| Genuine question re NHS wage rises 10:14 - Mar 22 with 8283 views | connorscontract |
Have the Government guaranteed that they will find all of the extra costs of the NHS pay rises, and associated "On Costs" with additional money?
If not, how are NHS Trusts, many of which are at financial breaking-point already, supposed to fund it? |  | | |  |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:17 - Mar 22 with 4267 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Its all coming from the Treasury, Not NHS budgets.
Unlike the Police pay rises, which we are all starting to see in our council tax bills. |  |
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| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:21 - Mar 22 with 4262 views | Currie10 |
* Charge patients for missed appointments.
* Stop booking translators for people with zero interest in speaking English / learning.
Our department has just spent 1.5 hours this morning, desperately finding a translator at a cost of £200......... |  | | |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:24 - Mar 22 with 4254 views | connorscontract |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:17 - Mar 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Its all coming from the Treasury, Not NHS budgets.
Unlike the Police pay rises, which we are all starting to see in our council tax bills. |
The headline is that the wages are, but will the "On Costs" eg increased pension contributions? | | | |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:26 - Mar 22 with 4249 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:24 - Mar 22 by connorscontract |
The headline is that the wages are, but will the "On Costs" eg increased pension contributions? |
As I understand it, it's all in the treasury package. | |
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| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:26 - Mar 22 with 4255 views | BlueBadger |
Scrap the internal market which costs, at conservative estimate, £4bn a year to run. It's a whole tier of management that doesn't need to exist. If it were a footballer, it's be Paul Taylor - an expensive 'luxury' that doesn't deliver anything that it's supposed to. |  |
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| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:28 - Mar 22 with 4240 views | imsureazzure |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:21 - Mar 22 by Currie10 |
* Charge patients for missed appointments.
* Stop booking translators for people with zero interest in speaking English / learning.
Our department has just spent 1.5 hours this morning, desperately finding a translator at a cost of £200......... |
Top idea, same with the courts with regard to the translators. |  | | |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:30 - Mar 22 with 4238 views | BlueBadger |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:28 - Mar 22 by imsureazzure |
Top idea, same with the courts with regard to the translators. |
Ironically enough, this could quite easily increase costs as people may not understand what is required of them to maintain their health, pay their fines, etc , etc meaning that it costs services much, much more on wholly avoidable emergency treatments, fine recovery, etc.
The translation bill is currently dwarfed by the bill for the internal market, which exceeds translation costs by at least 40 times. [Post edited 22 Mar 2018 10:50]
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| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:32 - Mar 22 with 4226 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:21 - Mar 22 by Currie10 |
* Charge patients for missed appointments.
* Stop booking translators for people with zero interest in speaking English / learning.
Our department has just spent 1.5 hours this morning, desperately finding a translator at a cost of £200......... |
Plenty of Brits go off to live in Europe, particularly France and Spain and expect the locals to speak English.
But yes, fine people for missed appts. | |
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| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:33 - Mar 22 with 4219 views | BlueBadger |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:32 - Mar 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Plenty of Brits go off to live in Europe, particularly France and Spain and expect the locals to speak English.
But yes, fine people for missed appts. |
*missed appointments without contacting to explain why - sometimes, sh1t just happens. | |
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| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:35 - Mar 22 with 4212 views | brazil1982 |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:32 - Mar 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Plenty of Brits go off to live in Europe, particularly France and Spain and expect the locals to speak English.
But yes, fine people for missed appts. |
They might expect it, but I doubt the health services in France and Spain employ English translators. | | | |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:35 - Mar 22 with 4206 views | connorscontract |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:26 - Mar 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
As I understand it, it's all in the treasury package. |
Ok. That's good, then.
It will make a big difference to staff morale and retention. | | | |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:39 - Mar 22 with 4198 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:32 - Mar 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Plenty of Brits go off to live in Europe, particularly France and Spain and expect the locals to speak English.
But yes, fine people for missed appts. |
Bit of a stereotype. The only people I know who live in France and Spain have learnt the language. To varying degrees of success I must admit. |  | | |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:39 - Mar 22 with 4192 views | BlueBadger |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:35 - Mar 22 by connorscontract |
Ok. That's good, then.
