| Handball? on 09:47 - Feb 22 with 3823 views | BrixtonBlue |
I can't see anything wrong with it if I'm honest. |  |
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| Handball? on 09:49 - Feb 22 with 3810 views | Superfrans |
That's ridiculous. The ball touched *both* his arms.... |  |
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| Handball? on 09:50 - Feb 22 with 3796 views | Herbivore |
| Handball? on 09:47 - Feb 22 by BrixtonBlue |
I can't see anything wrong with it if I'm honest. |
What about the fact it hit both his hands?
The free kick was a joke as well. Ref was a clown. |  |
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| Handball? on 09:54 - Feb 22 with 3783 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
| Handball? on 09:49 - Feb 22 by Superfrans |
That's ridiculous. The ball touched *both* his arms.... |
definite advantage - even if it was accidental.
Free kick |  | | |
| Handball? on 09:59 - Feb 22 with 3756 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Handball? on 09:50 - Feb 22 by Herbivore |
What about the fact it hit both his hands?
The free kick was a joke as well. Ref was a clown. |
Barely. And accidental. I'd be annoyed if we had a goal chalked off for that. | |
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| Handball? on 10:03 - Feb 22 with 3736 views | Samuelowen88 |
From Law 12:
HANDLING THE BALL
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.
The following must be considered:
+ the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
+ the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
+ the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence
+ touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) is an offence
+ hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an offence
The goalkeeper has the same restrictions on handling the ball as any other player outside the penalty area. Inside their penalty area, the goalkeeper cannot be guilty of a handling offence incurring a direct free kick or any related sanction but can be guilty of handling offences that incur an indirect free kick. |  |
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| Handball? on 10:05 - Feb 22 with 3724 views | hoppy |
| Handball? on 09:50 - Feb 22 by Herbivore |
What about the fact it hit both his hands?
The free kick was a joke as well. Ref was a clown. |
Yes, but apart from hitting both his arms...
Another slightly annoying thing was the number of times the ref got really picky about making sure WE took a throw-in from the exact place (to the nearest cm) from where the ball went off, yet the number of times, particularly in the first half I noticed, Cardiff were stealing almost 20 yards along the touchline in front of the Cobbold without being told to go back or re-take it from the correct place.
Only a little thing, but it did make me tut. |  |
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| Handball? on 10:07 - Feb 22 with 3713 views | BlueNomad |
| Handball? on 09:47 - Feb 22 by BrixtonBlue |
I can't see anything wrong with it if I'm honest. |
I was sat behind the goal. He stopped the ball with his hands. So blatant I didn't even react when he knocked it in because I was expecting the referee to disallow it. |  | | |
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| Handball? on 10:08 - Feb 22 with 3705 views | Herbivore |
| Handball? on 09:59 - Feb 22 by BrixtonBlue |
Barely. And accidental. I'd be annoyed if we had a goal chalked off for that. |
Righto. | |
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| Handball? on 10:10 - Feb 22 with 3702 views | PJH |
| Handball? on 10:07 - Feb 22 by BlueNomad |
I was sat behind the goal. He stopped the ball with his hands. So blatant I didn't even react when he knocked it in because I was expecting the referee to disallow it. |
I don't think the ref had a good view of it.
His view was blocked by that bloke with his hand on the ball. [Post edited 22 Feb 2018 10:12]
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| Handball? on 10:15 - Feb 22 with 3675 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Handball? on 10:05 - Feb 22 by hoppy |
Yes, but apart from hitting both his arms...
Another slightly annoying thing was the number of times the ref got really picky about making sure WE took a throw-in from the exact place (to the nearest cm) from where the ball went off, yet the number of times, particularly in the first half I noticed, Cardiff were stealing almost 20 yards along the touchline in front of the Cobbold without being told to go back or re-take it from the correct place.
Only a little thing, but it did make me tut. |
See the law above. | |
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| Handball? on 10:16 - Feb 22 with 3670 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Handball? on 10:07 - Feb 22 by BlueNomad |
I was sat behind the goal. He stopped the ball with his hands. So blatant I didn't even react when he knocked it in because I was expecting the referee to disallow it. |
Accidentally. | |
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| Handball? on 10:16 - Feb 22 with 3663 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Handball? on 10:08 - Feb 22 by Herbivore |
Righto. |
The law, posted above by Samuel, is quite clear. | |
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| Handball? on 10:21 - Feb 22 with 3645 views | EastTownBlue |
| Handball? on 10:10 - Feb 22 by PJH |
I don't think the ref had a good view of it.
His view was blocked by that bloke with his hand on the ball. [Post edited 22 Feb 2018 10:12]
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That same ref didn’t have a good view of the blatant handball which denied us a penalty on Boxing Day against QPR.
That same ref didn’t have a good view of the handball in the lead up to the opening goal in the away match at QPR earlier this season.
