| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:11 - Nov 29 with 8103 views | blue_oyster |
Does anyone know what we're getting for our £50bn? |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:17 - Nov 29 with 8082 views | GeoffSentence |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:11 - Nov 29 by blue_oyster |
Does anyone know what we're getting for our £50bn? |
The love of our European friends. |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:17 - Nov 29 with 8081 views | benno1uk |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:11 - Nov 29 by blue_oyster |
Does anyone know what we're getting for our £50bn? |
Shafted? |  | | |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:18 - Nov 29 with 8077 views | chicoazul |
"Go whistle" hahahaha what a bunch of losers. |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:26 - Nov 29 with 8043 views | Darth_Koont |
It's £89 billion. The gross figure applies surely?
Not bad. That's only 250 weeks of money that we could be spending on the NHS. By the end of that we'll be laughing ... |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:29 - Nov 29 with 8033 views | Steve_M |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:18 - Nov 29 by chicoazul |
"Go whistle" hahahaha what a bunch of losers. |
And throwing away so much good will in the process. I think some in the cabinet and the Tory press don't realise that their online articles can be read around the world. |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:44 - Nov 29 with 7993 views | Darth_Koont |
It occurs to me that it's one time the incompetence of government representatives and party politicians may well work in everyone's best interests.
There's been an inability to negotiate and find solutions with the EU, a total lack of purpose and optimism from our murmured discussions with future trade partners and now a huge divorce bill ... a final Commons vote on this "deal" would only go one way. | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:45 - Nov 29 with 7993 views | Guthrum |
Depends if we want any kind of favourable deal with our largest trading partners or not. Anyway, that's barely enough to keep the NHS running for four months. |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:53 - Nov 29 with 7969 views | homer_123 |
Aren't we simply confirming what we've actually been saying all along though?
That we'll honour the agreement in place.
Am I missing something, are we now paying 'more' than what we are 'contracted' to pay then? |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:55 - Nov 29 with 7967 views | J2BLUE |
After the job they've done so far we'll likely agree to pay this and Germany and France will agree to trade talks knowing Ireland will veto them anyway. Then what? Do we bow to Ireland and stay in the customs union and single market like they want?
If so, we may as well have another referendum and stay. |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:56 - Nov 29 with 7953 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:53 - Nov 29 by homer_123 |
Aren't we simply confirming what we've actually been saying all along though?
That we'll honour the agreement in place.
Am I missing something, are we now paying 'more' than what we are 'contracted' to pay then? |
Don't ruin Badger's rant. I'm still waiting for him to clarify his NHS exodus post after I linked him the official figures showing there are more EU nationals working in the NHS than there were last year. |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 12:09 - Nov 29 with 7934 views | dryas |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:11 - Nov 29 by blue_oyster |
Does anyone know what we're getting for our £50bn? |
Yes - the chance to get even poorer and become a country of little influence. |  | | |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 12:12 - Nov 29 with 7922 views | blue_oyster |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 12:09 - Nov 29 by dryas |
Yes - the chance to get even poorer and become a country of little influence. |
Indeed, no-one knows. But people still defend paying an amount before negotiating the exit, which is bizarre. | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 12:39 - Nov 29 with 7871 views | Guthrum |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 12:12 - Nov 29 by blue_oyster |
Indeed, no-one knows. But people still defend paying an amount before negotiating the exit, which is bizarre. |
Altho this isn't an "exit fee", it's settlement of previously agreed costs we ran up as a member (which we still are for another 18 months). You can't expect a lot of sympathy from former associates if you run away without paying your share of the bills.
We might get something if we pay up, but nothing useful if we don't.
It's not like £50bn is that much, in high-GDP national budget terms (less than 2% of ours). | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 12:42 - Nov 29 with 7871 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:55 - Nov 29 by J2BLUE |
After the job they've done so far we'll likely agree to pay this and Germany and France will agree to trade talks knowing Ireland will veto them anyway. Then what? Do we bow to Ireland and stay in the customs union and single market like they want?
