| Labour 17:31 - Jan 19 with 16971 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Using those videos of the NHS crisis to try and score some emotional political points. What a cowardly bunch, when they massively pushed PFI schemes in the first place. |  | | |  |
| Labour on 17:39 - Jan 19 with 7392 views | bournemouthblue |
PFI went so well in fact, it's been rolled out to things like Carillion? |  |
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| Labour on 17:45 - Jan 19 with 7372 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour on 17:39 - Jan 19 by bournemouthblue |
PFI went so well in fact, it's been rolled out to things like Carillion? |
Indeed. A third of the Carillion contracts with the Government were awarded by the last Labour government.
The last contract awarded to Carillion was by Labour run Leeds City Council who authorised the award of a contract worth £14 million to Carillion on 20 December 2017.
Arf!
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| Labour on 17:51 - Jan 19 with 7354 views | bournemouthblue |
| Labour on 17:45 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Indeed. A third of the Carillion contracts with the Government were awarded by the last Labour government.
The last contract awarded to Carillion was by Labour run Leeds City Council who authorised the award of a contract worth £14 million to Carillion on 20 December 2017.
Arf!
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Whilst two thirds have been handed out by the Tories in less time
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| Labour on 17:52 - Jan 19 with 7347 views | StokieBlue |
| Labour on 17:45 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Indeed. A third of the Carillion contracts with the Government were awarded by the last Labour government.
The last contract awarded to Carillion was by Labour run Leeds City Council who authorised the award of a contract worth £14 million to Carillion on 20 December 2017.
Arf!
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You can't say that.
Facts are neither wanted or required.
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| Labour on 17:53 - Jan 19 with 7325 views | BackToRussia |
The Labour of today has very little to do with Blair and Gordon. |  |
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| Labour on 17:53 - Jan 19 with 7340 views | StokieBlue |
| Labour on 17:51 - Jan 19 by bournemouthblue |
Whilst two thirds have been handed out by the Tories in less time
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So you are saying on 33% of the blame is Labours.
There was me thinking it was entirely the Tories fault, that's certainly the Labour narrative.
This is not defending PFI in any way or the Tories use of it, just the rewriting of certain aspects of history.
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| Labour on 17:54 - Jan 19 with 7332 views | BrixtonBlue |
Labour invented the NHS. The Tories are now uninventing it. |  |
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| Labour on 17:54 - Jan 19 with 7331 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour on 17:51 - Jan 19 by bournemouthblue |
Whilst two thirds have been handed out by the Tories in less time
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No. 38% of the contracts were awarded during the previous Labour government, that’s more than a third and almost two in five. 27% were awarded during the Coalition between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, and the rest since the Conservatives entered office in 2015.
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| Labour on 17:56 - Jan 19 with 7323 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Labour on 17:54 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
No. 38% of the contracts were awarded during the previous Labour government, that’s more than a third and almost two in five. 27% were awarded during the Coalition between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, and the rest since the Conservatives entered office in 2015.
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Are you shifting some blame onto the Lib Dems? Naughty! | |
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| Labour on 17:59 - Jan 19 with 7304 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour on 17:56 - Jan 19 by BrixtonBlue |
Are you shifting some blame onto the Lib Dems? Naughty! |
All three main parties are responsible for giving Carillion contracts. | |
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| Labour on 17:59 - Jan 19 with 7302 views | Sarge |
| Labour on 17:54 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
No. 38% of the contracts were awarded during the previous Labour government, that’s more than a third and almost two in five. 27% were awarded during the Coalition between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, and the rest since the Conservatives entered office in 2015.
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So 38% awarded during Labour govt, 35% by Conservative govt, and 27% by a Conservative led coalition.
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| Labour on 18:01 - Jan 19 with 7284 views | BrixtonBlue |
I do need a history lesson it seems, could've sworn Labour came up with it. But not right now as mates are about to turn up. | |
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| Labour on 18:04 - Jan 19 with 7278 views | bournemouthblue |
| Labour on 17:54 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
No. 38% of the contracts were awarded during the previous Labour government, that’s more than a third and almost two in five. 27% were awarded during the Coalition between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, and the rest since the Conservatives entered office in 2015.
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Fabulous massaging of the figures there Glasgow
I'm sure the Lib Dems were all over that | |
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| Labour on 18:07 - Jan 19 with 7254 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour on 18:04 - Jan 19 by bournemouthblue |
Fabulous massaging of the figures there Glasgow
I'm sure the Lib Dems were all over that |
Those figures come from Full Fact. Are you disputing those figures? | |
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| Labour on 18:17 - Jan 19 with 7225 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour on 17:54 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
No. 38% of the contracts were awarded during the previous Labour government, that’s more than a third and almost two in five. 27% were awarded during the Coalition between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, and the rest since the Conservatives entered office in 2015.