It will make a big difference to staff morale and retention. |
A slightly lower real-terms cut over three years will make all the difference... | |
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| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:40 - Mar 22 with 4192 views | Basuco |
It is market forces, acute staff shortages mean that pay levels have to rise to attract more staff, pay is now so low even cheap foreign nurses and doctors do not wish to come here and work. It is the same as every industry in that if pay does not attract the sufficient staff then pay levels rise, plenty of staff then pay levels stay very low. This could easily be paid for by keeping services in house rather than paying profits to private companies. |  | | |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:42 - Mar 22 with 4186 views | BlueBadger |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:40 - Mar 22 by Basuco |
It is market forces, acute staff shortages mean that pay levels have to rise to attract more staff, pay is now so low even cheap foreign nurses and doctors do not wish to come here and work. It is the same as every industry in that if pay does not attract the sufficient staff then pay levels rise, plenty of staff then pay levels stay very low. This could easily be paid for by keeping services in house rather than paying profits to private companies. |
The whole internal market is a massive money sinkhole. Simply administering it costs at least £4bn a year. and that's before you factor in in-house services having to pick up the pieces for failing outsourced services. As happened her win suffolk when community nursing services was farmed out. | |
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| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:45 - Mar 22 with 4173 views | connorscontract |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:39 - Mar 22 by BlueBadger |
A slightly lower real-terms cut over three years will make all the difference... |
For who? Is this completely cherry picking some jobs but not others? | | | |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:47 - Mar 22 with 4169 views | BlueBadger |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:45 - Mar 22 by connorscontract |
For who? Is this completely cherry picking some jobs but not others? |
Sorry, should have added 'for NHS staffing retention' to that. | |
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| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:52 - Mar 22 with 4157 views | connorscontract |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:47 - Mar 22 by BlueBadger |
Sorry, should have added 'for NHS staffing retention' to that. |
Yes, I got that, but when you are talking about real terms cuts, do you mean in relation to when the freeze began, or ongoing from now?
It is being reported as a real terms increase. | | | |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:53 - Mar 22 with 4158 views | Herbivore |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:52 - Mar 22 by connorscontract |
Yes, I got that, but when you are talking about real terms cuts, do you mean in relation to when the freeze began, or ongoing from now?
It is being reported as a real terms increase. |
It's 6% over three years and inflation has been running at around 3% so it's still a real terms wage cut, just less of one than they've been used to since 2010. |  |
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| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:54 - Mar 22 with 4152 views | BlueBadger |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:52 - Mar 22 by connorscontract |
Yes, I got that, but when you are talking about real terms cuts, do you mean in relation to when the freeze began, or ongoing from now?
It is being reported as a real terms increase. |
It's really not. It's staged over three years. It'll be roughly on a level with inflation in the first year and below it after that. | |
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| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:54 - Mar 22 with 4152 views | noggin |
Did I read that nurses are losing a day’s holiday for the pay rise? |  |
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| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:56 - Mar 22 with 4140 views | BlueBadger |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:54 - Mar 22 by noggin |
Did I read that nurses are losing a day’s holiday for the pay rise? |
Not any more. | |
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| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 11:19 - Mar 22 with 4118 views | connorscontract |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:53 - Mar 22 by Herbivore |
It's 6% over three years and inflation has been running at around 3% so it's still a real terms wage cut, just less of one than they've been used to since 2010. |
Ok. The arricle I read this morning emphasised the big uplift in starting wages, and the tone of the article was that this was a (belated but) decent wage rise.
Which points to the BBC not asking the difficult questions before publishing. Again.
The whole thing is classic divide and conquer: half of staff getting better rises, half getting around or under inflation. So the experienced (more expensive) staff get peed off and leave and the younger (cheaper) staff are happier with their lot. | | | |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 11:23 - Mar 22 with 4112 views | BlueBadger |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 11:19 - Mar 22 by connorscontract |
Ok. The arricle I read this morning emphasised the big uplift in starting wages, and the tone of the article was that this was a (belated but) decent wage rise.
Which points to the BBC not asking the difficult questions before publishing. Again.
The whole thing is classic divide and conquer: half of staff getting better rises, half getting around or under inflation. So the experienced (more expensive) staff get peed off and leave and the younger (cheaper) staff are happier with their lot. |
..until they hit the top of their band and the whole sorry cycle starts again. | |
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| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 11:26 - Mar 22 with 4100 views | Darth_Koont |
| Genuine question re NHS wage rises on 10:17 - Mar 22 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Its all coming from the Treasury, Not NHS budgets.
Unlike the Police pay rises, which we are all starting to see in our council tax bills. |
What's this "Treasury" you're talking about? It's called the Magic Money Treeâ„¢ |  |
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