| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:06 - Dec 29 with 8085 views | christiand |
Players develop at different rates, some are ready earlier and others aren't, they need more time. Marriott seems like he is blossoming now. Good on him, hope he goes for a few million! [Post edited 29 Dec 2017 10:09]
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:12 - Dec 29 with 8050 views | J2BLUE |
It's not literally happening again. Marriott had several uninspiring loans apart from his initial loan at Woking in the Conference. No one really cared when he was let go.
Rhodes was completely different and more because of Keane's arrogance and access to a big pot of money. |  |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:13 - Dec 29 with 8042 views | bongoblue91 |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:06 - Dec 29 by christiand |
Players develop at different rates, some are ready earlier and others aren't, they need more time. Marriott seems like he is blossoming now. Good on him, hope he goes for a few million! [Post edited 29 Dec 2017 10:09]
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I can’t help but be bitter about it, he was banging goals in for fun when he was playing for are reserves, what more is a striker supposed to do to get in the team, I’m sorry but he was developing just fine here, scoring goals and doing all he can do and then Ipswich release him! It’s a joke, it really is [Post edited 29 Dec 2017 10:14]
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:21 - Dec 29 with 7984 views | christiand |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:13 - Dec 29 by bongoblue91 |
I can’t help but be bitter about it, he was banging goals in for fun when he was playing for are reserves, what more is a striker supposed to do to get in the team, I’m sorry but he was developing just fine here, scoring goals and doing all he can do and then Ipswich release him! It’s a joke, it really is [Post edited 29 Dec 2017 10:14]
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Not really, Marriott wasn't consistently pushing as a first team regular here. He wasn't going to get the first team opportunities to be involved and play. Ipswich won't be the first or the last club that let young players go and they do well at pastures new - it's a game of opinions. Unfortunately, that's the nature of the beast, it's football it happens. Just wish him well and accept we have been part of his development to get him to this stage of his career. | |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:22 - Dec 29 with 7973 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:13 - Dec 29 by bongoblue91 |
I can’t help but be bitter about it, he was banging goals in for fun when he was playing for are reserves, what more is a striker supposed to do to get in the team, I’m sorry but he was developing just fine here, scoring goals and doing all he can do and then Ipswich release him! It’s a joke, it really is [Post edited 29 Dec 2017 10:14]
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I'm sorry but thats nonsense. He has some opportunities both in our team and on loan at lower div teams and only in one spell many leagues below showed promise to make it higher up. His form was underwhelming and i think the club did the right thing. Its not all about the club by the way. He was never getting in our team (we had better) and his career was going to suffer. It was 100% the right thing for both him and us at that time. He would not be doing what he is doing if he stayed. Rhodes was different. He was ready. Marriott still wouldnt get in our team quite frankly. We are strong up front!
Yeovil could be saying the very same about Moore by the way. Players develop at different rates and often its a perm move and step down that focuses the mind and makes them realise they have to earn their career and step up! | |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:26 - Dec 29 with 7947 views | bongoblue91 |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:22 - Dec 29 by Terry_Nutkins |
I'm sorry but thats nonsense. He has some opportunities both in our team and on loan at lower div teams and only in one spell many leagues below showed promise to make it higher up. His form was underwhelming and i think the club did the right thing. Its not all about the club by the way. He was never getting in our team (we had better) and his career was going to suffer. It was 100% the right thing for both him and us at that time. He would not be doing what he is doing if he stayed. Rhodes was different. He was ready. Marriott still wouldnt get in our team quite frankly. We are strong up front!
Yeovil could be saying the very same about Moore by the way. Players develop at different rates and often its a perm move and step down that focuses the mind and makes them realise they have to earn their career and step up! |
See what your all saying when he’s scoring against us every game, twice a season. You can see it happening, would be typical Ipswich. | | | |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:27 - Dec 29 with 7943 views | Dyland |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:26 - Dec 29 by bongoblue91 |
See what your all saying when he’s scoring against us every game, twice a season. You can see it happening, would be typical Ipswich. |
You're getting your knickers in a twist over absolutely nothing. |  |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:37 - Dec 29 with 7888 views | JimmyJazz |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:06 - Dec 29 by christiand |
Players develop at different rates, some are ready earlier and others aren't, they need more time. Marriott seems like he is blossoming now. Good on him, hope he goes for a few million! [Post edited 29 Dec 2017 10:09]
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I agree with this, but it does happen to a lot of clubs.
