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Back spasms 20:40 - May 7 with 5633 viewsACP84

As the title suggests.

Went to see the doctor the other day as I've had pain in my back for almost a week, he's told me I have back spasms and has given me co-codamol for the pain and told me to rest up.

Has anybody else had this and what did you do? these tablets haven't really helped.

Thanks in advance
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Back spasms on 20:45 - May 7 with 4959 viewsFtnfwest

Carried ftnfwest jnr ette the wrong way years ago and back went into spasm. Ended up on diazepam and codeine for a week to relax it and kill the pain, although then just the codeine for another week after that. Still have lower back issues now though (more sciatica to be honest)
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Back spasms on 21:01 - May 7 with 4914 viewsNo9

Beware co-codamol, they can give terrible constipation.
Ask your Doc for naproxen or why you can't have them.
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Back spasms on 21:30 - May 7 with 4871 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Self refer for physio so that you are in the system if it continues.

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Back spasms on 21:35 - May 7 with 4859 viewstcblue

Back spasms on 21:01 - May 7 by No9

Beware co-codamol, they can give terrible constipation.
Ask your Doc for naproxen or why you can't have them.


Disclaimer: not a doctor, this is not advice, just facts for OP:

You can take naproxen with co codamol.

You can buy naproxen OTC, if you're man enough to buy Feminax Ultra.
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Back spasms on 21:36 - May 7 with 4852 viewsEdmundo

Back spasms on 21:30 - May 7 by BanksterDebtSlave

Self refer for physio so that you are in the system if it continues.


Physio, osteo or chiropractor, pain killers are just masking the symptoms. Those guys will look at what's causing the spasm. Meanwhile keep moving and take lots of breaks if your job means you sit a lot.

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Back spasms on 21:37 - May 7 with 4846 viewsNo9

Back spasms on 21:35 - May 7 by tcblue

Disclaimer: not a doctor, this is not advice, just facts for OP:

You can take naproxen with co codamol.

You can buy naproxen OTC, if you're man enough to buy Feminax Ultra.


"You can take naproxen with co codamol."

That wasn't the point
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Back spasms on 21:39 - May 7 with 4853 viewsBlueBadger

Back spasms on 21:36 - May 7 by Edmundo

Physio, osteo or chiropractor, pain killers are just masking the symptoms. Those guys will look at what's causing the spasm. Meanwhile keep moving and take lots of breaks if your job means you sit a lot.


Ignore the osteos or the chiros suggestion, they're quacks. Physio is sensible, as they're likely to be able top point to some root causes and/or some sensible home management you can do.

If its spasmodic type pain, it's not co-codamol you need in the first place, it's something like diazepam that's likely to be more effective for symptom control whilst you seek an underlying cause.
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Back spasms on 21:42 - May 7 with 4847 viewsMedwayTractor

Back spasms on 21:36 - May 7 by Edmundo

Physio, osteo or chiropractor, pain killers are just masking the symptoms. Those guys will look at what's causing the spasm. Meanwhile keep moving and take lots of breaks if your job means you sit a lot.


Couldn't have put it better myself.

I would recommend a chiropractor. I have a good friend who was (very recently retired) one of the best, send me a PM and I'll ask her if she can recommend someone in your area.

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Back spasms on 21:49 - May 7 with 4842 viewsACP84

thanks to all who have posted, very much appreciated

Medwaytractor - i'll give it until Wednesday, if it persists i'll be in touch, thanks
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Back spasms on 21:58 - May 7 with 4830 viewsBlueBadger

Back spasms on 21:49 - May 7 by ACP84

thanks to all who have posted, very much appreciated

Medwaytractor - i'll give it until Wednesday, if it persists i'll be in touch, thanks


Chiropractors and osteopaths are quacks. Regulated ones, but quacks nonetheless. Self refer to a physio.
http://ahpsuffolk.co.uk/Home/SelfReferral/SelfReferral.aspx

And if the pain is spasmodic in nature there may be a nerve element to it as well, might be worth asking your GP is something like diazepam is worth trying for symptom management, particularly if a conventional analagesic like co-codamol isn't cutting the mustard.

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Back spasms on 22:03 - May 7 with 4821 viewsgtsb

I've suffered with a bad back on and off for twenty years. As someone has said, the key is to keep moving if possible. Also wear a weightlifting belt when your back starts aching. Works wonders for me.
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Back spasms on 22:13 - May 7 with 4804 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Back spasms on 21:58 - May 7 by BlueBadger

Chiropractors and osteopaths are quacks. Regulated ones, but quacks nonetheless. Self refer to a physio.
http://ahpsuffolk.co.uk/Home/SelfReferral/SelfReferral.aspx

And if the pain is spasmodic in nature there may be a nerve element to it as well, might be worth asking your GP is something like diazepam is worth trying for symptom management, particularly if a conventional analagesic like co-codamol isn't cutting the mustard.


