| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to 17:34 - Apr 16 with 6628 views | Steve_M |
He's right, this is a national disgrace. To everyone other than the Prime Minister it seems.
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 17:38 - Apr 16 with 5662 views | itfcjoe |
Yep, it’s awful - plenty of individuals tales about this are pretty harrowing and heart breaking |  |
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 17:41 - Apr 16 with 5639 views | footers |
He's spot on. People like that, my family included, who came to post-war Britain have made this country a much better, more diverse place. Modern Britain was built by these people and we owe them a lot.
And surprise, surprise in Rudd being a horrible t0sser shocker. |  |
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 17:42 - Apr 16 with 5628 views | GlasgowBlue |
It should never have got to this. Rudd is turning out to be even more awful a Home Secretary than her predecessor. |  |
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 18:20 - Apr 16 with 5514 views | factual_blue |
I hope a gif appears of amber rudd's 'rabbit in the headlights' face.
That was a Lammy Slammy. |  |
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 20:59 - Apr 16 with 5342 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
I agree that anyone who's been working legally in this country for over ten years should be granted citizenship, but what are the numbers he's talking about? And what was the impediment to them being granted citizenship before it got to this stage? |  | | |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 21:11 - Apr 16 with 5310 views | Superfrans |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 20:59 - Apr 16 by FrowsyArmLarry |
I agree that anyone who's been working legally in this country for over ten years should be granted citizenship, but what are the numbers he's talking about? And what was the impediment to them being granted citizenship before it got to this stage? |
From my limited understanding of the situation, these were people who were citizens, or at least always thought they were, came to this country as kids and have never got a passport so never formalised their citizenship. Utterly shameful for them to be treated this way. [Post edited 16 Apr 2018 21:12]
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 21:34 - Apr 16 with 5269 views | BloomBlue |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 21:11 - Apr 16 by Superfrans |
From my limited understanding of the situation, these were people who were citizens, or at least always thought they were, came to this country as kids and have never got a passport so never formalised their citizenship. Utterly shameful for them to be treated this way. [Post edited 16 Apr 2018 21:12]
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I'll admit I don't really understand the whole situation so just an inquisitive question; why has it just come to light now why weren't they given the citizenship previously? |  | | |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 21:34 - Apr 16 with 5268 views | gordon |
Absolutely disgusting - and worth pointing out the relentless work that the Guardian and Amelia Gentleman have done so far in trying to make the public aware to try and force Rudd / May to acknowledge the problem.
Things will look pretty awful when the full extent of what's happened comes out, I suspect.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/16/windrush-u-turn-welcome-but-ther |  | | |
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 21:38 - Apr 16 with 5250 views | HurleyBurley |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 17:42 - Apr 16 by GlasgowBlue |
It should never have got to this. Rudd is turning out to be even more awful a Home Secretary than her predecessor. |
Then she's just one step away from PM. |  |
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 21:40 - Apr 16 with 5243 views | footers |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 21:34 - Apr 16 by BloomBlue |
I'll admit I don't really understand the whole situation so just an inquisitive question; why has it just come to light now why weren't they given the citizenship previously? |
My guess is that documentation then, and still is in some places, was very sketchy or non-existent. Only when my nanny died some eighteen years ago did my grandad have to get his birth certificates from Ireland. That was a massive headache, ended up retrieving a scribble from some backwater parish church in Mayo.
If you are literally invited into a country, it's surely understandable that you wouldn't necessarily worry about it. Times have changed now though, and proper documentation/registration is a must in almost all aspects of our day-to-day existence. | |
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 21:45 - Apr 16 with 5216 views | BloomBlue |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 21:40 - Apr 16 by footers |
My guess is that documentation then, and still is in some places, was very sketchy or non-existent. Only when my nanny died some eighteen years ago did my grandad have to get his birth certificates from Ireland. That was a massive headache, ended up retrieving a scribble from some backwater parish church in Mayo.