It's part of the argument that says don't spend money on an academy but snap up promising young-ish players for a fee instead. Let Ipswich/Luton/Peterborough develop a player and then come in with your cheque book when the time is right. |  |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:40 - Dec 29 with 7879 views | JimmyJazz |
If he's getting this amount of interest due to his scoring exploits in League 1, then what about KM? Someone will be calling him Jordan Rhodes number 3 soon | |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:42 - Dec 29 with 7873 views | itfcjoe |
It’s a joke that he never got a chance here, a natural goalscorer who had to watch the likes of Noubke, Sammon and Bajner get opportunities ahead of him when they couldn’t hit a cows backside with a banjo.
I generally think MMc has done a better than decent job at bringing youngsters through, whether from the academy, signed or on loan - but not giving Marriott any opportunity was an aberration. Scoring goals is the hardest thing to do in the game and he’s done it whenever and wherever he’s played. [Post edited 29 Dec 2017 10:43]
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:44 - Dec 29 with 7855 views | muccletonjoe |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:22 - Dec 29 by Terry_Nutkins |
I'm sorry but thats nonsense. He has some opportunities both in our team and on loan at lower div teams and only in one spell many leagues below showed promise to make it higher up. His form was underwhelming and i think the club did the right thing. Its not all about the club by the way. He was never getting in our team (we had better) and his career was going to suffer. It was 100% the right thing for both him and us at that time. He would not be doing what he is doing if he stayed. Rhodes was different. He was ready. Marriott still wouldnt get in our team quite frankly. We are strong up front!
Yeovil could be saying the very same about Moore by the way. Players develop at different rates and often its a perm move and step down that focuses the mind and makes them realise they have to earn their career and step up! |
he wouldn't get in our team now we have signed two strikers for a million quid , but would we have needed them if Marriott had been here last season when we had no one who could score goals regularly apart from Lawrence . I saw jack Marriott play on several occasions and it was always clear to me that he was an out and out goalscorer . I predicted he would make it elsewhere and it was a bad move releasing him . I havnt changed my mind |  | | |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:50 - Dec 29 with 7816 views | JimmyJazz |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:42 - Dec 29 by itfcjoe |
It’s a joke that he never got a chance here, a natural goalscorer who had to watch the likes of Noubke, Sammon and Bajner get opportunities ahead of him when they couldn’t hit a cows backside with a banjo.
I generally think MMc has done a better than decent job at bringing youngsters through, whether from the academy, signed or on loan - but not giving Marriott any opportunity was an aberration. Scoring goals is the hardest thing to do in the game and he’s done it whenever and wherever he’s played. [Post edited 29 Dec 2017 10:43]
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Do you think he should have been given a better loan opportunity than Woking? Obviously someone needs to want him on loan first, but I fail to see what scoring goals at non-league level proves at all
A loan spell at Luton would have been a better indication | |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:53 - Dec 29 with 7803 views | Swailsey |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:12 - Dec 29 by J2BLUE |
It's not literally happening again. Marriott had several uninspiring loans apart from his initial loan at Woking in the Conference. No one really cared when he was let go.
Rhodes was completely different and more because of Keane's arrogance and access to a big pot of money. |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:57 - Dec 29 with 7794 views | Mullet |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:42 - Dec 29 by itfcjoe |
It’s a joke that he never got a chance here, a natural goalscorer who had to watch the likes of Noubke, Sammon and Bajner get opportunities ahead of him when they couldn’t hit a cows backside with a banjo.
I generally think MMc has done a better than decent job at bringing youngsters through, whether from the academy, signed or on loan - but not giving Marriott any opportunity was an aberration. Scoring goals is the hardest thing to do in the game and he’s done it whenever and wherever he’s played. [Post edited 29 Dec 2017 10:43]
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Reminded me of Ronan Murray, don't really see these arguments as anything over than frustration that we can't keep everybody, or predict the future.
I get the feeling we'll say the same things about Bishop in a couple of years if his contract isn't renewed.
Marriott got a dead rubber to show his stuff and was still a bit off of the first team. I'm not sure how much longer we could have given him when we were then going to go on and target the playoffs etc.