I don’t have a good view of that ref either. |  | | |
| Handball? on 10:24 - Feb 22 with 3626 views | Superfrans |
| Handball? on 10:16 - Feb 22 by BrixtonBlue |
The law, posted above by Samuel, is quite clear. |
You can obviously make the case that it's accidental, but the way the rule is often implemented is to give handball if an advantage is gained in those circumstances. In the majority of cases, that would be given as handball. | |
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| Handball? on 10:39 - Feb 22 with 3580 views | nshearman1 |
| Handball? on 10:24 - Feb 22 by Superfrans |
You can obviously make the case that it's accidental, but the way the rule is often implemented is to give handball if an advantage is gained in those circumstances. In the majority of cases, that would be given as handball. |
Agreed. The rule perhaps needs clarification. If a direct advantage is gained by he handball, if it leads to a goal, even an accidental handball should be given. | | | |
| Handball? on 10:39 - Feb 22 with 3581 views | sparks |
| Handball? on 10:24 - Feb 22 by Superfrans |
You can obviously make the case that it's accidental, but the way the rule is often implemented is to give handball if an advantage is gained in those circumstances. In the majority of cases, that would be given as handball. |
Its not deliberate. Decisions was correct. |  |
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| Handball? on 10:57 - Feb 22 with 3525 views | itfcjoe |
It was clearly handball, touched both his arms and gave him an advantage.
Ref was terrible, as they are seemingly every week at this level - allowed Zohore and Madine to manhandle defenders all night and then started giving them soft free kicks - one of which lead to that goal.
And then after all that time wasting we got 3 minutes added on, no consistency |  |
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| Handball? on 11:01 - Feb 22 with 3501 views | Herbivore |
| Handball? on 10:57 - Feb 22 by itfcjoe |
It was clearly handball, touched both his arms and gave him an advantage.
Ref was terrible, as they are seemingly every week at this level - allowed Zohore and Madine to manhandle defenders all night and then started giving them soft free kicks - one of which lead to that goal.
And then after all that time wasting we got 3 minutes added on, no consistency |
Agree with all of that. How he gave a free kick against Carter-Vickers at the end when he was being manhandled is also a mystery. I said yesterday that we was refereeing the league table, not the game. I suspect he'd have given the handball at the other end and would have given them a pen for the defender being all over Carter-Vickers. If we'd been 1-0 up and timewasting it'd have been 5 minutes stoppage time at least. | |
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| Handball? on 11:04 - Feb 22 with 3489 views | Nazemariner |
| Handball? on 10:03 - Feb 22 by Samuelowen88 |
From Law 12:
HANDLING THE BALL
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.
The following must be considered:
+ the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
+ the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
+ the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence
+ touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) is an offence
+ hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an offence
The goalkeeper has the same restrictions on handling the ball as any other player outside the penalty area. Inside their penalty area, the goalkeeper cannot be guilty of a handling offence incurring a direct free kick or any related sanction but can be guilty of handling offences that incur an indirect free kick. |
The rule seems to suggest that the ball can hit both arms and still not be a handball??? |  | | |
| Handball? on 11:08 - Feb 22 with 3469 views | sparks |
| Handball? on 11:04 - Feb 22 by Nazemariner |
The rule seems to suggest that the ball can hit both arms and still not be a handball??? |
It is extraordinary just how many people still don't actually know the laws of the game. | |
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| Handball? on 11:09 - Feb 22 with 3459 views | Superfrans |
| Handball? on 10:39 - Feb 22 by nshearman1 |
Agreed. The rule perhaps needs clarification. If a direct advantage is gained by he handball, if it leads to a goal, even an accidental handball should be given. |
The rule doesn't work as is, imho.
I'd change it to make whether it is accidental irrelevant. If it hits the arm (as last night, twice) its a foul. | |
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| Handball? on 11:16 - Feb 22 with 3437 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Handball? on 10:57 - Feb 22 by itfcjoe |
It was clearly handball, touched both his arms and gave him an advantage.
Ref was terrible, as they are seemingly every week at this level - allowed Zohore and Madine to manhandle defenders all night and then started giving them soft free kicks - one of which lead to that goal.
And then after all that time wasting we got 3 minutes added on, no consistency |
"It was clearly handball, touched both his arms and gave him an advantage."
That's not the definition of the law though. It has to be deliberate. Why are some of you ignoring this? Samuel has posted it above.
I agree the ref was pretty bad most of the game but he applied the law correctly there. | |
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| Handball? on 11:18 - Feb 22 with 3430 views | Nazemariner |
| Handball? on 11:08 - Feb 22 by sparks |
It is extraordinary just how many people still don't actually know the laws of the game. |
Does that include the officials?
Call me old fashioned, but if the ball ricochets off both arms, away from the defenders, and into favourable position for the attacker to tuck away, then irrelevant of intention it must be a handball.
Mustn't it? | | | |
| Handball? on 11:18 - Feb 22 with 3427 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Handball? on 11:08 - Feb 22 by sparks |
It is extraordinary just how many people still don't actually know the laws of the game. |
Indeed. Even when they're posted in this very thread. | |
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