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So, what they're saying is that the vast majority of private tendering has happened under Conservative or Conservative-led administrations? [Post edited 19 Jan 2018 18:17]
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| Labour on 18:18 - Jan 19 with 7234 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour on 17:45 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Indeed. A third of the Carillion contracts with the Government were awarded by the last Labour government.
The last contract awarded to Carillion was by Labour run Leeds City Council who authorised the award of a contract worth £14 million to Carillion on 20 December 2017.
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'The other lot were doing it as well' is a really feeble excuse for carrying on with something which is ill-conceived, wasteful, damaging and unnecessary, [Post edited 19 Jan 2018 18:20]
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| Labour on 18:27 - Jan 19 with 7206 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour on 18:07 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Those figures come from Full Fact. Are you disputing those figures? |
I don't think anybody is disputing that the vast majority of NHS privatisation has come under Conservative or conservative-led administrations, as the figures have clearly demonstrated that. | |
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| Labour on 18:29 - Jan 19 with 7197 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour on 17:59 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
All three main parties are responsible for giving Carillion contracts. |
It is purely coincidental that the majority of it has come in the wake of the 2012 Health and Social Care act which explicitly obliges Clinical Commissioning Groups to put any and all NHS service out to tender. | |
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| Labour on 18:33 - Jan 19 with 7203 views | Steve_M |
The current state of the NHS is profoundly political though and, whilst PFI is a blot on Labour's record, they've not been in power for seven years and PFI had been happily carried on ever since. The consequences of Lansley's Health and Social Care Act and the decimation of social care that had continued under Hunt are the major causes of this crisis. |  |
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| Labour on 18:39 - Jan 19 with 7180 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour on 18:33 - Jan 19 by Steve_M |
The current state of the NHS is profoundly political though and, whilst PFI is a blot on Labour's record, they've not been in power for seven years and PFI had been happily carried on ever since. The consequences of Lansley's Health and Social Care Act and the decimation of social care that had continued under Hunt are the major causes of this crisis. |
Speaking of Mr rhyming-slang, I'm sure that the management of Ipswich Hospital were DELIGHTED to see him expressing his pleasure in public at how they're dangerously understaffed pretty much everywhere.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-hunt-blasted-for-dim-tweet-revealin [Post edited 19 Jan 2018 18:41]
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| Labour on 18:43 - Jan 19 with 7179 views | Sporall |
So the NHS should be excluded from politics? |  | | |
| Labour on 18:54 - Jan 19 with 7160 views | StokieBlue |
| Labour on 18:17 - Jan 19 by BlueBadger |
So, what they're saying is that the vast majority of private tendering has happened under Conservative or Conservative-led administrations? [Post edited 19 Jan 2018 18:17]
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I thought you were correct (and you probably are) but the numbers in the factcheck of McDonnells sheet say there were more in number and value under Blair:
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-john-mcdonnells-labour-confere
It does stop at 2015 but I am sure I've read elsewhere that isn't the case and that number looks wrong.
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| Labour on 18:59 - Jan 19 with 7146 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Labour on 18:17 - Jan 19 by BlueBadger |
So, what they're saying is that the vast majority of private tendering has happened under Conservative or Conservative-led administrations? [Post edited 19 Jan 2018 18:17]
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Although PFI payments, including interest, are less than 10% of government spending on Capital projects |  | | |
| Labour on 19:01 - Jan 19 with 7142 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour on 18:18 - Jan 19 by BlueBadger |
'The other lot were doing it as well' is a really feeble excuse for carrying on with something which is ill-conceived, wasteful, damaging and unnecessary, [Post edited 19 Jan 2018 18:20]
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It should also be remembered that overwhelming majority of the contracts awarded during the Labour years were largely(but, by no means exclusively, the disastrous Hinchinbrook hospital privatisation was commissioned pre-2010 and the ill-fated takeover of community services by Serco was prior to the 2012 H&SC Act) for ancillary services such as catering, cleaning, out-of-hours imaging interpretation, housekeeping and portering and security. The fact that these services were largely poor in quality of service delivered(it's no coincidence, for example, that rates of hospital acquired infection, notably MRSA increased greatly in the wake off outsourced cleaning contracts), whilst offering little by way of savings as well as requiring increasing management costs to administer should have been sufficient for any incoming change of government to think 'hang on, this probably isn't a good idea' rather than accelerating with the whole expensive, damaging and overly beaurocratic process. | |
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