A bit like Luongo and Grant, if they're a tad lightweight mentally or physically MM doesn't put them into the fight and moves them on. I'm not sure as well like Rhodes, Marriott will be as good as a few are pretending to have predicted either. You're going to get interest in players like him every window, but how many go on and fulfil these transfers? |  |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:58 - Dec 29 with 7786 views | itfcjoe |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:50 - Dec 29 by JimmyJazz |
Do you think he should have been given a better loan opportunity than Woking? Obviously someone needs to want him on loan first, but I fail to see what scoring goals at non-league level proves at all
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It’s a difficult one, managers in the league don’t seem to be willing to play youngsters so getting loan spells is hard - look at where most of our youngsters are this year. They all have academies, their own players to develop etc.
Jack went to Gillingham where their striker was due a hernia op, he went there then guy cancelled it until end of season and Jack was soon back here. He then went to Carlisle and after hitting woodwork 2 or 3 times in 4 or 5 games their manager was sacked and he’s back and people still now saying he failed in his loan spells not seeing how poor the loan system is for development in a lot of cases.
He’d done enough to have w few chances here, from the bench at least to try and make an impact. | |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 11:00 - Dec 29 with 7772 views | Dyland |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:57 - Dec 29 by Mullet |
Reminded me of Ronan Murray, don't really see these arguments as anything over than frustration that we can't keep everybody, or predict the future.
I get the feeling we'll say the same things about Bishop in a couple of years if his contract isn't renewed.
Marriott got a dead rubber to show his stuff and was still a bit off of the first team. I'm not sure how much longer we could have given him when we were then going to go on and target the playoffs etc.
A bit like Luongo and Grant, if they're a tad lightweight mentally or physically MM doesn't put them into the fight and moves them on. I'm not sure as well like Rhodes, Marriott will be as good as a few are pretending to have predicted either. You're going to get interest in players like him every window, but how many go on and fulfil these transfers? |
Joers makes some good points about Marriott, but the OP's comparison with what happened with Rhodes is well off the mark. | |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 11:05 - Dec 29 with 7744 views | itfcjoe |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:57 - Dec 29 by Mullet |
Reminded me of Ronan Murray, don't really see these arguments as anything over than frustration that we can't keep everybody, or predict the future.
I get the feeling we'll say the same things about Bishop in a couple of years if his contract isn't renewed.
Marriott got a dead rubber to show his stuff and was still a bit off of the first team. I'm not sure how much longer we could have given him when we were then going to go on and target the playoffs etc.
A bit like Luongo and Grant, if they're a tad lightweight mentally or physically MM doesn't put them into the fight and moves them on. I'm not sure as well like Rhodes, Marriott will be as good as a few are pretending to have predicted either. You're going to get interest in players like him every window, but how many go on and fulfil these transfers? |
Murray got more opportunities than Marriott though, and JM did more for us at other levels.
I don’t necessarily think JM would have blown us away here - but if you are club like ours that has to lean heavily on academy, then he has to have an opportunity here as he’d done enough and that is one of the academies selling points.
A number of the academy staff were hugely disappointed, and don’t think this situation would happen again now | |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 11:08 - Dec 29 with 7723 views | Bluefish |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:12 - Dec 29 by J2BLUE |
It's not literally happening again. Marriott had several uninspiring loans apart from his initial loan at Woking in the Conference. No one really cared when he was let go.
Rhodes was completely different and more because of Keane's arrogance and access to a big pot of money. |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 11:16 - Dec 29 with 7709 views | Dubtractor |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:22 - Dec 29 by Terry_Nutkins |
I'm sorry but thats nonsense. He has some opportunities both in our team and on loan at lower div teams and only in one spell many leagues below showed promise to make it higher up. His form was underwhelming and i think the club did the right thing. Its not all about the club by the way. He was never getting in our team (we had better) and his career was going to suffer. It was 100% the right thing for both him and us at that time. He would not be doing what he is doing if he stayed. Rhodes was different. He was ready. Marriott still wouldnt get in our team quite frankly. We are strong up front!
Yeovil could be saying the very same about Moore by the way. Players develop at different rates and often its a perm move and step down that focuses the mind and makes them realise they have to earn their career and step up! |
He was only 20 when he left for goodness sake!
Better players? See Joe's post about players like Bajner, Sammon and Nouble who were preferred to him.
