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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' 23:50 - Nov 15 with 4493 viewsLibero

I've been doing a lot of reading lately about the influence of websites like 4chan and individuals like Richard Spencer who are pushing the alt right movement in the USA.

Check out this great lecture, really eye opening, well worth listening to.

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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 23:58 - Nov 15 with 1766 viewsbluemurder

Something tells me I don’t need to watch that to know it’s gonna say alt right is bad and only for thickos
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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 00:08 - Nov 16 with 1739 viewsLibero

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 23:58 - Nov 15 by bluemurder

Something tells me I don’t need to watch that to know it’s gonna say alt right is bad and only for thickos


Jesus Christ, you really are tiresome.

It's a neutral and academic point of view which attempts to decode, chronologise and spell out the main players and events in the recent cultural shift.

Maybe if you tried taking in this kind of information every once in a while you'd be more adequately informed and wouldn't consistently make such a tit of yourself on here.
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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 00:17 - Nov 16 with 1734 viewsHennersITFC

Coincidentally to you posting this Spencer (and Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) are whinging on Twitter that their blue ticks have been removed.

Did you see this last week where Gary Younge interviewed Spencer? Remarkable.


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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 00:28 - Nov 16 with 1709 viewsLibero

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 00:17 - Nov 16 by HennersITFC

Coincidentally to you posting this Spencer (and Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) are whinging on Twitter that their blue ticks have been removed.

Did you see this last week where Gary Younge interviewed Spencer? Remarkable.



I did, I thought it was a very thought provoking documentary but it barely scratched the surface.

Younge really conducted himself well when faced with alt-right supporter conductor Spencer who tried to tell him that slavery had benefitted black people...
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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 01:52 - Nov 16 with 1662 viewsSwansea_Blue

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 00:17 - Nov 16 by HennersITFC

Coincidentally to you posting this Spencer (and Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) are whinging on Twitter that their blue ticks have been removed.

Did you see this last week where Gary Younge interviewed Spencer? Remarkable.



Blimey . Unbelievable stuff.

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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 01:57 - Nov 16 with 1662 viewsSpruceMoose

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 01:52 - Nov 16 by Swansea_Blue

Blimey . Unbelievable stuff.


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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 08:33 - Nov 16 with 1521 viewsbluemurder

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 00:28 - Nov 16 by Libero

I did, I thought it was a very thought provoking documentary but it barely scratched the surface.

Younge really conducted himself well when faced with alt-right supporter conductor Spencer who tried to tell him that slavery had benefitted black people...
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Younges argument seems to be that you don’t know what Africa would be like now if all the blacks that left the continent had stayed there. Is that an argument worth making or should he be linking current events with the culture which allowed slavery in the first place, to show how dangerous it is to dance down this fascist road?
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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 09:21 - Nov 16 with 1466 viewsBlueBadger

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 23:58 - Nov 15 by bluemurder

Something tells me I don’t need to watch that to know it’s gonna say alt right is bad and only for thickos


In all fairness, you only have to be brighter than Benters to realise that hanging around with nazis isn't in any way, shape or form a 'good' thing.

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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 09:22 - Nov 16 with 1462 viewsLibero

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 08:33 - Nov 16 by bluemurder

Younges argument seems to be that you don’t know what Africa would be like now if all the blacks that left the continent had stayed there. Is that an argument worth making or should he be linking current events with the culture which allowed slavery in the first place, to show how dangerous it is to dance down this fascist road?


I guess this must have sounded relevant and clever in your head...

Well done for actually viewing the source before making a judgement this time though. One step at a time, 'ey?
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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 09:24 - Nov 16 with 1456 viewsBlueBadger

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 00:17 - Nov 16 by HennersITFC

Coincidentally to you posting this Spencer (and Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) are whinging on Twitter that their blue ticks have been removed.

Did you see this last week where Gary Younge interviewed Spencer? Remarkable.



Ironically enough, 'a pair of ticks' is what crosses my mind when I think of Yaxley-Lennon and Crybaby Spencer.

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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 09:29 - Nov 16 with 1436 viewsBlueBadger

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 01:57 - Nov 16 by SpruceMoose

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Pretty much the dictionary definition of 'victimless crime', right there.

