| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting 07:46 - Apr 28 with 7664 views | GeoffSentence |
Testing out photo id before allowing people to vote using a problem which barely exists as an excuse.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43932073
Of course the people least likely to have such ID are least likely to be the comfortab!y off people who vote for them.
You have to admire how they work tirelessly to fix the elections. |  |
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:06 - Apr 28 with 3640 views | WD19 |
As part of the ‘pilot’ I have to say that being expected to turn up with your poll card in hand is hardly onorous. Most people remember their tickets when going to the football. |  | | |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:09 - Apr 28 with 3632 views | Herbivore |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:06 - Apr 28 by WD19 |
As part of the ‘pilot’ I have to say that being expected to turn up with your poll card in hand is hardly onorous. Most people remember their tickets when going to the football. |
Erm, that's not what is being asked for? They are asking for ID to be provided. |  |
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:10 - Apr 28 with 3627 views | WD19 |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:09 - Apr 28 by Herbivore |
Erm, that's not what is being asked for? They are asking for ID to be provided. |
The poll card delivered to your house counts as ID. | | | |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:13 - Apr 28 with 3614 views | azuremerlangus |
Driving license. Expensive? |  |
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:18 - Apr 28 with 3600 views | Herbivore |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:10 - Apr 28 by WD19 |
The poll card delivered to your house counts as ID. |
Maybe in your area, but they are also piloting photo ID. The evil witch Chloe Smith is on the Beeb talking about it now. | |
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:18 - Apr 28 with 3596 views | No9 |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:06 - Apr 28 by WD19 |
As part of the ‘pilot’ I have to say that being expected to turn up with your poll card in hand is hardly onorous. Most people remember their tickets when going to the football. |
It may be where you live but, where I live you can''t vote if you don't have your Poll Card, which those overseeing events at the polling station, compare to the list of voters & mark it off when you present it.
What a lot of people complain about is, this card carries a voter number which then allows anyone to, if they have the time or desire, to see how you voted.
Showing an ID is something different |  | | |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:18 - Apr 28 with 3595 views | Herbivore |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:13 - Apr 28 by azuremerlangus |
Driving license. Expensive? |
Many people on a low income can't afford to drive. | |
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:20 - Apr 28 with 3592 views | meekreech |
Most of the fraudulent use of voting is generally in the less affluent constituencies where the winner is the socialist candidate ! | |
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:20 - Apr 28 with 3588 views | No9 |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:13 - Apr 28 by azuremerlangus |
Driving license. Expensive? |
A lot of people don't have one | | | |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:20 - Apr 28 with 3589 views | azuremerlangus |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:18 - Apr 28 by Herbivore |
Many people on a low income can't afford to drive. |
Who said anything about driving? You just have one for ID. [Post edited 28 Apr 2018 8:23]
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:22 - Apr 28 with 3581 views | azuremerlangus |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:20 - Apr 28 by No9 |
A lot of people don't have one |
Just get a provisional one - hey presto you have a proper ID when you need one. | |
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:23 - Apr 28 with 3575 views | No9 |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:20 - Apr 28 by meekreech |
Most of the fraudulent use of voting is generally in the less affluent constituencies where the winner is the socialist candidate ! |
Wrong, the bloke in court for electoral fraud is a tory | | | |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:25 - Apr 28 with 3570 views | meekreech |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:18 - Apr 28 by No9 |
It may be where you live but, where I live you can''t vote if you don't have your Poll Card, which those overseeing events at the polling station, compare to the list of voters & mark it off when you present it.
What a lot of people complain about is, this card carries a voter number which then allows anyone to, if they have the time or desire, to see how you voted.
Showing an ID is something different |
Only if they have the access , and the time available , to trawl through the voting papers , generally stored in a secure place ! | |
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:30 - Apr 28 with 3556 views | meekreech |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:23 - Apr 28 by No9 |
Wrong, the bloke in court for electoral fraud is a tory |
Try remembering the multi fraud cases in the London areas all involving labour officials , or have you only got one eye ? | |
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:43 - Apr 28 with 3526 views | StokieBlue |
Not a perfect solution but I do think there should be some way of proving your identity. Don't even need a voters card at the moment, just turn up and say anyone's name.
