lots of people are very attracted to his politics. If he wasn't inept I think he would manage the Blairites who won Labour those elections properly and use them to really turn the screw on the Tories.
Well, there are odd signs that he has got to grips with some aspects of the job: he's better at PM Questions, he's let Starmer pick holes in the Tories Brexit position for example.
Yes, there's a bit of intra-party turmoil, but so was there in the Major government of the '90s.
The sexual misconduct scandal is not party-specific.
There haven't been that many significant policy problems. Most people know that the Brexit negotiations would be extremely tricky whoever was conducting them (which is, I think, why Labour's criticism has been fairly muted and generic).
Much is made of May's weakness, but she has seen off the one feeble challenge to her leadership (the Shapps Affair) and is not afraid to force out senior ministers who misbehave (Fallon, Patel). She's even kept Johnson on a fairly tight leash (make of that image what you will).
The current Tory disaster on 09:10 - Nov 10 by WD19
No, they were comfortably within the margin of error.
Not great for picking a winner, granted, but in the context of the OP question not wildly out.
I don't buy the margin of error excuse. If something can be mathematically 5% out, for example, then the results would be scattered randomly within the 5% margin, but in the last two elections, all the polls were out in exactly the same direction, not scattered randomly. So even if they happened to be within the margin of error, which i'm not convinced they all were, they were still inaccurate. They also measure something that doesn't determine the result, so all in all it is a total waste of everybody's time.
The current Tory disaster on 09:54 - Nov 10 by Guthrum
Is it really so much of a disaster?
Yes, there's a bit of intra-party turmoil, but so was there in the Major government of the '90s.
The sexual misconduct scandal is not party-specific.
There haven't been that many significant policy problems. Most people know that the Brexit negotiations would be extremely tricky whoever was conducting them (which is, I think, why Labour's criticism has been fairly muted and generic).
Much is made of May's weakness, but she has seen off the one feeble challenge to her leadership (the Shapps Affair) and is not afraid to force out senior ministers who misbehave (Fallon, Patel). She's even kept Johnson on a fairly tight leash (make of that image what you will).
Ok, so what is the legislative agenda of this government. What is it actually doing?
The current Tory disaster on 09:54 - Nov 10 by Guthrum
Is it really so much of a disaster?
Yes, there's a bit of intra-party turmoil, but so was there in the Major government of the '90s.
The sexual misconduct scandal is not party-specific.
There haven't been that many significant policy problems. Most people know that the Brexit negotiations would be extremely tricky whoever was conducting them (which is, I think, why Labour's criticism has been fairly muted and generic).
Much is made of May's weakness, but she has seen off the one feeble challenge to her leadership (the Shapps Affair) and is not afraid to force out senior ministers who misbehave (Fallon, Patel). She's even kept Johnson on a fairly tight leash (make of that image what you will).
The tory war has been going on for decades and has done the country unquantifiable harm. A part of their strategy is almost certainly to create as much mayhem as possible until the electorate get fed up then let them get on with it.
We don't know what the policies are because as each tory speaker appears in the media we get told a different story none of which hold much water. Even in the HoC chamber they can't deliver a unified approach to anything.
There is a story there isn't there?
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The current Tory disaster on 10:07 - Nov 10 with 10167 views
I did this yesterday, I think it is that outside of the Westminster bubble and those of us who take an unhealthy interest in politics, most of this doesn't register. As longs as people are working and have money in their pockets then they could care less about whether Priti Patel had meetings in Israel.
The current Tory disaster on 10:03 - Nov 10 by vapour_trail
Ok, so what is the legislative agenda of this government. What is it actually doing?
Brexit and its wider ramifications, mostly. It is, after all, the biggest issue on the table at the moment.
Apart from that, welfare reform (Universal Credit), which has not been significantly derailed, however much of a shambles it actually is. The rest is mostly the usual minor tinkering.
The media love a crisis, which is why the infighting and scandals receive maximum coverage and policy relatively little.
The current Tory disaster on 10:06 - Nov 10 by No9
The tory war has been going on for decades and has done the country unquantifiable harm. A part of their strategy is almost certainly to create as much mayhem as possible until the electorate get fed up then let them get on with it.
We don't know what the policies are because as each tory speaker appears in the media we get told a different story none of which hold much water. Even in the HoC chamber they can't deliver a unified approach to anything.
There is a story there isn't there?
But how different is that to most other governments? The highly disciplined units of the early Thatcher and Blair periods are the exception rather than the rule.
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