| Anyone remember this? 21:26 - Jan 11 with 4016 views | J2BLUE |
 Town Agree Five-Year Sponsorship Deal With Greene King 8th Jul 2014 18:52Town have agreed a new five-year, six-figure deal with Bury St Edmunds-based brewers Greene King, which will see them sponsor the Sir Alf Ramsey Stand, Greene King IPA become the club’s official beer and a number of Portman Road’s bars receive a revamp.  29
Me neither. I'm sure there will be plenty of reasons why this is completely different which I look forward to hearing. |  |
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| Anyone remember this? on 21:39 - Jan 11 with 3944 views | gtsb1966 |
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| Anyone remember this? on 21:40 - Jan 11 with 3941 views | J2BLUE |
| Anyone remember this? on 21:39 - Jan 11 by gtsb1966 |
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I'm not fishing. I would genuinely like an answer. We take alcohol money without complaint but gambling money is somehow offensive. | |
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| Anyone remember this? on 21:47 - Jan 11 with 3917 views | StokieBlue |
| Anyone remember this? on 21:40 - Jan 11 by J2BLUE |
I'm not fishing. I would genuinely like an answer. We take alcohol money without complaint but gambling money is somehow offensive. |
I think sparks posted a good reason why it was different earlier - go look it up.
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I've looked it up for you - it's about the 5th reply on this thread:
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| Anyone remember this? on 21:55 - Jan 11 with 3865 views | J2BLUE |
| Anyone remember this? on 21:47 - Jan 11 by StokieBlue |
I think sparks posted a good reason why it was different earlier - go look it up.
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I've looked it up for you - it's about the 5th reply on this thread:
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Cheers.
He makes some valid points. I know all about the dangers of gambling as my dad has a gambling addiction. For the majority of people though these sites are a bit of fun. I do agree they should be more tightly regulated but you can set loss and deposit limits to increase control. I would never personally sign up to a site that is purely an online casino. The house has the advantage in every game which is something virtually everyone knows when they sign up. I think alcohol and gambling are more similar than many want to admit. People talk about the accessibility of gambling but alcohol is so widespread it's almost the same. You could even get alcohol delivered on Just Eat for a while. We see endless adverts for alcohol and offers for cheap alcohol.
I'm not claiming gambling is good, just that it doesn't deserve the venomous reaction it gets. In reality i'd say to most kids that both alcohol and and gambling are massively overrated. | |
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| Anyone remember this? on 22:15 - Jan 11 with 3807 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Anyone remember this? on 21:55 - Jan 11 by J2BLUE |
Cheers.
He makes some valid points. I know all about the dangers of gambling as my dad has a gambling addiction. For the majority of people though these sites are a bit of fun. I do agree they should be more tightly regulated but you can set loss and deposit limits to increase control. I would never personally sign up to a site that is purely an online casino. The house has the advantage in every game which is something virtually everyone knows when they sign up. I think alcohol and gambling are more similar than many want to admit. People talk about the accessibility of gambling but alcohol is so widespread it's almost the same. You could even get alcohol delivered on Just Eat for a while. We see endless adverts for alcohol and offers for cheap alcohol.
I'm not claiming gambling is good, just that it doesn't deserve the venomous reaction it gets. In reality i'd say to most kids that both alcohol and and gambling are massively overrated. |
Ipswich regards itself as a family club with family values. The choice of a gambling website as main sponsor takes a little more of the family values feeling away. gambling, like alcohol, can destroy a family. Skybet are the championship sponsor the club had no say in that but the club didn't have to follow the majority and openly encourage online gambling.
Apart from Pioneer every main sponsor has had an established link to the Town, or at least the County. It is sad to lose that.
I'm not actually certain the Football League rules permit a sponsor change mid-season.