The (well regarded) osteo I went to with a back in spasm proceded to leave me unable to stand and once I had hobbled/collapsed my way to my van after about an hour then allowed me to drive myself home. Thereupon I got out and collapsed on the drive......rest+valium+as much movement as you can manage without being a hero! I think he popped my disc more than it already was and luckily I recovered enough before my spinal injection (6 month wait, requiring referral from physio) became necessary.
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Back spasms on 22:16 - May 7 with 4792 viewshampstead_blue

back pain is a deep topic.

I've had 14 ops and am about to have my last at the end of the year.

The best advice I can give is to avoid physio, chiro, and all of that.
Self-refer to a great orthopaedic surgeon.

Use google for your best local person and press your GP to get in front of them

The best treatment is naproxen, paracetamol, and hot baths

Only rest if it's a soft tissue injury but keep in mind that most back problems are due to a lack of training.
I've got 6 screws (two are broken) and broke my back in the Army. I do dead lifts, squats with 90 kgs and more besides.

Rest will just seize things. Keep busy. Most of the pain is in your mind and not down to the injury. I've also just done a 6 month pain management program with a hospital in London for vets. I've reduced my morphine by 2/3rds.

Find out the best back specialist in your area, get in front of your GP and tell them you want to see that person.

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Back spasms on 22:17 - May 7 with 4795 viewsBlueBadger

Back spasms on 22:13 - May 7 by BanksterDebtSlave

The (well regarded) osteo I went to with a back in spasm proceded to leave me unable to stand and once I had hobbled/collapsed my way to my van after about an hour then allowed me to drive myself home. Thereupon I got out and collapsed on the drive......rest+valium+as much movement as you can manage without being a hero! I think he popped my disc more than it already was and luckily I recovered enough before my spinal injection (6 month wait, requiring referral from physio) became necessary.
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Backs are too precious to leave to chiros and osteos. The very least a physio will do is No Harm and if they're not able to diagnose and treat will refer onwards to somebody sensible. Chris and osteos will manipulate and fiddle and keep charging you.
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Back spasms on 22:46 - May 7 with 4735 viewsCurrie10

See an osteopath A S A P.

A chiropractor / many will decide you need loads of treatments and get you on this ridiculous long-term plan they try to con people with.

A good osteo will be the best bet.

GPS are about much as a lump of wood- referral for this / that / other / tablets for this and that....
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Back spasms on 22:50 - May 7 with 4729 viewsCurrie10

Back spasms on 21:39 - May 7 by BlueBadger

Ignore the osteos or the chiros suggestion, they're quacks. Physio is sensible, as they're likely to be able top point to some root causes and/or some sensible home management you can do.

If its spasmodic type pain, it's not co-codamol you need in the first place, it's something like diazepam that's likely to be more effective for symptom control whilst you seek an underlying cause.
[Post edited 7 May 2018 21:54]


Absolute rubbish. Have you seen either? I've seen both and compltely disagree with your opinion.

Granted, chriopractors I've seen have been desperate to get me on a ' plan ' straight away....... Osteo much better.

A month ago I had a major problem with my body. No idea what happened, but I couldn't lift my head off a pillow / get up without assistance. I was in absolute agony.

In the end that day I went to A+E in tears / struggling. They gave me painkillers, saw me for all of 2 mins and decided it was one of the three shoulder tendons pulling. I wasn't sure about their advice however went with it.... next day the doctor. The GP gave me more pills and told me I'd be back to normal in 6-8 weeks.......... great I thought.

Two days later I went to the osteopath I'd seen a 3 times a few years ago. One of the discs in my back had slipped onto the one below causing agony. A horrible treatment / lots of ice and I was absolutely fine the next day.
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Back spasms on 22:58 - May 7 with 4716 viewsPlums

Back spasms on 22:17 - May 7 by BlueBadger

Backs are too precious to leave to chiros and osteos. The very least a physio will do is No Harm and if they're not able to diagnose and treat will refer onwards to somebody sensible. Chris and osteos will manipulate and fiddle and keep charging you.
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Your last sentence is absolute garbage. The osteo I use works with a number of high profile sports teams and individuals and when I asked whether I should see him regularly said there would be no benefit as the issue I have won’t be resolved with a maintenance program.
Where he’s had patients he can’t treat, he refers them for conventional/ surgical intervention.