Obviously electronic voting would be the paradigm going forward but we won't see that for a while.
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:45 - Apr 28 with 3521 views | BloomBlue |
When I have to collect a parcel from the post office I have to take ID, what's the problem. |  | | |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:47 - Apr 28 with 3518 views | Herbivore |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:22 - Apr 28 by azuremerlangus |
Just get a provisional one - hey presto you have a proper ID when you need one. |
They cost £34. That's not an expense you can afford purely for the sake of having a photo ID if you're on a low income. | |
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:51 - Apr 28 with 3510 views | StokieBlue |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:47 - Apr 28 by Herbivore |
They cost £34. That's not an expense you can afford purely for the sake of having a photo ID if you're on a low income. |
You're essentially saying that low income people have no way of proving their identity.
Isn't that a more of an issue?
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:55 - Apr 28 with 3504 views | Herbivore |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:51 - Apr 28 by StokieBlue |
You're essentially saying that low income people have no way of proving their identity.
Isn't that a more of an issue?
SB |
All photo ID costs money, if you don't plan on driving or going abroad and you're on a low income you won't bear the cost of applying for a passport or driving licence. There are other forms of free, non-photo ID but some of the pilot areas are asking for photo ID for voters and that's an issue. | |
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:55 - Apr 28 with 3501 views | lowhouseblue |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:51 - Apr 28 by StokieBlue |
You're essentially saying that low income people have no way of proving their identity.
Isn't that a more of an issue?
SB |
a national id card would solve this problem and many others. |  |
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:57 - Apr 28 with 3493 views | StokieBlue |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:55 - Apr 28 by Herbivore |
All photo ID costs money, if you don't plan on driving or going abroad and you're on a low income you won't bear the cost of applying for a passport or driving licence. There are other forms of free, non-photo ID but some of the pilot areas are asking for photo ID for voters and that's an issue. |
I understand all that.
My point was that as it stands you are saying there is no way they can prove who they are to the police or anyone else. That can't be the right way to have things.
A different issue to the voting specific discussion I realise.
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:57 - Apr 28 with 3494 views | wkj |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:51 - Apr 28 by StokieBlue |
You're essentially saying that low income people have no way of proving their identity.
Isn't that a more of an issue?
SB |
http://www.pass-scheme.org.uk/card-suppliers/
£15-£25 ID card schemes recognised in the UK as legitimate ID - Provisional is the gold standard probably, but not the only way [Post edited 28 Apr 2018 8:59]
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:58 - Apr 28 with 3495 views | No9 |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:30 - Apr 28 by meekreech |
Try remembering the multi fraud cases in the London areas all involving labour officials , or have you only got one eye ? |
We are talking about Electoral Fraud, what are you talking about?
Links?
Because in London the biggest frauds involved Lady Shirley Porter didn't they? | | | |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 09:01 - Apr 28 with 3476 views | Herbivore |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:57 - Apr 28 by StokieBlue |
I understand all that.
My point was that as it stands you are saying there is no way they can prove who they are to the police or anyone else. That can't be the right way to have things.
A different issue to the voting specific discussion I realise.
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Free ID cards is the solution if you think it ought to be mandatory for people to have a form of photographic ID. | |
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| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 09:02 - Apr 28 with 3475 views | No9 |
| Tories desperately seeking ways to stop the poor from voting on 08:43 - Apr 28 by StokieBlue |
Not a perfect solution but I do think there should be some way of proving your identity. Don't even need a voters card at the moment, just turn up and say anyone's name.
Obviously electronic voting would be the paradigm going forward but we won't see that for a while.
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"Don't even need a voters card at the moment, just turn up and say anyone's name."
That couldn't happen where I vote, even though they know me they still take my voter card, compare with the number on the list and mark it to show I have voted.
I confess I thought that was the rule | | | |
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