Have a nasty feeling we are going to wear our red kit for the majority of the remaining away games, even when our opponents kit doesn't clash with the Blue and White. Can see our new sponsor wanting to see Town play in red at Carrow road because it is being televised. That really would be shameful. |  |
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| Anyone remember this? on 22:16 - Jan 11 with 3803 views | gtsb1966 |
I'm of the opinion that any addiction is awful and I see no difference in alcohol or gambling sponsorship. Online gambling has one big issue in my opinion and that is that I can sit in my house and lose that house in one night of gambling. Thankfully I don't gamble at all so will never be in that situation but there are others sitting down tonight losing thousands and there is nothing to stop them doing it. | | | |
| Anyone remember this? on 07:40 - Jan 12 with 3614 views | blue_oyster |
Not a great cause. But at least a strong connection with football and the local community. Unlike the awful images that the tacky logo of the new sponsor conjures up. I can’t even bring myself to say the name it’s so bad. |  |
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| Anyone remember this? on 10:29 - Jan 12 with 3531 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone remember this? on 21:55 - Jan 11 by J2BLUE |
Cheers.
He makes some valid points. I know all about the dangers of gambling as my dad has a gambling addiction. For the majority of people though these sites are a bit of fun. I do agree they should be more tightly regulated but you can set loss and deposit limits to increase control. I would never personally sign up to a site that is purely an online casino. The house has the advantage in every game which is something virtually everyone knows when they sign up. I think alcohol and gambling are more similar than many want to admit. People talk about the accessibility of gambling but alcohol is so widespread it's almost the same. You could even get alcohol delivered on Just Eat for a while. We see endless adverts for alcohol and offers for cheap alcohol.
I'm not claiming gambling is good, just that it doesn't deserve the venomous reaction it gets. In reality i'd say to most kids that both alcohol and and gambling are massively overrated. |
I've mentioned this on a previous thread - but for me the issue is amongst other things that gambling compared to other vices like smoking and drinking rewards the convenience of doing it.
If I want to have a beer - I have to physically go to the supermarket or the pub and pay for it and bring it home if supermarket. If I want someone to deliver it like JustEat I will be charged a Premium.
If I wanted a bet, and I was standing at the front door of a bookmakers it would be more convenient to bet on my phone. And I'd get better odds. Online odds shouldn't be better than in the shops because it is a convenience to bet there so there should be some penalty to do so.
The fact that there are so many companies popping up now, and these ones have a spare £2m to chuck at us shows there is little barriers to entry to the market and that everyone wants a piece of it because it is easy money - and it's the peoples money that is going to them.
Gambling will ever be banned, and it shouldn't, but the ease of which people can lose everything needs to be addressed. |  |
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| Anyone remember this? on 10:30 - Jan 12 with 3512 views | chicoazul |
Look how happy George is with a pint in his hand. |  |
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| Anyone remember this? on 10:31 - Jan 12 with 3526 views | unbelievablue |
| Anyone remember this? on 21:55 - Jan 11 by J2BLUE |
Cheers.
He makes some valid points. I know all about the dangers of gambling as my dad has a gambling addiction. For the majority of people though these sites are a bit of fun. I do agree they should be more tightly regulated but you can set loss and deposit limits to increase control. I would never personally sign up to a site that is purely an online casino. The house has the advantage in every game which is something virtually everyone knows when they sign up. I think alcohol and gambling are more similar than many want to admit. People talk about the accessibility of gambling but alcohol is so widespread it's almost the same. You could even get alcohol delivered on Just Eat for a while. We see endless adverts for alcohol and offers for cheap alcohol.
I'm not claiming gambling is good, just that it doesn't deserve the venomous reaction it gets. In reality i'd say to most kids that both alcohol and and gambling are massively overrated. |
That's his best post in years, and you've got no leg to stand on. |  |
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| Anyone remember this? on 10:31 - Jan 12 with 3521 views | J2BLUE |
| Anyone remember this? on 10:29 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
I've mentioned this on a previous thread - but for me the issue is amongst other things that gambling compared to other vices like smoking and drinking rewards the convenience of doing it.