If so, we may as well have another referendum and stay. |
I know. It's almost as if it wasn't in our own and our continuing main trading partners' interests from the very beginning. And that's even before we lose out on the services market.
Project Fear, my @rse. | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 12:47 - Nov 29 with 7859 views | blue_oyster |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 12:39 - Nov 29 by Guthrum |
Altho this isn't an "exit fee", it's settlement of previously agreed costs we ran up as a member (which we still are for another 18 months). You can't expect a lot of sympathy from former associates if you run away without paying your share of the bills.
We might get something if we pay up, but nothing useful if we don't.
It's not like £50bn is that much, in high-GDP national budget terms (less than 2% of ours). |
Is it a settlement of costs? Where is this detailed? | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 12:49 - Nov 29 with 7850 views | vapour_trail |
Shouldn’t really be a fuss about this. It was always likely, and the figure will likely rise over the years.
Problem is the brexit boys sold milk and honey and denied that these sort of factors would come into play. |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 12:55 - Nov 29 with 7832 views | Guthrum |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 12:47 - Nov 29 by blue_oyster |
Is it a settlement of costs? Where is this detailed? |
Part of the argument is about at what point our liabilities stop. Whether in 2019 when Article 50 runs out, or at the end of the EU funding cycle (which I believe is 2020) - or sooner.
Also about exactly what we should be paying for and what we can get excluded.
Plus, of course, we get some of it back (e.g. farming subsidies), hence £50bn is a net figure. | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 12:55 - Nov 29 with 7827 views | Seablu |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:56 - Nov 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Don't ruin Badger's rant. I'm still waiting for him to clarify his NHS exodus post after I linked him the official figures showing there are more EU nationals working in the NHS than there were last year. |
Ah there you are. Your constituents certainly get their money's worth. |  | | |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:01 - Nov 29 with 7807 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 12:55 - Nov 29 by Seablu |
Ah there you are. Your constituents certainly get their money's worth. |
Are you going to be following me around all day or this this a lifetime commitment to obsession? | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:03 - Nov 29 with 7804 views | BlueBadger |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 11:45 - Nov 29 by Guthrum |
Depends if we want any kind of favourable deal with our largest trading partners or not. Anyway, that's barely enough to keep the NHS running for four months. |
3, once you factor in my pension. |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:03 - Nov 29 with 7806 views | blue_oyster |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 12:55 - Nov 29 by Guthrum |
Part of the argument is about at what point our liabilities stop. Whether in 2019 when Article 50 runs out, or at the end of the EU funding cycle (which I believe is 2020) - or sooner.
Also about exactly what we should be paying for and what we can get excluded.
Plus, of course, we get some of it back (e.g. farming subsidies), hence £50bn is a net figure. |
Indeed, this is the negotiation that we are going to *enter into*. But where is the detail of what the £50bn to be paid is for, that you refer to? | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:26 - Nov 29 with 7756 views | Guthrum |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:03 - Nov 29 by blue_oyster |
Indeed, this is the negotiation that we are going to *enter into*. But where is the detail of what the £50bn to be paid is for, that you refer to? |
No, that's the negotiation much of which has already happened. The final figure is dependent upon those factors.
At the beginning of this EU funding cycle (4 yearly IIRC), before the vote happened, let alone the triggering of A50, the UK (as with all other member states) made commitments to fund the organisation's running costs (e.g. subsidies, grants, admin, legal). The question is, having decided to leave, how much we get let off from those commitments.
As to exactly what the EU budget is spent on and our contribution to each part, you'll have to look that up. | |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:31 - Nov 29 with 7751 views | giant_stow |
Anyone know if this money depends on getting a trade deal or are we just paying it either way? |  |
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| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:42 - Nov 29 with 7727 views | hype313 |
| Well that's some negotiating skills Thicko Davies has. on 13:31 - Nov 29 by giant_stow |
Anyone know if this money depends on getting a trade deal or are we just paying it either way? |
Believe it now means because we are committed to pay until we leave, they will now engage with us over trade talks. |  |
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