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Back spasms on 23:36 - May 7 with 4691 viewsfactual_blue

Back spasms on 22:50 - May 7 by Currie10

Absolute rubbish. Have you seen either? I've seen both and compltely disagree with your opinion.

Granted, chriopractors I've seen have been desperate to get me on a ' plan ' straight away....... Osteo much better.

A month ago I had a major problem with my body. No idea what happened, but I couldn't lift my head off a pillow / get up without assistance. I was in absolute agony.

In the end that day I went to A+E in tears / struggling. They gave me painkillers, saw me for all of 2 mins and decided it was one of the three shoulder tendons pulling. I wasn't sure about their advice however went with it.... next day the doctor. The GP gave me more pills and told me I'd be back to normal in 6-8 weeks.......... great I thought.

Two days later I went to the osteopath I'd seen a 3 times a few years ago. One of the discs in my back had slipped onto the one below causing agony. A horrible treatment / lots of ice and I was absolutely fine the next day.


On the whole, I'd trust the scientific community on chiropractors

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/reference/chiropractic/

and on osteopathy

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10067-010-1600-6

I'd also trust the opinion of a highly-qualified ICU nurse, whose opinions you dismiss as 'absolute rubbish'.

I'd also suggest you read up on the placebo effect.

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Back spasms on 00:06 - May 8 with 4659 viewsLord_Lucan

Back spasms on 22:16 - May 7 by hampstead_blue

back pain is a deep topic.

I've had 14 ops and am about to have my last at the end of the year.

The best advice I can give is to avoid physio, chiro, and all of that.
Self-refer to a great orthopaedic surgeon.

Use google for your best local person and press your GP to get in front of them

The best treatment is naproxen, paracetamol, and hot baths

Only rest if it's a soft tissue injury but keep in mind that most back problems are due to a lack of training.
I've got 6 screws (two are broken) and broke my back in the Army. I do dead lifts, squats with 90 kgs and more besides.

Rest will just seize things. Keep busy. Most of the pain is in your mind and not down to the injury. I've also just done a 6 month pain management program with a hospital in London for vets. I've reduced my morphine by 2/3rds.

Find out the best back specialist in your area, get in front of your GP and tell them you want to see that person.


Any idea how much an orthopaedic surgeon charges?

I did my back in when I was 15, I've seen "back people" now and again when it gets bad but wouldn't mind seeing an expert about it.

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Back spasms on 00:39 - May 8 with 4629 viewsRyorry

Back spasms on 22:17 - May 7 by BlueBadger

Backs are too precious to leave to chiros and osteos. The very least a physio will do is No Harm and if they're not able to diagnose and treat will refer onwards to somebody sensible. Chris and osteos will manipulate and fiddle and keep charging you.
[Post edited 7 May 2018 22:22]


I'm sorry Badger, I don't often disagree with you, but you have a completely one-sided view of this which may not always be in the best interests of people looking for a *solution* to pain which can be totally incapacitating and a career + relationship wrecker.

The good (qualified, registered, recommended by word of mouth) osteopaths, chiropracters, and acupressure - aka - shiatsu practitioners (the last do a regular/standard NHS physiotherapy degree plus an additional 2 years specialist training on top of that) specialise in the musculoskeletal system and disorders, unlike generically trained GPs. In my experience they are more knowledgeable than even the specialist medics except neuro-surgeons, and even some of the latter are fallible. The *good* chiropracters & osteopaths have X-ray etc facilities, and none that are reputable would touch any patient without such a set of films/scans. In my case (many years ago now) they refused to accept me as a patient because they said I had a slipped disc (correct, tho I have another congenital condition as well), which the only treatment for was rest - still the treatment that my GP prescribes for me to this day when occasionally I put my back out again.

You're also overlooking the fact that conventional medical treatment can do a lot of harm, as it did me - my first lower back op was a disaster, made me considerably worse, and I got addicted to prescribed painkillers to boot. The second op, on my neck over 20 years later was a brilliant success & saved me from quadraplegia, so no-one can say that I'm not extremely grateful to and appreciative of the NHS and conventional medicine. But it's not invariably "the right answer".

To the OP - the best home treatment I have found is alternate hot & cold shower sprayhead on the *root* area of the problem. Play as hot as you can then as cold as you can without burning yourself, about 4 of each for about 20 seconds each, & switching over as fast as you can, before finishing with about a minute of warm. Increases circulation which promotes healing.

If you lie flat on your back, a pillow under your knees may help, ditto warm hot water bottles. I also found relaxation & meditation techniques helpful.