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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 09:37 - Nov 16 with 1416 viewsbluemurder

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 09:22 - Nov 16 by Libero

I guess this must have sounded relevant and clever in your head...

Well done for actually viewing the source before making a judgement this time though. One step at a time, 'ey?
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What I’m saying is that younge didn’t really have a counter argument. He should be focusing on the outcomes the likes of spencer expect from their movement and then tear that down.

Arguing some hypothetical argument that Africa would be prosperous now if there had never been any outside influences is distracting.
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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 09:39 - Nov 16 with 1412 viewsfactual_blue

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 01:57 - Nov 16 by SpruceMoose

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That's disgraceful.





He was able to get up afterwards.

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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 09:51 - Nov 16 with 1393 viewsbluemurder

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 09:39 - Nov 16 by factual_blue

That's disgraceful.





He was able to get up afterwards.


No doubt you subscribe to the ‘one man, one problem. No man, no problem’ school of thought. That figures
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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 09:55 - Nov 16 with 1392 viewsBlueBadger

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 09:51 - Nov 16 by bluemurder

No doubt you subscribe to the ‘one man, one problem. No man, no problem’ school of thought. That figures


I think it's probably more the whole 'punching nazis is an entirely right and correct thing to do' school, I suspect.

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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 10:06 - Nov 16 with 1377 viewsbluemurder

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 09:55 - Nov 16 by BlueBadger

I think it's probably more the whole 'punching nazis is an entirely right and correct thing to do' school, I suspect.


And communists like Jeremy corbyn who are just as bad? What would you do to them?
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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 10:07 - Nov 16 with 1377 viewsLibero

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 09:37 - Nov 16 by bluemurder

What I’m saying is that younge didn’t really have a counter argument. He should be focusing on the outcomes the likes of spencer expect from their movement and then tear that down.

Arguing some hypothetical argument that Africa would be prosperous now if there had never been any outside influences is distracting.


I understood what you were 'saying' but you're. Ignoring the fact that it's a highly emotive subject and that Spencer was clearly attempting to provoke Younge into a rage in the same way he encourages his desciples to do so online.
Younge did really well to stay as cool as he did, bare in mind this clip isn't how the conversation actually plays out in full, it's worth watching the documentary in full for context instead of basing an opinion of a five minute clip.

Forgetting all that can we take a second to appreciate that you're essentially siding with a fascist. Maybe you're unaware of Richard Spencer, his politics, influence and rhetoric - in which case I suggest you listen to the lecture in the OP where the lecturer places Spencer and his importance to the alt right as well as describing many of his tactics...

Spencer chants "Heil Trump" states that white people are genetically superior and dreams of a world where he doesn't have to mix with other ethnicities while casually suggesting that mass enslavery and genocide for various demographics has been a good thing.
He's a nazi, the people that follow him are nazis, not everyone who is defending him realises that he is a nazi but as they are defending nazi ideals, values, rhetoric they're a short step away from becoming nazis.

I've just started reading a book by a chap who is a World War 2 veteran, the book is called "Don't let my past be your future" - from the small amount I've read so far I'd already describe it as essential reading.

If you don't agree with fascism and you're defending this man/the alt right/etc then I emplore you to do some research, learn what it is you're defending.
The material is out there, it's important to contextualise these events as they are deliberately discombobulating.
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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 10:07 - Nov 16 with 1375 viewsBlueBadger

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 10:06 - Nov 16 by bluemurder

And communists like Jeremy corbyn who are just as bad? What would you do to them?


Ah, the old 'opposing nazis is as bad as being a nazi' fallacy.

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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 10:23 - Nov 16 with 1352 viewsLibero

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 10:06 - Nov 16 by bluemurder

And communists like Jeremy corbyn who are just as bad? What would you do to them?


Eurgh, way to make yourself even more ignorant to the subject.

Regardless what you think of Jeremy Corbyn the idea that his rhetoric, policies or actions can be held up as some kind of equal and opposite to that of Richard Spencer and the alt right is absolutely hilarious.

If you're looking for a legitimate opposite to the alt right movement I'd suggest maybe occupy/anonymous? Although politically there would have/will be still right leaning people in these groups.

