| Poor game that 18:18 - Nov 18 with 12274 views | BrixtonBlue |
As happy as I am with a point, that was like two mid table teams with nothing to play for. We're not making the play offs on that evidence. Just too many bog standard Championship players. Anyone with a bit of quality would've put hull to the sword today. |  |
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| This post I can relate to more (n/t) on 09:53 - Nov 19 with 4560 views | Dyland |
| Poor game that on 18:23 - Nov 18 by hadleighboyblue |
It sounded very poor on the radio , a game we really should have won , but in the end lucky to get a point .
To hear MM's comments , he seemed happy with the performance , according to him , Hull are a very good team - but the league table tells a different story .
Sorry but he is not getting the best out of what we have got ................we need someone with fresh ideas |
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| Poor game that on 10:00 - Nov 19 with 4555 views | BergholtBru |
| Poor game that on 18:28 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
No idea why anyone would downvote for that fair assessment.
Some weirdos on here.
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Voted down mainly because as we currently sit just a point of the play-offs and on the back of what was basically a decent away point I find it a somewhat negative post. In keeping with many others. If that`s weird then fine! |  |
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| Poor game that on 10:02 - Nov 19 with 4556 views | Guthrum |
| Poor game that on 08:54 - Nov 19 by Johnny_Boy |
The table can lie or deceive sometimes. Teams can be falsely in a higher position than they realistically should be. Where are Derby now? 7th! Depth of squad dictates. |
I see what you're getting at, but I would argue that our current position does demonstrate a depth in our squad not seen for some years. We had a massive slew of injuries (particularly in defence) and the form of some players has not completely recovered even since returning. And yet we have maintained a respectable position.
Plus a lot of it is about trajectories. Derby are on an upward swing after an average start. Leeds have gone in the opposite direction. We've dipped a bit from the fantastic opening, but are generally bobbling aroundabout the same position, 8thish (or, you could even argue, we've had a slight dip and are trending upwards again). |  |
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| Poor game that on 10:18 - Nov 19 with 4530 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Poor game that on 10:00 - Nov 19 by BergholtBru |
Voted down mainly because as we currently sit just a point of the play-offs and on the back of what was basically a decent away point I find it a somewhat negative post. In keeping with many others. If that`s weird then fine! |
I didn't comment on our position. I commented on the performance.
I'm not a negative poster and I feel I've posted on yesterday's game in an even handed manner. Sorry if you can't handle the truth. | |
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| Poor game that on 10:21 - Nov 19 with 4527 views | Guthrum |
| Poor game that on 09:24 - Nov 19 by BrixtonBlue |
Of course it does, if only taking a small sample. It's perfectly possible to have a run where you've been a bit lucky and therefore be in a higher position than you otherwise would. |
I wouldn't say 16/17 games out of 46 - some 36% - is a particularly small sample. A considerable degree of averaging has happened.
Indeed, with ITFC we're seeing the average of one extremely good run and one similarly poor, both four matches in length, otherwise with a pretty even split of points (48.1% of the available in the remaining 9 games).
Accruing half of the available points in a season will usually leave a team in around 8th place, plus or minus a couple (69 is what we managed in 2015-16, finishing 7th). It would only take us one extra win (bearing in mind we have a game in hand over most of the rest of the division) to put Ipswich in serious contention for a play-off place. | |
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| Poor game that on 10:26 - Nov 19 with 4520 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Poor game that on 10:21 - Nov 19 by Guthrum |
I wouldn't say 16/17 games out of 46 - some 36% - is a particularly small sample. A considerable degree of averaging has happened.
Indeed, with ITFC we're seeing the average of one extremely good run and one similarly poor, both four matches in length, otherwise with a pretty even split of points (48.1% of the available in the remaining 9 games).
Accruing half of the available points in a season will usually leave a team in around 8th place, plus or minus a couple (69 is what we managed in 2015-16, finishing 7th). It would only take us one extra win (bearing in mind we have a game in hand over most of the rest of the division) to put Ipswich in serious contention for a play-off place. |
Cold stats don't tell the story of what is happening on the pitch.
The only table that matters is the one in May. Ipswich (and Hull) will finish around 14th. I'll have a charity bet with you on that if you fancy it. | |
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| Poor game that on 10:51 - Nov 19 with 4506 views | Guthrum |
| Poor game that on 10:26 - Nov 19 by BrixtonBlue |
Cold stats don't tell the story of what is happening on the pitch.
The only table that matters is the one in May. Ipswich (and Hull) will finish around 14th. I'll have a charity bet with you on that if you fancy it. |
What's happening on the pitch is that we're often not playing at all well, but still, so far, managing to win half our games (while losing virtually all the rest, just the one draw).
