| Rooney rule 16:26 - May 22 with 6837 views | GeoffSentence |
Who do you reckon were the black candidates ME interviewed? I wonder if Sol Campbell got a hearing. |  |
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| Rooney rule on 16:31 - May 22 with 5171 views | Binner |
Perhaps he asked TC to pop in before leaving. |  |
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| Rooney rule on 16:33 - May 22 with 5150 views | Currie10 |
The Rooney rule - an absolute load of rubbish....
What do quotas achieve? Absolutely zero. |  | | |
| Rooney rule on 16:34 - May 22 with 5146 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
There may not be any BAME applicants and therefore no BAME interviewees. |  |
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| Rooney rule on 16:36 - May 22 with 5131 views | Darth_Koont |
Chris Powell perhaps.
You can read his coaching career in a number of ways but I think he's been a bit unlucky with behind-the-scenes stuff, certainly at Charlton. With a more stable club and time, he might go on to have a very good career in the Championship or above. |  |
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| Rooney rule on 16:42 - May 22 with 5088 views | tcblue |
| Rooney rule on 16:33 - May 22 by Currie10 |
The Rooney rule - an absolute load of rubbish....
What do quotas achieve? Absolutely zero. |
Why do you say it's an absolute load of rubbish? It has been a huge success in US professional sports. |  | | |
| Rooney rule on 16:43 - May 22 with 5069 views | bluewein |
| Rooney rule on 16:34 - May 22 by Marshalls_Mullet |
There may not be any BAME applicants and therefore no BAME interviewees. |
A thought echoed by two of our own...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11224598/Ipswich-Town-coaches-Kieron-
"Bramble appreciates the sentiments, but is scathing in his response to the positive discrimination lobbying.
“I used to say at school I’m not getting this and that because I’m black, but I was 10,” Bramble said. “That is such an outdated view. I just see these figures saying there aren’t many black coaches.
“I’d like to see the figures which show how many black players want to go into coaching. I can say that because I’m black and I’m struggling to think of a single black team-mate who showed any interest in coaching. Kieron is the only one.
“How many black people have applied for coaching jobs or management jobs and not got them? We don’t know. We haven’t been shown any proof black coaches and managers have gone for jobs and not got them. We’ve got people saying they’ve been discriminated against, but we’ve not seen any evidence.
“I don’t see my skin colour is going to have any impact on me as a coach, but I haven’t put that to the test elsewhere yet. Ipswich is the club where I started my career and it’s a family club. If we have this conversation in five years, and I’ve gone for other coaching jobs and not got them and people without the same CV as me have, maybe I’ll feel differently.” [Post edited 22 May 2018 16:44]
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| Rooney rule on 16:49 - May 22 with 5031 views | Heathlander |
Princess Meghan |  | | |
| Rooney rule on 16:55 - May 22 with 5000 views | textbackup |
| Rooney rule on 16:42 - May 22 by tcblue |
Why do you say it's an absolute load of rubbish? It has been a huge success in US professional sports. |
Huge success?
‘Here mate youre black I’ll interview you, oh but by the way you are about 45th on our list of those better qialified’ |  |
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| Rooney rule on 16:58 - May 22 with 4990 views | Currie10 |
| Rooney rule on 16:42 - May 22 by tcblue |
Why do you say it's an absolute load of rubbish? It has been a huge success in US professional sports. |
If you're good enough you're on the shortlist.
Irrespective of colour - you are on it.
If you're put on a shortlist for the sake of it, what is the ruddy point.
Absolutely pathetic. | | | |
| Rooney rule on 17:13 - May 22 with 4921 views | clive_baker |
| Rooney rule on 16:33 - May 22 by Currie10 |
The Rooney rule - an absolute load of rubbish....
What do quotas achieve? Absolutely zero. |
My colleagues mate (black) who I’ve been out on the beer with a number of times has started ‘making waves’ in comedy. He was recently put up for a black comedy award. He told them to remove him from the running, didn’t want the award or any association with it. I asked him why, he said something along the lines of ‘I don’t want to be recognised as the best black comedian. Why can I just be the best comedian? And if I’m not, then so be it. I don’t want to compete in this sub category that discriminates on race’. He went on to offer his view on positive discrimination too, was firmly against it and viewed it as a step back.