The alt right are succeeding where these groups failed, they are taking advantage of momentum and encouraging people from behind keyboards to make themselves known on mass in an attempt to force real world tangible change instead of suffocating themselves under levels of burocorisy in the way occupy did before it eventually fizzled out and everything went back to normal.

Actually now I think about it the closest comparison I can draw is potentially the Arab Spring, but again it suffered many of the same pitfalls of the occupy movement.
This is illustrated beautifully in Adam Curtis' documentary Hypernormalisation.
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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 10:54 - Nov 16 with 1301 viewscaught-in-limbo

Thanks Libby, that looks very interesting. I've listened to the first 10 minutes and will listen to the rest this evening.

The comments on this thread have already started to polarise opinion on this topic. There are those that feel that this is an attack on the right by an increasingly permissive society and others who defend what are currently called "progressive" values who are standing up against what they see as intolerance.

Information about the alt-right seems to get all the air time because its supporters are so objectionable to the majority in western society today.

Being a mixed-race European teacher, I identify myself far more with the left than I do with the right - but I don't go for this "alt-right is evil, progressive is good" narrative which I believe is thrust upon us. "Progressive" power is far more soft and is entrenched far more deeply in our society by constant reinforcement by our media. The alt-right recognise this and respond in a very ugly and sickeningly intolerant way.

It's my view that both sides are being played by the same people. We as normal European citizens are being asked to decide which side we are on. The sensible answer is of course easy: we want to be on the side of tolerance, peace and equality, and although that is the view of the overwhelming majority, our society is moving in an increasingly unpeaceful, intolerant and unequal direction. The alt-right will argue that this is because of the left's excessively tolerant and forgiving attitude to real dangers, while the left blame the alt-right.

This game is played out here on this site every day.

I must have posted these types of quotes on this site 10 times in the last 2 years, but it sums up what is happening to our society:





#divide&conquer

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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 10:59 - Nov 16 with 1293 viewscaught-in-limbo

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 10:54 - Nov 16 by caught-in-limbo

Thanks Libby, that looks very interesting. I've listened to the first 10 minutes and will listen to the rest this evening.

The comments on this thread have already started to polarise opinion on this topic. There are those that feel that this is an attack on the right by an increasingly permissive society and others who defend what are currently called "progressive" values who are standing up against what they see as intolerance.

Information about the alt-right seems to get all the air time because its supporters are so objectionable to the majority in western society today.

Being a mixed-race European teacher, I identify myself far more with the left than I do with the right - but I don't go for this "alt-right is evil, progressive is good" narrative which I believe is thrust upon us. "Progressive" power is far more soft and is entrenched far more deeply in our society by constant reinforcement by our media. The alt-right recognise this and respond in a very ugly and sickeningly intolerant way.

It's my view that both sides are being played by the same people. We as normal European citizens are being asked to decide which side we are on. The sensible answer is of course easy: we want to be on the side of tolerance, peace and equality, and although that is the view of the overwhelming majority, our society is moving in an increasingly unpeaceful, intolerant and unequal direction. The alt-right will argue that this is because of the left's excessively tolerant and forgiving attitude to real dangers, while the left blame the alt-right.

This game is played out here on this site every day.

I must have posted these types of quotes on this site 10 times in the last 2 years, but it sums up what is happening to our society:





#divide&conquer


Of course holding such a view puts me in the smallest minority, and rather contradictorily the left will join in with the right in showing intolerance towards me with the standard name calling:

apologist
conspiracist
troll

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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 11:40 - Nov 16 with 1242 viewsLibero

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 10:54 - Nov 16 by caught-in-limbo

Thanks Libby, that looks very interesting. I've listened to the first 10 minutes and will listen to the rest this evening.

The comments on this thread have already started to polarise opinion on this topic. There are those that feel that this is an attack on the right by an increasingly permissive society and others who defend what are currently called "progressive" values who are standing up against what they see as intolerance.

Information about the alt-right seems to get all the air time because its supporters are so objectionable to the majority in western society today.