I don't think it's down to pure "luck" (e.g. massively deflected crosses going in, or bizarre own goals). For me, it's having a strike-force (Waghorn, McGoldrick, now Celina as well) who know how to put the ball in the net, with they and others (Garner, the full-backs, sometimes Ward) providing the mutual support in the area to create chances. The rest of the game might be awful, but we can make those moments count and seize a positive result.
I'm quite happy to put £10 (to a charity of your choice) on us finishing tenth or better, as long as the club doesn't wreck things by selling crucial players in January! | |
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| Poor game that on 10:55 - Nov 19 with 4496 views | BergholtBru |
| Poor game that on 10:18 - Nov 19 by BrixtonBlue |
I didn't comment on our position. I commented on the performance.
I'm not a negative poster and I feel I've posted on yesterday's game in an even handed manner. Sorry if you can't handle the truth. |
You said "too many bog standard championship players". That`s a comment on the club as a whole. Not yesterdays performance. If that`s the case then how come we`re doing so well. Sorry if you can`t handle different opinions to your own. | |
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| Poor game that on 11:21 - Nov 19 with 4484 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Poor game that on 10:51 - Nov 19 by Guthrum |
What's happening on the pitch is that we're often not playing at all well, but still, so far, managing to win half our games (while losing virtually all the rest, just the one draw).
I don't think it's down to pure "luck" (e.g. massively deflected crosses going in, or bizarre own goals). For me, it's having a strike-force (Waghorn, McGoldrick, now Celina as well) who know how to put the ball in the net, with they and others (Garner, the full-backs, sometimes Ward) providing the mutual support in the area to create chances. The rest of the game might be awful, but we can make those moments count and seize a positive result.
I'm quite happy to put £10 (to a charity of your choice) on us finishing tenth or better, as long as the club doesn't wreck things by selling crucial players in January! |
Done. £10 to MIND from you if we finish lower than 10th, £10 from me if we finish 10th or higher. | |
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| Poor game that on 11:25 - Nov 19 with 4474 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Poor game that on 10:55 - Nov 19 by BergholtBru |
You said "too many bog standard championship players". That`s a comment on the club as a whole. Not yesterdays performance. If that`s the case then how come we`re doing so well. Sorry if you can`t handle different opinions to your own. |
No. I was commenting on the game. I was quite explicit in that.
Did you go to the game? If not your "different opinion" is worth nothing. | |
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| Poor game that on 11:59 - Nov 19 with 4455 views | BergholtBru |
| Poor game that on 11:25 - Nov 19 by BrixtonBlue |
No. I was commenting on the game. I was quite explicit in that.
Did you go to the game? If not your "different opinion" is worth nothing. |
Have it your way then! | |
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| Poor game that on 12:07 - Nov 19 with 4451 views | Benters |
| Poor game that on 11:59 - Nov 19 by BergholtBru |
Have it your way then! |
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| Poor game that on 13:32 - Nov 19 with 4413 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Poor game that on 11:59 - Nov 19 by BergholtBru |
Have it your way then! |
Thanks. Glad you've seen sense. | |
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| Poor game that on 13:39 - Nov 19 with 4408 views | Guthrum |
| Poor game that on 11:21 - Nov 19 by BrixtonBlue |
Done. £10 to MIND from you if we finish lower than 10th, £10 from me if we finish 10th or higher. |
Agreed. Remind me at the end of the season, [Post edited 19 Nov 2017 13:40]
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| Poor game that on 14:58 - Nov 19 with 4380 views | Darth_Koont |
It wasn't that bad. We tried to play some decent stuff at times and pretty much a good Championship away performance
Hull were still dangerous on the counter but perhaps even more disjointed than we were even as the home side. I think that's what made the game look scrappy. |  |
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| Poor game that on 16:03 - Nov 19 with 4363 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Poor game that on 14:58 - Nov 19 by Darth_Koont |
It wasn't that bad. We tried to play some decent stuff at times and pretty much a good Championship away performance
Hull were still dangerous on the counter but perhaps even more disjointed than we were even as the home side. I think that's what made the game look scrappy. |
The passing was terrible from both sides on occasions. There was very little skill involved. I dunno what "decent stuff" you were watching. If that was on TV I would've turned over.
No, it wasn't a good Championship away performance. How low have your standards got?! Hull were there for the taking but we were just as bad. Their fans were singing "You must be rubbish, we're winning at home".
The taxi driver who took us to the ground said we ought to win as Hull are terrible. I commented, "Yeah, but we're Ipswich".
That's how it panned out.