Obviously that’s one persons opinion, but having heard him out I’m inclined to agree with him. |  |
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| Rooney rule on 17:15 - May 22 with 4909 views | Reuser_is_God |
Does he have to interview a black manager even if he thinks/knows they’re not good enough? |  |
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| Rooney rule on 17:17 - May 22 with 4903 views | tcblue |
| Rooney rule on 16:55 - May 22 by textbackup |
Huge success?
‘Here mate youre black I’ll interview you, oh but by the way you are about 45th on our list of those better qialified’ |
That's not how it has worked in the US.
It seems weird that we're suggesting that we don't want to encourage this. The Rooney Rule in the US effectively created an environment where there was an element of hope for BAME would-be coaches.
Is it that there's no applicants because somehow there's a disposition against interest in management based on ethnicity? Or would a more reasoned view be that, like Titus, players who retire are so conditioned to the status quo that they don't bother to think about it as a career?
As an aside, I'm in agreement broadly against quotas, it is reductive. But if it is a means or tool to broaden the horizons and challenge the status quo for the better, don't we all have a vested interest? Same as the Draconian measures (ineffectual because they're effectively lip service) to gender pay equality brought in recently - it shouldn't need to be a thing, but if it works, who loses out? [Post edited 22 May 2018 17:21]
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| Rooney rule on 17:22 - May 22 with 4860 views | tcblue |
| Rooney rule on 17:13 - May 22 by clive_baker |
My colleagues mate (black) who I’ve been out on the beer with a number of times has started ‘making waves’ in comedy. He was recently put up for a black comedy award. He told them to remove him from the running, didn’t want the award or any association with it. I asked him why, he said something along the lines of ‘I don’t want to be recognised as the best black comedian. Why can I just be the best comedian? And if I’m not, then so be it. I don’t want to compete in this sub category that discriminates on race’. He went on to offer his view on positive discrimination too, was firmly against it and viewed it as a step back.
Obviously that’s one persons opinion, but having heard him out I’m inclined to agree with him. |
This is a false equivalence. And good on your black friend. | | | |
| Rooney rule on 17:22 - May 22 with 4859 views | Darth_Koont |
| Rooney rule on 16:58 - May 22 by Currie10 |
If you're good enough you're on the shortlist.
Irrespective of colour - you are on it.
If you're put on a shortlist for the sake of it, what is the ruddy point.
Absolutely pathetic. |
You need to read up on it.
It improves the whole process as it helps you keep an open mind about all candidates regardless of colour. It helps break interviewers out of the automatic and subconscious decisions that are often made before any candidates have even applied. | |
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| Rooney rule on 17:27 - May 22 with 4838 views | Darth_Koont |
| Rooney rule on 17:13 - May 22 by clive_baker |
My colleagues mate (black) who I’ve been out on the beer with a number of times has started ‘making waves’ in comedy. He was recently put up for a black comedy award. He told them to remove him from the running, didn’t want the award or any association with it. I asked him why, he said something along the lines of ‘I don’t want to be recognised as the best black comedian. Why can I just be the best comedian? And if I’m not, then so be it. I don’t want to compete in this sub category that discriminates on race’. He went on to offer his view on positive discrimination too, was firmly against it and viewed it as a step back.
Obviously that’s one persons opinion, but having heard him out I’m inclined to agree with him. |
Is there a belief however subconscious that black comedians aren't funny?
Would be pretty difficult considering Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock, Dave Chapelle, Hannibal Buress etc. can all be seen as the best comedians in the world. If not the top comedians for a time at least.
With other jobs there isn't that perceived and fully accepted reality to fall back on.
FWIW I think your mate is absolutely right when it comes to comedy. | |
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| Rooney rule on 18:11 - May 22 with 4724 views | Currie10 |
| Rooney rule on 17:22 - May 22 by Darth_Koont |
You need to read up on it.