If you are literally invited into a country, it's surely understandable that you wouldn't necessarily worry about it. Times have changed now though, and proper documentation/registration is a must in almost all aspects of our day-to-day existence. |
Thanks, makes sense, I was thinking why weren't they given citizenship by default as they had been invited | | | |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 22:57 - Apr 16 with 5138 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 17:42 - Apr 16 by GlasgowBlue |
It should never have got to this. Rudd is turning out to be even more awful a Home Secretary than her predecessor. |
Should we spend the next 2 years trying to convince the forum that May's Conservative party ("we will create a hostile environment for (illegal) immigrants") is a racist party! [Post edited 16 Apr 2018 22:58]
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 23:07 - Apr 16 with 5118 views | tractordownsouth |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 21:38 - Apr 16 by HurleyBurley |
Then she's just one step away from PM. |
Her majority is only a few hundred, so she's in danger of being unseated in the next election. |  |
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 23:37 - Apr 16 with 5064 views | ElderGrizzly |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 21:11 - Apr 16 by Superfrans |
From my limited understanding of the situation, these were people who were citizens, or at least always thought they were, came to this country as kids and have never got a passport so never formalised their citizenship. Utterly shameful for them to be treated this way. [Post edited 16 Apr 2018 21:12]
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Even the Daily Mail has turned on the Government to protect immigrants.
That’as a signal for the end of days isn’t it? 😳
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 00:55 - Apr 17 with 4994 views | homer_123 |
As you know Steve, I posted on this the other day. Bloody shocking. |  |
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 01:15 - Apr 17 with 4975 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 21:40 - Apr 16 by footers |
My guess is that documentation then, and still is in some places, was very sketchy or non-existent. Only when my nanny died some eighteen years ago did my grandad have to get his birth certificates from Ireland. That was a massive headache, ended up retrieving a scribble from some backwater parish church in Mayo.
If you are literally invited into a country, it's surely understandable that you wouldn't necessarily worry about it. Times have changed now though, and proper documentation/registration is a must in almost all aspects of our day-to-day existence. |
Computerisation makes a lot of this stuff binary.
I’d still like to know the numbers though. If we’re only talking about a couple of hundred cases this is just another case of having a stick to beat the government with re: identity politics. | | | |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 06:35 - Apr 17 with 4867 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 01:15 - Apr 17 by FrowsyArmLarry |
Computerisation makes a lot of this stuff binary.
I’d still like to know the numbers though. If we’re only talking about a couple of hundred cases this is just another case of having a stick to beat the government with re: identity politics. |
I believe 50,000 was mentioned on newsnight. | |
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 06:49 - Apr 17 with 4857 views | tcblue |
I was watching the opening ceremony of the 2012 Olympics the other day. What's happened in less than six years to this country? That was a celebration of multicultural Britain, of the NHS....it feels like a different country. |  | | |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 06:54 - Apr 17 with 4848 views | vapour_trail |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 06:49 - Apr 17 by tcblue |
I was watching the opening ceremony of the 2012 Olympics the other day. What's happened in less than six years to this country? That was a celebration of multicultural Britain, of the NHS....it feels like a different country. |
To be fair I remember a lot of people moaning on here that night about that ceremony being politicised in bringing immigration and the nhs to the party.
I’d suggest most people on here would not celebrate multicultural Britain, but view it as a mistake. |  |
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 06:59 - Apr 17 with 4835 views | tcblue |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 06:54 - Apr 17 by vapour_trail |
To be fair I remember a lot of people moaning on here that night about that ceremony being politicised in bringing immigration and the nhs to the party.
I’d suggest most people on here would not celebrate multicultural Britain, but view it as a mistake. |
Yeah, but they're weak minded rubes | | | |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 07:35 - Apr 17 with 4771 views | chicoazul |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 21:40 - Apr 16 by footers |
My guess is that documentation then, and still is in some places, was very sketchy or non-existent. Only when my nanny died some eighteen years ago did my grandad have to get his birth certificates from Ireland. That was a massive headache, ended up retrieving a scribble from some backwater parish church in Mayo.
If you are literally invited into a country, it's surely understandable that you wouldn't necessarily worry about it. Times have changed now though, and proper documentation/registration is a must in almost all aspects of our day-to-day existence. |
This is all a big smokescreen for the introduction of ID cards. |  |
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 07:45 - Apr 17 with 4757 views | Steve_M |
| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 21:45 - Apr 16 by BloomBlue |
Thanks, makes sense, I was thinking why weren't they given citizenship by default as they had been invited |
To add to the other answer, part of the reason this is all coming to light now is purely age-related: people are reaching retirement age, needing medical treatment and so only now need to demonstrate citizenship. | |
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 08:41 - Apr 17 with 4692 views | Radlett_blue |
Yes, the Home Office appears not to be fit for purpose.
Another example of why is that it has routinely failed to deport foreign criminals, including murderers, after they have completed their sentences. |  |
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| David Lammy in Parliament today should be listened to on 09:44 - Apr 17 with 4623 views | Archer4721 |
"If you lay down with dogs you get fleas"
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