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Back spasms on 21:39 - May 7 by BlueBadger

Ignore the osteos or the chiros suggestion, they're quacks. Physio is sensible, as they're likely to be able top point to some root causes and/or some sensible home management you can do.

If its spasmodic type pain, it's not co-codamol you need in the first place, it's something like diazepam that's likely to be more effective for symptom control whilst you seek an underlying cause.
[Post edited 7 May 2018 21:54]


100% I have wasted fortunes on chiropractors and osteopaths, they relive the pain for a very short while only. If a doctor suggests acupuncture change him/her.

Physio can help but an over enthusiastic type will make things worse, Naproxen, Codeine and Diazepam is a mixture that should sort out the pain, brisk short walks and a wheat heat bag also help.
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Back spasms on 07:00 - May 8 with 4467 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Back spasms on 06:07 - May 8 by imsureazzure

100% I have wasted fortunes on chiropractors and osteopaths, they relive the pain for a very short while only. If a doctor suggests acupuncture change him/her.

Physio can help but an over enthusiastic type will make things worse, Naproxen, Codeine and Diazepam is a mixture that should sort out the pain, brisk short walks and a wheat heat bag also help.


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Back spasms on 07:46 - May 8 with 4428 viewsPinewoodblue

Back spasms on 21:58 - May 7 by BlueBadger

Chiropractors and osteopaths are quacks. Regulated ones, but quacks nonetheless. Self refer to a physio.
http://ahpsuffolk.co.uk/Home/SelfReferral/SelfReferral.aspx

And if the pain is spasmodic in nature there may be a nerve element to it as well, might be worth asking your GP is something like diazepam is worth trying for symptom management, particularly if a conventional analagesic like co-codamol isn't cutting the mustard.


Self referral sounds fine but in practice there can be a long wait before a proper assessment. My wife, who damaged her spinal cord a year ago. Was referred to them directly when discharged from Sheffield Spinal Injuries Unit last July.

At that time they had a backlog of over 100 referrals and had to make a nuisance by ringing every two days before they took action. Later found that they have a system whereby they 'code' referrals. My wife was coded 'green' and have since been told if we had just sat back and waited it could have been up to 17 weeks before seen by anyone.

Sheffield had indicated she wouldn't walk so no rush, she could just do board transfers. Had home visit by Physio and Occupational therapist who asked what my wife expected them to do and she told them 'get me walking' twice weekly physio sessions and six months later she was discharged able to stand unsupported and walk using either a walking frame or rollator.

She is now about to self refer again, at their suggestion when she was ready, as she has started trying to walk with sticks.

On the subject of pain killers she has been reducing her reliance on pain killers etc, telephone consultations with GP's pharmacist, and one of the first drugs she stopped taking was diazapham a generic name for Valium as she didn't want to get hooked on it. It does work quickly helped to control full body spasms in a matter of minutes.

She has been able to manager her pain, without a pain management course.

The biggest problem she faced was learning to identify which advice to follow. It is best to ignore nursing staff who have set views and are unwilling to keep an open mind on alternative treatments. Patients are individuals and there isn't just one path available.

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Back spasms on 09:41 - May 8 with 4369 viewsfactual_blue

Back spasms on 23:36 - May 7 by factual_blue

On the whole, I'd trust the scientific community on chiropractors

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/reference/chiropractic/

and on osteopathy

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10067-010-1600-6

I'd also trust the opinion of a highly-qualified ICU nurse, whose opinions you dismiss as 'absolute rubbish'.

I'd also suggest you read up on the placebo effect.


Down arrows?

It seems all this science stuff is the thing of the past.

We are in a post-enlightenment world, in which rationality is dead.

That also probably explains trump and brexit, come to think of it.

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Back spasms on 10:27 - May 8 with 4336 viewsRyorry

Back spasms on 09:41 - May 8 by factual_blue

Down arrows?

It seems all this science stuff is the thing of the past.

We are in a post-enlightenment world, in which rationality is dead.

That also probably explains trump and brexit, come to think of it.


"Science" in 1918 would have certified you for prophesying that a hundred years later we'd be able to send photos to Australia through the air in less than 10 seconds.

"Science" & X-rays in 1972 "proved" that I didn't have a spinal problem - until MRI scanning proved that I did, when it was first made available 10 years later.

"Science" is only as good as its latest knowledge, and much remains as yet undiscovered by humans (good philosophical discussion point I know).

Many, if not most, GPs nowadays regularly refer patients to osteopaths and chiropracters, acknowledging that their specialist expertise is greater.

Edit: And btw the downvote was also partly for your diagnosing Currie10 ("I'd also suggest you read up on the placebo effect") without having even seen him. Oh the irony.

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