| World Cup finals draw 13:28 - Nov 16 with 25139 views | Superfrans |
Takes place on December 1.
Who do we fancy in the draw? One team from each pot.
Pot 1: Russia, Germany, Brazil, Portugal, Argentina, Belgium, Poland, France
Pot 2: Spain, Peru, Switzerland, England, Colombia, Mexico, Uruguay, Croatia
Pot 3: Denmark, Iceland, Costa Rica, Sweden, Tunisia, Egypt, Senegal, Iran
Pot 4: Serbia, Nigeria, Australia, Japan, Morocco, Panama, South Korea, Saudi Arabia
For me, best draw would be: Russia, England, Iran, Australia.
Worst draw: Brazil, England, Iceland, Serbia. |  |
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| World Cup finals draw on 16:05 - Nov 16 with 5634 views | BackToRussia |
| World Cup finals draw on 15:40 - Nov 16 by factual_blue |
He's just being brutally realistic. |
Exactly everyone get on my level of hope destruction. |  |
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| World Cup finals draw on 16:24 - Nov 16 with 5618 views | Pinewoodblue |
| World Cup finals draw on 15:16 - Nov 16 by The_Romford_Blue |
You spelt 'an opinion' wrong |
To be fair it was nonsense to give an opinion on our chances against the seven teams we cannot be drawn against. |  |
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| World Cup finals draw on 16:35 - Nov 16 with 5611 views | Quagmire |
| World Cup finals draw on 13:31 - Nov 16 by SpruceMoose |
And why are Poland in Pot 1? |
It's all based on world rankings. Poland are 6th in world so pot 1, Spain ranked 8th so miss out due to 65th place Russia hosting so guaranteed top pot |  | | |
| World Cup finals draw on 16:37 - Nov 16 with 5607 views | TractorCam |
| World Cup finals draw on 13:31 - Nov 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Not sure I’d fancy Russia purely as on home soil. Plus I wouldn’t mind Iceland actually, you would hope lightning doesn’t strike twice
For me:
Best - Poland, Iran and Panama
Worst - Germany, Sweden and Serbia (not sure it’s actually possible to have 4 Euro teams in which case sub Brazil in for Germany) |
You can only get 2 European sides in a group
Best - Russia Iran Panama
Worst - Brazil Sweden Nigeria |  |
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| World Cup finals draw on 16:38 - Nov 16 with 5602 views | manchego |
| World Cup finals draw on 15:30 - Nov 16 by J2BLUE |
You fear way too many sides. Not saying we're world beaters but we shouldn't fear anyone in pots 3 or 4. There are better sides like Denmark but we should be beating them. If we can't then we have no business in the knockout stages. |
The phrase "we have no business in the knockout stages" caught my eye.
I am equally entertained by England doing fairly well (quarter finals would be nice) and embarrassing themselves (being humped by Panama would be funny) .
Which is why I'm very glad we are there. |  | | |
| World Cup finals draw on 16:39 - Nov 16 with 5603 views | manchego |
| World Cup finals draw on 13:29 - Nov 16 by CaptainObvious |
why are spain in pot 2? |
Spain are 8th in the world. Russia took their place. | | | |
| World Cup finals draw on 16:44 - Nov 16 with 5602 views | CaptainObvious |
| World Cup finals draw on 16:39 - Nov 16 by manchego |
Spain are 8th in the world. Russia took their place. |
Which begs the question why are Poland ahead of Spain in the rankings which begs the answer i gave elsewhere, the world rankings rely too much on current form, in my opinion. |  |
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| World Cup finals draw on 16:50 - Nov 16 with 5594 views | manchego |
| World Cup finals draw on 16:44 - Nov 16 by CaptainObvious |
Which begs the question why are Poland ahead of Spain in the rankings which begs the answer i gave elsewhere, the world rankings rely too much on current form, in my opinion. |
because Poland are 6th and 6 is less than 8. | | | |
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| World Cup finals draw on 16:50 - Nov 16 with 5594 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| World Cup finals draw on 16:44 - Nov 16 by CaptainObvious |
Which begs the question why are Poland ahead of Spain in the rankings which begs the answer i gave elsewhere, the world rankings rely too much on current form, in my opinion. |
Do you really think what a team did more than 4 years ago is relevant today though? Bearing in mind that half the squad from then could have retired or been phased out
The FIFA rankings are far from perfect, agreed, but I’d suggest that’s more to do with the nature of international football making it impossible to define correctly |  |
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| World Cup finals draw on 17:00 - Nov 16 with 5585 views | CaptainObvious |
| World Cup finals draw on 16:50 - Nov 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Do you really think what a team did more than 4 years ago is relevant today though? Bearing in mind that half the squad from then could have retired or been phased out
The FIFA rankings are far from perfect, agreed, but I’d suggest that’s more to do with the nature of international football making it impossible to define correctly |
Yes i do. I think Spain's record in the major tournaments in the last 10 years should count for more. Instead we have Poland above them despite less points in qualifying presumably because they went one round further in euro 2016. I believe international friendlies have some weight too which is pretty farcical. I think most people would agree Spain are a stronger side than Poland, and I think if the emphasis was tweaked away from current results, a more realistic set of seedings would emerge. | |
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| World Cup finals draw on 17:25 - Nov 16 with 5572 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| World Cup finals draw on 15:30 - Nov 16 by J2BLUE |
You fear way too many sides. Not saying we're world beaters but we shouldn't fear anyone in pots 3 or 4. There are better sides like Denmark but we should be beating them. If we can't then we have no business in the knockout stages. |