People need to stop making excuses. We are an average Championship team and if things stay as they are we'll be in the same place for the next 16 years.. | |
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| Poor game that on 16:06 - Nov 19 with 4358 views | Darth_Koont |
| Poor game that on 16:03 - Nov 19 by BrixtonBlue |
The passing was terrible from both sides on occasions. There was very little skill involved. I dunno what "decent stuff" you were watching. If that was on TV I would've turned over.
No, it wasn't a good Championship away performance. How low have your standards got?! Hull were there for the taking but we were just as bad. Their fans were singing "You must be rubbish, we're winning at home".
The taxi driver who took us to the ground said we ought to win as Hull are terrible. I commented, "Yeah, but we're Ipswich".
That's how it panned out.
People need to stop making excuses. We are an average Championship team and if things stay as they are we'll be in the same place for the next 16 years.. |
You're getting carried away. | |
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| Poor game that on 16:16 - Nov 19 with 4348 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Poor game that on 16:06 - Nov 19 by Darth_Koont |
You're getting carried away. |
No, I'm speaking the truth. Take off the blue-tinted specs.
We'll finish 14th ish, because that's how good we are. I've had a bet for MIND with Guthers, happy to have one with you as well.
We've been bog-standard Championship fodder for years and we still are. | |
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| Poor game that on 16:25 - Nov 19 with 4339 views | Darth_Koont |
| Poor game that on 16:16 - Nov 19 by BrixtonBlue |
No, I'm speaking the truth. Take off the blue-tinted specs.
We'll finish 14th ish, because that's how good we are. I've had a bet for MIND with Guthers, happy to have one with you as well.
We've been bog-standard Championship fodder for years and we still are. |
That's up to you and how you choose to see us.
I see a side that has played a third of the season without one or two absolutely critical midfielders. | |
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| Poor game that on 16:34 - Nov 19 with 4321 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Poor game that on 16:25 - Nov 19 by Darth_Koont |
That's up to you and how you choose to see us.
I see a side that has played a third of the season without one or two absolutely critical midfielders. |
With football finances as they are all players are critical. Teams don’t really have ‘reserve’ players any more. All teams suffer from injuries too so having a couple out is no excuse. |  | | |
| Poor game that on 16:35 - Nov 19 with 4317 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Poor game that on 16:16 - Nov 19 by BrixtonBlue |
No, I'm speaking the truth. Take off the blue-tinted specs.
We'll finish 14th ish, because that's how good we are. I've had a bet for MIND with Guthers, happy to have one with you as well.
We've been bog-standard Championship fodder for years and we still are. |
Bog standard Championship fodder isn’t a bad level though is it? | | | |
| Poor game that on 16:58 - Nov 19 with 4298 views | Darth_Koont |
| Poor game that on 16:34 - Nov 19 by FrowsyArmLarry |
With football finances as they are all players are critical. Teams don’t really have ‘reserve’ players any more. All teams suffer from injuries too so having a couple out is no excuse. |
With all due respect, I disagree.
Huws and Adeyemi were important signings in midfield and missing both of them along with Dozzell, Bishop and Hyam all unavailable too has a huge impact. We're talking about 5 first-teamers missing in central midfield for almost the whole season ... so in touch with the play-offs is a good effort. | |
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| Poor game that on 17:04 - Nov 19 with 4290 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Poor game that on 16:58 - Nov 19 by Darth_Koont |
With all due respect, I disagree.
Huws and Adeyemi were important signings in midfield and missing both of them along with Dozzell, Bishop and Hyam all unavailable too has a huge impact. We're talking about 5 first-teamers missing in central midfield for almost the whole season ... so in touch with the play-offs is a good effort. |
Out of that lot only Huws was really expected to get a lot of games. Have Bishop and Hyan even got squad numbers? | | | |
| Poor game that on 17:34 - Nov 19 with 4272 views | Darth_Koont |
| Poor game that on 17:04 - Nov 19 by FrowsyArmLarry |
Out of that lot only Huws was really expected to get a lot of games. Have Bishop and Hyan even got squad numbers? |
Adeyemi too - and I suspect Dozzell would have carried on getting starts.
Nydam, Downes, Connolly and Bru have all come in and done well but these are our 5th and 6th choice players in central midfield. | |
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| Poor game that on 19:22 - Nov 19 with 4187 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Poor game that on 17:34 - Nov 19 by Darth_Koont |
Adeyemi too - and I suspect Dozzell would have carried on getting starts.
Nydam, Downes, Connolly and Bru have all come in and done well but these are our 5th and 6th choice players in central midfield. |
Exactly, I’m saying all our players should be good enough to play | | | |
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