If I want to have a beer - I have to physically go to the supermarket or the pub and pay for it and bring it home if supermarket. If I want someone to deliver it like JustEat I will be charged a Premium.
If I wanted a bet, and I was standing at the front door of a bookmakers it would be more convenient to bet on my phone. And I'd get better odds. Online odds shouldn't be better than in the shops because it is a convenience to bet there so there should be some penalty to do so.
The fact that there are so many companies popping up now, and these ones have a spare £2m to chuck at us shows there is little barriers to entry to the market and that everyone wants a piece of it because it is easy money - and it's the peoples money that is going to them.
Gambling will ever be banned, and it shouldn't, but the ease of which people can lose everything needs to be addressed. |
I agree with most of that. I'd like to know where gambling odds are better online than in the shop though? It does happen because slips etc are printed and then prices change but I don't know anywhere where the odds are higher as a rule. | |
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| Anyone remember this? on 10:32 - Jan 12 with 3517 views | unbelievablue |
| Anyone remember this? on 10:29 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
I've mentioned this on a previous thread - but for me the issue is amongst other things that gambling compared to other vices like smoking and drinking rewards the convenience of doing it.
If I want to have a beer - I have to physically go to the supermarket or the pub and pay for it and bring it home if supermarket. If I want someone to deliver it like JustEat I will be charged a Premium.
If I wanted a bet, and I was standing at the front door of a bookmakers it would be more convenient to bet on my phone. And I'd get better odds. Online odds shouldn't be better than in the shops because it is a convenience to bet there so there should be some penalty to do so.
The fact that there are so many companies popping up now, and these ones have a spare £2m to chuck at us shows there is little barriers to entry to the market and that everyone wants a piece of it because it is easy money - and it's the peoples money that is going to them.
Gambling will ever be banned, and it shouldn't, but the ease of which people can lose everything needs to be addressed. |
I lost thousands in minutes. I couldn't do that with drink, I'd pass out or be sick and wake up about £100 worse off with a horrible, horible headache. That doesn't address the issue of longer term alcohol dependency, obviously, but makes the comparison (made by some) rather facile. | |
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| Anyone remember this? on 10:34 - Jan 12 with 3507 views | J2BLUE |
| Anyone remember this? on 10:32 - Jan 12 by unbelievablue |
I lost thousands in minutes. I couldn't do that with drink, I'd pass out or be sick and wake up about £100 worse off with a horrible, horible headache. That doesn't address the issue of longer term alcohol dependency, obviously, but makes the comparison (made by some) rather facile. |
Can I ask how? Tell me to f off if you want. | |
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| Anyone remember this? on 10:36 - Jan 12 with 3502 views | unbelievablue |
| Anyone remember this? on 10:34 - Jan 12 by J2BLUE |
Can I ask how? Tell me to f off if you want. |
Horses, on my laptop, chasing losses, in a dark room, depressed and p!ssed up. | |
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| Anyone remember this? on 10:41 - Jan 12 with 3485 views | J2BLUE |
| Anyone remember this? on 10:36 - Jan 12 by unbelievablue |
Horses, on my laptop, chasing losses, in a dark room, depressed and p!ssed up. |
Chasing is the biggest killer. A couple of times my dad's bank statements looked like:
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I told him he was getting lucky and if he continued to be so stupid he would eventually have a big loss. About 5 days later he lost £1600. I have no argument that they need much tighter regulations. My biggest chasing loss was £500 on Blackjack. Felt sick for days. | |
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| Anyone remember this? on 10:44 - Jan 12 with 3475 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone remember this? on 10:32 - Jan 12 by unbelievablue |
I lost thousands in minutes. I couldn't do that with drink, I'd pass out or be sick and wake up about £100 worse off with a horrible, horible headache. That doesn't address the issue of longer term alcohol dependency, obviously, but makes the comparison (made by some) rather facile. |
I could ruin my life today at work gambling - act in a way that is irrepairable for me and my family.