Look at our last World Cup and euro matches:
Iceland - Lost
Slovakia - Drew
Wales - WON
Russia - Drew
Costa Rica - Drew
Uruguay - Lost
Italy - Lost
Assuming we would beat teams like Denmark is a very risky game |  |
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| World Cup finals draw on 17:26 - Nov 16 with 5571 views | factual_blue |
I've done it several times, and the theme seems to be we usually get to the knockout stages, and lose whenever we come up against Brazil, Spain or Germany, |  |
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| World Cup finals draw on 17:26 - Nov 16 with 5573 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| World Cup finals draw on 13:31 - Nov 16 by SpruceMoose |
And why are Poland in Pot 1? |
Poland are a far better side than England
In fact, I'll have a couple of quid on them at massive odds for the world cup | |
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| World Cup finals draw on 17:35 - Nov 16 with 5563 views | J2BLUE |
| World Cup finals draw on 17:25 - Nov 16 by The_Romford_Blue |
Look at our last World Cup and euro matches:
Iceland - Lost
Slovakia - Drew
Wales - WON
Russia - Drew
Costa Rica - Drew
Uruguay - Lost
Italy - Lost
Assuming we would beat teams like Denmark is a very risky game |
I said we should be beating them, not that we would. I just don't see the point in worrying about so many teams. |  |
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| World Cup finals draw on 17:38 - Nov 16 with 5558 views | JakeITFC |
| World Cup finals draw on 17:26 - Nov 16 by The_Romford_Blue |
Poland are a far better side than England
In fact, I'll have a couple of quid on them at massive odds for the world cup |
I mean this is pretty high on the afore-mentioned nonsense scale. [Post edited 16 Nov 2017 17:38]
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| World Cup finals draw on 17:43 - Nov 16 with 5551 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| World Cup finals draw on 17:38 - Nov 16 by JakeITFC |
I mean this is pretty high on the afore-mentioned nonsense scale. [Post edited 16 Nov 2017 17:38]
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You think England are a better side than Poland? Really?
On what basis? | |
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| World Cup finals draw on 17:44 - Nov 16 with 5543 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| World Cup finals draw on 17:35 - Nov 16 by J2BLUE |
I said we should be beating them, not that we would. I just don't see the point in worrying about so many teams. |
I don't worry about it J2
Quite frankly, I won't be bothered if we get a hard group or an easy group. If it's hard, we'll be out by the group stages but if it's easy, we will only get d1cked by Iceland in the last 16.
What really is the point | |
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| World Cup finals draw on 17:45 - Nov 16 with 5543 views | JakeITFC |
| World Cup finals draw on 17:43 - Nov 16 by The_Romford_Blue |
You think England are a better side than Poland? Really?
On what basis? |
‘Poland are a far better side than England’ was the statement.
Just not true on any level - personnel, recent results, qualifying performance or tournament history. | | | |
| World Cup finals draw on 17:46 - Nov 16 with 5540 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| World Cup finals draw on 17:45 - Nov 16 by JakeITFC |
‘Poland are a far better side than England’ was the statement.
Just not true on any level - personnel, recent results, qualifying performance or tournament history. |
History is irrelevant.
I'm talking about the current England team compared to the Poland side.
Poland are a far better team in all areas than England. | |
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| World Cup finals draw on 17:49 - Nov 16 with 5531 views | caught-in-limbo |
| World Cup finals draw on 13:31 - Nov 16 by SpruceMoose |
And why are Poland in Pot 1? |
Why are England in Pot 2? There's only one team in pot 3 I think we'd get more than a draw from. |  |
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| World Cup finals draw on 18:01 - Nov 16 with 5519 views | JakeITFC |
| World Cup finals draw on 17:46 - Nov 16 by The_Romford_Blue |
History is irrelevant.
I'm talking about the current England team compared to the Poland side.
Poland are a far better team in all areas than England. |
Please do break that down further. | | | |
| World Cup finals draw on 18:11 - Nov 16 with 5509 views | SpruceMoose |
| World Cup finals draw on 18:01 - Nov 16 by JakeITFC |
Please do break that down further. |
It must be their impressive 4 - 0 loss to the Danes, or their 2 - 2 Draw with Kazakhstan making him think that. Or the fact that that failed to qualify for the last two world cups.
I'm not saying they are a bad side, but to say they are better than England in ALL areas is nonsense. |  |
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| World Cup finals draw on 18:20 - Nov 16 with 5484 views | acj |
| World Cup finals draw on 18:11 - Nov 16 by SpruceMoose |
It must be their impressive 4 - 0 loss to the Danes, or their 2 - 2 Draw with Kazakhstan making him think that. Or the fact that that failed to qualify for the last two world cups.
I'm not saying they are a bad side, but to say they are better than England in ALL areas is nonsense. |
No Bartosz no party |  |
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| World Cup finals draw on 18:47 - Nov 16 with 5463 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| World Cup finals draw on 18:11 - Nov 16 by SpruceMoose |
It must be their impressive 4 - 0 loss to the Danes, or their 2 - 2 Draw with Kazakhstan making him think that. Or the fact that that failed to qualify for the last two world cups.
I'm not saying they are a bad side, but to say they are better than England in ALL areas is nonsense. |
Yet again you're bringing history into it
I'm talking about the current teams. | |
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