Being a mixed-race European teacher, I identify myself far more with the left than I do with the right - but I don't go for this "alt-right is evil, progressive is good" narrative which I believe is thrust upon us. "Progressive" power is far more soft and is entrenched far more deeply in our society by constant reinforcement by our media. The alt-right recognise this and respond in a very ugly and sickeningly intolerant way.

It's my view that both sides are being played by the same people. We as normal European citizens are being asked to decide which side we are on. The sensible answer is of course easy: we want to be on the side of tolerance, peace and equality, and although that is the view of the overwhelming majority, our society is moving in an increasingly unpeaceful, intolerant and unequal direction. The alt-right will argue that this is because of the left's excessively tolerant and forgiving attitude to real dangers, while the left blame the alt-right.

This game is played out here on this site every day.

I must have posted these types of quotes on this site 10 times in the last 2 years, but it sums up what is happening to our society:





#divide&conquer


I'm with you, although it is hard to find redeeming points in the alt right's obsession with race, religion and ethnicity. Especially when you actually listen to the likes of Spencer and realise for all intensive purposes his rhetoric is almost identical to that of Germany's National Socialist Workers' Party.

But if I'm right in interpreting what you've said you're talking more on an individual basis?
For example, the crew on here who consistently support the alt right aren't necessarily evil just because they support the alt right? That's something I can fully get on board with.
In my opinion the vast majority of people who will be supporting/defending/following this movement won't actually fully understand the rhetoric or potential implications of doing so.
Each individual is motivated by their own set of circumstances/reasons/philosophy.
I don't think any reasonable, balanced and educated person could imply that good and evil are even actually a thing.

That being said it doesn't stop it being frustrating when people attempt to defend the indefensible and a lot of the 'triggered' responses from 'libtards' play right into the hands of the people conducting this hate.

South Park are offering a really interesting commentary on how to deal with Trump/Trump supporters/the alt right at the moment. The most recent episode especially highlights how the kind of 'triggered' and smug responses of the left feeds directly into people who aren't sure just doubling down and going harder when what is really needed is unification we continually drive a wedge between each other and maybe currently we have the world that we deserve?
Anyway, my take away from it all was that simply calling people nazis or shouting someone down as racist will only perpetuate the current situation and potentially exacerbate it into precisely the kind of dystopian nightmare that many crowed about upon Trumps election.
I'm determined not to be part of the self fulfilling prophecy amongst my cohort and instead have decided to read, research and do my best to understand what's happening, why it's happening and hopefully find a way to engage by offering sources such as the lecture in the OP or offering recommendations of books/documentaries/etc.

The smug "I told you so" attitude of the left coupled with the tendency of those on the left who aren't particularly bright to attempt to shut down discourse needs to stop and every attempt must be made to engage hearts and minds.

At least that's what I think after spending a few days researching...
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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 12:12 - Nov 16 with 1204 viewsimsureazzure

Down will come the troop, mutually appreciating, condoning violence, name checking other posters and following that with a smug insult, the pack mentality burning any comparison of the hard right to the hard Maoist left that is invading Britain's culture under the banner of the once working mans political party.

It must be cathartic to screech about the same splinter under the nail every day, surely it must.
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meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 12:22 - Nov 16 with 1187 viewsLibero

meme wars, internet culture and the 'alt right' on 12:12 - Nov 16 by imsureazzure

Down will come the troop, mutually appreciating, condoning violence, name checking other posters and following that with a smug insult, the pack mentality burning any comparison of the hard right to the hard Maoist left that is invading Britain's culture under the banner of the once working mans political party.

It must be cathartic to screech about the same splinter under the nail every day, surely it must.


If that's your attempt at a modern day Enoch Powell tribute I'll give you a solid 6/10.

In seriousness though mate, have you followed the thread or listened to any of the lecture I posted? There's a pretty open discourse about what the alt right are and what it means to be alt right, more than that two people who identify as on the left side of the spectrum (myself and CIL) have both stated how that kind of behaviour you're talking about isn't helpful and made it clear that the idea that everyone that leans to the right is some kind of monster is unhelpful and to be frank, stupid.

I understand your frustrations but this probably isn't the thread to get all hyperbolic when there's a serious attempt at bridge building educating and each other. It's imperative that those of us who are capable of reason and rationality attempt to construct some level of mutual understanding going forwards.
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