| Headline which encapsulates the problem 09:00 - Mar 21 with 4909 views | Guthrum |
'Two thirds of Britons think EU will win Brexit talks'
Win? Win??? It's not a bl~~dy competition!
This is about negotiating a practical solution - thus necessitating compromise - to the issue of the UK separating itself from the European Union. There will have to be a degree of give-and-take. No outcome will be perfect for one side or the other.
But equally, it's not a zero-sum, "we win you lose" situation. Agreements can be beneficial (or damaging) for both parties.
Could the media and sections of the political community please stop treating Brexit as some binary contest combined with a points-scoring exercise and be sensible about things for the long-term good of the country? |  |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 09:27 - Mar 21 with 4267 views | BlueBadger |
It's almost like the whole things being driven by dogmatic incompetents with no real interest in the country's welfare. |  |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 09:28 - Mar 21 with 4259 views | ElderGrizzly |
Yeah, we might ‘win’ less than we have now, but pay more for it! 🙄 |  | | |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 09:33 - Mar 21 with 4245 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 09:27 - Mar 21 by BlueBadger |
It's almost like the whole things being driven by dogmatic incompetents with no real interest in the country's welfare. |
Good definition of all politicians there |  | | |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 09:39 - Mar 21 with 4240 views | BlueBadger |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 09:28 - Mar 21 by ElderGrizzly |
Yeah, we might ‘win’ less than we have now, but pay more for it! 🙄 |
You speak for yourself, I can't wait for my £1.4bn a month pay rise! [Post edited 21 Mar 2018 9:40]
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 10:03 - Mar 21 with 4211 views | J2BLUE |
Negotiate the best deal possible. When it has been agreed in full, put the full deal to a referendum.
New deal vs staying in.
Don't announce the referendum until the final deal is fully agreed so the EU negotiate in good faith. |  |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 10:13 - Mar 21 with 4189 views | vapour_trail |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 10:03 - Mar 21 by J2BLUE |
Negotiate the best deal possible. When it has been agreed in full, put the full deal to a referendum.
New deal vs staying in.
Don't announce the referendum until the final deal is fully agreed so the EU negotiate in good faith. |
Would that stop glassers and dolly’s corbyn love-in for a while? |  |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 10:14 - Mar 21 with 4185 views | J2BLUE |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 10:13 - Mar 21 by vapour_trail |
Would that stop glassers and dolly’s corbyn love-in for a while? |
Those two need to book a room and get it over with. | |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 10:19 - Mar 21 with 4175 views | Darth_Koont |
Oh dear.
Yes, how it's framed as a binary/adversarial contest isn't really helpful. Better to see it as a damage limitation exercise where the EU is the senior partner calling the shots.
But however it's framed, two-thirds of Britons think we'll "win"?!!!! It's like they haven't been paying any attention to how negotiations have gone so far and where they're still heading. |  |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 10:23 - Mar 21 with 4167 views | meekreech |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 10:03 - Mar 21 by J2BLUE |
Negotiate the best deal possible. When it has been agreed in full, put the full deal to a referendum.
New deal vs staying in.
Don't announce the referendum until the final deal is fully agreed so the EU negotiate in good faith. |
No chance of that . The EU will never negotiate let alone in good faith ! To them it is all about being seen to be in complete control . |  |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 11:36 - Mar 21 with 4101 views | Swansea_Blue |
I'm not too happy about this disappearance of Article 32 relating to freedom of movement. Why have a two-tiered society where some Brits get the option of freedom of movement in the EU but the rest of us don't? Just because as a result of chance they happen to be living in the EU while this is all being sorted out. What about the rest of us who either have in the past, or plan to in the future or currently travel round the EU regularly for work or pleasure?
Surely it has to be a uniform stance? Either freedom of movement or not. |  |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 12:19 - Mar 21 with 4067 views | factual_blue |
For too many the mistaken belief that we'll no longer be beholden to nasty, greasy foreigners means they think we'll 'win' no matter how dire the consequences. |  |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 12:27 - Mar 21 with 4039 views | No9 |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 11:36 - Mar 21 by Swansea_Blue |
I'm not too happy about this disappearance of Article 32 relating to freedom of movement. Why have a two-tiered society where some Brits get the option of freedom of movement in the EU but the rest of us don't? Just because as a result of chance they happen to be living in the EU while this is all being sorted out. What about the rest of us who either have in the past, or plan to in the future or currently travel round the EU regularly for work or pleasure?