It improves the whole process as it helps you keep an open mind about all candidates regardless of colour. It helps break interviewers out of the automatic and subconscious decisions that are often made before any candidates have even applied. |
I'd rather not - it's a load of rubbish.
If people in 2018 need to be reminded to keep an open mind............ then there is a serious problem with the world.
Quotas are absolutely insulting, and I would suggest especially on this issue - such a quota is likely to ironically cause more racism not less.
Utter madness. | | | |
| Rooney rule on 18:16 - May 22 with 4708 views | BloomBlue |
How about Wayne Rooney as player manager |  | | |
| Rooney rule on 18:34 - May 22 with 4660 views | DanTheMan |
Yes but if I say it's absolute rubbish with nothing to back that up, I'm right. |  |
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| Rooney rule on 18:42 - May 22 with 4625 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Rooney rule on 16:36 - May 22 by Darth_Koont |
Chris Powell perhaps.
You can read his coaching career in a number of ways but I think he's been a bit unlucky with behind-the-scenes stuff, certainly at Charlton. With a more stable club and time, he might go on to have a very good career in the Championship or above. |
Isn’t he in work at Southend? |  |
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| Rooney rule on 19:01 - May 22 with 4572 views | Darth_Koont |
| Rooney rule on 18:11 - May 22 by Currie10 |
I'd rather not - it's a load of rubbish.
If people in 2018 need to be reminded to keep an open mind............ then there is a serious problem with the world.
Quotas are absolutely insulting, and I would suggest especially on this issue - such a quota is likely to ironically cause more racism not less.
Utter madness. |
You could actually surprise yourself (and me) if you read about it.
As it stands, your opinion doesn't mean anything on its own. | |
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| Rooney rule on 19:04 - May 22 with 4560 views | Darth_Koont |
| Rooney rule on 18:42 - May 22 by ITFC_Forever |
Isn’t he in work at Southend? |
Yes. But wonder if he's someone we've inquired about or if he's applied himself.
He's not far off having the right credentials even though he's not as instantly inspiring as some of the others. | |
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| Rooney rule on 20:28 - May 22 with 4413 views | HennikerBlu |
| Rooney rule on 17:22 - May 22 by tcblue |
This is a false equivalence. And good on your black friend. |
Yet the music industry has its own black awards and of course this is a hot topic in Hollywood the lack of black selection when it comes to awards and for roles. | | | |
| Rooney rule on 20:32 - May 22 with 4401 views | tcblue |
| Rooney rule on 20:28 - May 22 by HennikerBlu |
Yet the music industry has its own black awards and of course this is a hot topic in Hollywood the lack of black selection when it comes to awards and for roles. |
It's still not relevant here though. | | | |
| Rooney rule on 20:37 - May 22 with 4387 views | HennikerBlu |
| Rooney rule on 17:17 - May 22 by tcblue |
That's not how it has worked in the US.
It seems weird that we're suggesting that we don't want to encourage this. The Rooney Rule in the US effectively created an environment where there was an element of hope for BAME would-be coaches.
Is it that there's no applicants because somehow there's a disposition against interest in management based on ethnicity? Or would a more reasoned view be that, like Titus, players who retire are so conditioned to the status quo that they don't bother to think about it as a career?
As an aside, I'm in agreement broadly against quotas, it is reductive. But if it is a means or tool to broaden the horizons and challenge the status quo for the better, don't we all have a vested interest? Same as the Draconian measures (ineffectual because they're effectively lip service) to gender pay equality brought in recently - it shouldn't need to be a thing, but if it works, who loses out? [Post edited 22 May 2018 17:21]
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Good post. I have watched few American documentaries/news items on this and it has been considered very positive and a success. I think we tend to forget that racism (even in glass ceiling terms) is still a significant problem in the States.
It should also be considered that the percentage of black players as a mix is much greater than we see in sports in the UK, Off the top of my head I wouldn't be surprised if it is as much as 50%+ in American football.
Hence, understandably, the very poor black representation with coaches became an issue. | | | |
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