Admittedly I could go out, and get smashed and cheat on my wife and the damage would be pretty severe but that doesn't feel the same for me.
A gambling problem is much easier to hide - I can't go out every night for a week or more and get hammered without it raising serious questions whereas I could spend more than i can afford to lose every single day without it being noticed until it's way too late.
That could happen by me withdrawing money and going to a bookies, but feels far less likely that way than doing it online. | |
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| Anyone remember this? on 10:52 - Jan 12 with 3451 views | unbelievablue |
| Anyone remember this? on 10:44 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
I could ruin my life today at work gambling - act in a way that is irrepairable for me and my family.
Admittedly I could go out, and get smashed and cheat on my wife and the damage would be pretty severe but that doesn't feel the same for me.
A gambling problem is much easier to hide - I can't go out every night for a week or more and get hammered without it raising serious questions whereas I could spend more than i can afford to lose every single day without it being noticed until it's way too late.
That could happen by me withdrawing money and going to a bookies, but feels far less likely that way than doing it online. |
Exactly.
I was gambling almost every day for years and the people closest to me thought I was an occasional, weekend Footy gambler. It's easy to hide but horrible to deal with. | |
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| Anyone remember this? on 10:54 - Jan 12 with 3444 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone remember this? on 10:52 - Jan 12 by unbelievablue |
Exactly.
I was gambling almost every day for years and the people closest to me thought I was an occasional, weekend Footy gambler. It's easy to hide but horrible to deal with. |
Good luck continuing to fight it | |
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| Anyone remember this? on 10:56 - Jan 12 with 3434 views | unbelievablue |
| Anyone remember this? on 10:54 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
Good luck continuing to fight it |
July 4th 2015. | |
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| Anyone remember this? on 12:23 - Jan 12 with 3372 views | J2BLUE |
You've both made some good points. As have people in other threads. Thank you.
I still think it's a bit of an overreaction to the deal but some of the points raised about gambling itself as very fair and valid.
I now know of four (at least) former problem gamblers (I know the battle never ends but I want to recognise and appreciate that they'd stopped) on here and would happily take suggestions on how those of us who regularly talk about it could be more discreet. | |
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| Anyone remember this? on 13:31 - Jan 12 with 3280 views | longtimefan |
| Anyone remember this? on 10:44 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
I could ruin my life today at work gambling - act in a way that is irrepairable for me and my family.
Admittedly I could go out, and get smashed and cheat on my wife and the damage would be pretty severe but that doesn't feel the same for me.
A gambling problem is much easier to hide - I can't go out every night for a week or more and get hammered without it raising serious questions whereas I could spend more than i can afford to lose every single day without it being noticed until it's way too late.
That could happen by me withdrawing money and going to a bookies, but feels far less likely that way than doing it online. |
I don’t think there really is such a distinction between the two vices. Try asking the loved one of someone killed by a drunk driver. |  | | |
| Anyone remember this? on 13:41 - Jan 12 with 3253 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone remember this? on 13:31 - Jan 12 by longtimefan |
I don’t think there really is such a distinction between the two vices. Try asking the loved one of someone killed by a drunk driver. |
Being an alcoholic doesn't make you a drunk driver though, and if you are going down that path then there are many more warning signs and chances for loved ones to intervene | |
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| Anyone remember this? on 13:47 - Jan 12 with 3223 views | Swansea_Blue |
For me it's more about one being a reputable local company and the other being a nebulous online-only presence registered in a tax haven.
Fair points on alcohol though. It's a scourge on society (but tastes good  ). |  |
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| Anyone remember this? on 13:48 - Jan 12 with 3217 views | longtimefan |
| Anyone remember this? on 13:41 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
Being an alcoholic doesn't make you a drunk driver though, and if you are going down that path then there are many more warning signs and chances for loved ones to intervene |
Gambling and alcoholism can both impact family. I’d argue that alcoholism may potentially have a far greater impact on innocent/third parties, as in the scenario mentioned. | | | |
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