Surely it has to be a uniform stance? Either freedom of movement or not. |
I don't beleive the brexit politicians have considered any of this unless, they deliberately want to keep Brits 'on the island'? | | | |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 12:35 - Mar 21 with 4037 views | J2BLUE |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 12:27 - Mar 21 by No9 |
I don't beleive the brexit politicians have considered any of this unless, they deliberately want to keep Brits 'on the island'? |
You are the most biased person on here. Everything = EU amazing, Conservatives terrible. | |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 13:06 - Mar 21 with 3994 views | Darth_Koont |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 12:35 - Mar 21 by J2BLUE |
You are the most biased person on here. Everything = EU amazing, Conservatives terrible. |
That's clearly not 100% true. But if you'd taken that view as your guiding light a few years ago and followed it you'd have ended up pretty much where we are now. [Post edited 21 Mar 2018 13:07]
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 13:17 - Mar 21 with 3962 views | Ryorry |
But didn't you realise it's England v Germany?! 
Let's just hope it doesn't go to penalties ... |  |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 15:05 - Mar 21 with 3900 views | No9 |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 12:35 - Mar 21 by J2BLUE |
You are the most biased person on here. Everything = EU amazing, Conservatives terrible. |
You are not watching are you?
The EU is far from being all bad & nowhere near as bad as the brexiteers would have you believe & our problem is that we never send real people to act as MEP's | | | |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 15:08 - Mar 21 with 3901 views | chicoazul |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 10:03 - Mar 21 by J2BLUE |
Negotiate the best deal possible. When it has been agreed in full, put the full deal to a referendum.
New deal vs staying in.
Don't announce the referendum until the final deal is fully agreed so the EU negotiate in good faith. |
Lots of people seem to think it is as simple as "staying in". I'm not so sure the EU wouldnt try to force us into a new deal that meant much stronger integration than we currently have. |  |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 15:10 - Mar 21 with 3894 views | No9 |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 13:17 - Mar 21 by Ryorry |
But didn't you realise it's England v Germany?!
Let's just hope it doesn't go to penalties ... |
But Germany already have England in their grip | | | |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 16:00 - Mar 21 with 3871 views | GeoffSentence |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 10:19 - Mar 21 by Darth_Koont |
Oh dear.
Yes, how it's framed as a binary/adversarial contest isn't really helpful. Better to see it as a damage limitation exercise where the EU is the senior partner calling the shots.
But however it's framed, two-thirds of Britons think we'll "win"?!!!! It's like they haven't been paying any attention to how negotiations have gone so far and where they're still heading. |
Actually Koonters, it's more like you didn't read the opening line properly |  |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 19:13 - Mar 21 with 3820 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 11:36 - Mar 21 by Swansea_Blue |
I'm not too happy about this disappearance of Article 32 relating to freedom of movement. Why have a two-tiered society where some Brits get the option of freedom of movement in the EU but the rest of us don't? Just because as a result of chance they happen to be living in the EU while this is all being sorted out. What about the rest of us who either have in the past, or plan to in the future or currently travel round the EU regularly for work or pleasure?
Surely it has to be a uniform stance? Either freedom of movement or not. |
Those UK citizens who want to work in EU countries have been totally shafted. Losing our right to live, study and work across EU27 is a real bonfire of rights.
Still, there will be plenty of jobs in the new customs hangars in Kent. If we ever get around to building them. If not, then plenty of jobs hawking food and water to 20-mile lorry queues. | | | |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 19:14 - Mar 21 with 3818 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 15:08 - Mar 21 by chicoazul |
Lots of people seem to think it is as simple as "staying in". I'm not so sure the EU wouldnt try to force us into a new deal that meant much stronger integration than we currently have. |
Fine by me if it reduced the power of Westminster. | | | |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 19:43 - Mar 21 with 3794 views | Herbivore |
They won, we lost. Get over it.
Or something like that. |  |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 20:40 - Mar 21 with 3765 views | bournemouthblue |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 15:08 - Mar 21 by chicoazul |
Lots of people seem to think it is as simple as "staying in". I'm not so sure the EU wouldnt try to force us into a new deal that meant much stronger integration than we currently have. |
We have never really been fully in
No Euro, No Schengen Agreement
It's by no means completely frictionless trade with different currencies involved |  |
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| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 20:42 - Mar 21 with 3761 views | Darth_Koont |
| Headline which encapsulates the problem on 16:00 - Mar 21 by GeoffSentence |
Actually Koonters, it's more like you didn't read the opening line properly |
Jeez. Yeah, I got that completely wrong. And I must have read it a few times too.
My faith in the UK is returning a little ...  | |
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