How many starts, or even sub appearances was he given in our team? |  |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 11:16 - Dec 29 with 7710 views | Mullet |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 11:00 - Dec 29 by Dyland |
Joers makes some good points about Marriott, but the OP's comparison with what happened with Rhodes is well off the mark. |
I'm not sure Marriott could play out on the wing, hold the ball up or bully defenders like either of those. Likewise Bajner wasn't exactly persisted with very long. You have to ask why he couldn't displace them if the required quality was there. Mick's not exactly been shy with the 17 year olds when they are ready etc. What's the trade off when it comes to the development of one player over the past 3 or 4 seasons?
A lot like Rhodes, if you ignore the style we play(ed) and where the player would have had to fit in, it's a lot more convincing to suggest they should have played.
We've got an opposite case in point with McDonnell who clearly spent a season pouting and not putting the effort in on the training ground. He's got a bit opportunity this month and one I'd love to see him fulfil. He really impressed me a couple of years back, and with time against him he's in a do or die type scenario. | |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 11:21 - Dec 29 with 7693 views | Mullet |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 11:05 - Dec 29 by itfcjoe |
Murray got more opportunities than Marriott though, and JM did more for us at other levels.
I don’t necessarily think JM would have blown us away here - but if you are club like ours that has to lean heavily on academy, then he has to have an opportunity here as he’d done enough and that is one of the academies selling points.
A number of the academy staff were hugely disappointed, and don’t think this situation would happen again now |
Murray was a Keane player though, in a very different scenario so the opportunities were different. Again he also has to earn that opportunity to some degree, did he get more than the Burnley game?
The academy staff are going to be disappointed, it's their work and they're going to want these lads to succeed. The issue being though, how many clubs have a hit rate better or worse than ours? We can't be that badly off.
There's also the fact that academy staff are trying to give every player a career at whatever level, so it's surely a good thing that like say Ed Upson, he's gone down a notch to have a crack at coming back up. | |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 11:29 - Dec 29 with 7647 views | J2BLUE |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 11:08 - Dec 29 by Bluefish |
Probably your best ever post |
High praise indeed. | |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 11:35 - Dec 29 with 7621 views | Herbivore |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:42 - Dec 29 by itfcjoe |
It’s a joke that he never got a chance here, a natural goalscorer who had to watch the likes of Noubke, Sammon and Bajner get opportunities ahead of him when they couldn’t hit a cows backside with a banjo.
I generally think MMc has done a better than decent job at bringing youngsters through, whether from the academy, signed or on loan - but not giving Marriott any opportunity was an aberration. Scoring goals is the hardest thing to do in the game and he’s done it whenever and wherever he’s played. [Post edited 29 Dec 2017 10:43]
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I usually agree with you Joe but I think Marriott is a blind spot for you. He didn't score goals wherever he went, in fact aside from his first loan spell at Woking he didn't really do anything during his loans elsewhere that suggested he could make the step up to the Championship. He was miles from the first team when we released him, we'd signed Sears that January and he was looking good and that left Marriott down the pecking order. Nobody kicked up a fuss when he left, he was well out of the picture here. Credit for how he's gone on and performed since we released him, he needed regular football at a lower level to progress and us releasing him gave him that chance. Had we kept him he wouldn't have got the game time needed to develop the way he has. |  |
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| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 11:56 - Dec 29 with 7505 views | bongoblue91 |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 10:27 - Dec 29 by Dyland |
You're getting your knickers in a twist over absolutely nothing. |
If Marriott was still here this season he would be given a chance, MM got a big kick up the ass from town fans last season about his style of play,not playing youngsters. This season it’s completely different, academy players making there debuts loads this season. Unfortunately when Marriott was here MM was so far up his own ass he would rather play someone like a 30+ Connor Sammon than give Marriott a chance. The kid never got a chance here just as Jordan Rhodes didn’t | | | |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 12:00 - Dec 29 with 7480 views | Herbivore |
| Jordan Rhodes, number 2 on 11:56 - Dec 29 by bongoblue91 |
If Marriott was still here this season he would be given a chance, MM got a big kick up the ass from town fans last season about his style of play,not playing youngsters. This season it’s completely different, academy players making there debuts loads this season. Unfortunately when Marriott was here MM was so far up his own ass he would rather play someone like a 30+ Connor Sammon than give Marriott a chance. The kid never got a chance here just as Jordan Rhodes didn’t |
Ha! Do you genuinely believe any of that post? | |
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