| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources 09:42 - May 24 with 2228 views | StokieBlue |
Pretty interesting concept from Musk here. Obviously unhappy at some media coverage (rightly or wrongly) he’s going to start a website where the public can rate the core truth of an article or source. No bots will be allowed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44233811
Spurred on by these comments he made:
"Problem is journos are under constant pressure to get max clicks & earn advertising dollars or get fired," Mr Musk tweeted.
"Tricky situation, as Tesla doesn’t advertise, but fossil fuel companies & gas/diesel car companies are among world’s biggest advertisers."
I’m think in general Musk really contributes and is driving innovation forward, however I know a few on here really don’t Musk at all. What are peoples thoughts on this new website?
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 09:45 - May 24 with 2213 views | Keno |
So is he looking to sort out the crap Def Info in relation to the Town managers job? |  |
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 09:48 - May 24 with 2197 views | tcblue |
Existential Comics (@existentialcoms) Tweeted:
It's becoming increasingly clear that Elon Musk is an intensely mediocre nerd who got his life philosophy from Rick and Morty, his political philosophy from South Park, and his business philosophy from that 80s guy with boneitis on Futurama.
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 09:52 - May 24 with 2188 views | homer_123 |
| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 09:48 - May 24 by tcblue |
Existential Comics (@existentialcoms) Tweeted:
It's becoming increasingly clear that Elon Musk is an intensely mediocre nerd who got his life philosophy from Rick and Morty, his political philosophy from South Park, and his business philosophy from that 80s guy with boneitis on Futurama.
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And yet, he's doing alright isn't he? |  |
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 09:54 - May 24 with 2186 views | homer_123 |
I agree, I think Musk contributes greatly, although he's clearly a business first - I can't fault what he's done with Tesla, battery storage, Space X etc. I really like HyperLoop etc.
He's investing where others won't (not can't but won't) and making things happen. | |
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 09:57 - May 24 with 2178 views | StokieBlue |
| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 09:52 - May 24 by homer_123 |
And yet, he's doing alright isn't he? |
SpaceX is certainly doing very well indeed. It's the tech company which now finds it easiest to raise funding through private investment.
In 2018 SpaceX has more than 60% of the global launch contracts.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/22/spacex-leading-the-space-race-to-launch-humans-t
Tesla might not be doing as well but it was disruptive. It forced the major car companies to take electric vehicles seriously and has spurred them all on to produce much more environmentally friendly cars and better electric ranges.
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 09:59 - May 24 with 2166 views | Steve_M |
"Problem is journos are under constant pressure to get max clicks & earn advertising dollars or get fired," Mr Musk tweeted.
He has also identified exactly why this won't work. One only has to look at automated bots on Twitter for example to see that weight of numbers doesn't equal accuracy or honesty.
As for Musk, well he's egotistical and driven. I'm not sure those traits make him a person I've any desire to spend time with but they do mean that he is likely to be successful in more things than he isn't. Which is good for society as a whole. |  |
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:00 - May 24 with 2165 views | chicoazul |
No bots will be allowed
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA |  |
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| The funny thing is that the Washington Post and others on 10:02 - May 24 with 2154 views | unstableblue |
.. have been doing something similar on Fox News and Trump protestations.
A database almost of falsehoods.
And yet when the publish latest totals it gets lambasted, despite it being the truth. I actually they are a very trustworthy outlet, just don't align with Trump's agenda.
I think what Musk may bring is an impartiality, a fresh name, a Wikipedia of sorts (albeit thats not always right!) |  |
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:04 - May 24 with 2147 views | No9 |
I note he has registerd Pravda in Delaware - to avoid tax? | | | |
| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:08 - May 24 with 2141 views | LankHenners |
Musk is a big spoiled baby who doesn't like it when people see through the 'nice billionaire' facade he puts on. Creating a site where anyone can rate the 'truth' of something based on whether they like it or not (which, let's face it, is what's going to happen) is as Trumpesque as you can get.
His comments show up his naivety as whilst getting clicks is important, so is reporting the truth (which is his issue here as the truth is inconvenient for him). Reveal is non-profit anyway so to claim they're all about the money is stupid for one thing. And as for describing the them as "just some rich kids in Berkeley who took their political science prof too seriously" - wtf does that even mean (other than an obvious attempt to discredit them)?!
Good couple of Twitter threads by people who know more than me and can explain it better:
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:09 - May 24 with 2133 views | StokieBlue |
| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:04 - May 24 by No9 |
I note he has registerd Pravda in Delaware - to avoid tax? |
Your first thought is always that someone has done something wrong.
I suspect many websites/companies are registered there. As for tax, it's a website to highlight fake news, it doesn't seem like something he would be running for a huge profit (he has SpaceX and his other companies for that).
Edit: That BBC article says it was incorporated in California.
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:23 - May 24 with 2104 views | HurleyBurley |
Interesting all round, especially the fact that the Beeb has allowed readers' comments on this one. Great reading.
Shame that Musk gives no indication of how this "rating of the core truth" will be done. Good luck to him though as there's nothing wrong with his idea in principle.
The first test will be how his "Pravda" ranks news reports of Tesla's failing to meet production targets. |  |
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:24 - May 24 with 2097 views | J2BLUE |
Is the truth the truth or is mass opinion the truth?
I think it will see the most powerful and organised group on social media dictate what truth is regardless of accuracy.
The truth is irrelevant if the majority of people believe a lie. |  |
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:29 - May 24 with 2079 views | HurleyBurley |
| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 09:59 - May 24 by Steve_M |
"Problem is journos are under constant pressure to get max clicks & earn advertising dollars or get fired," Mr Musk tweeted.
He has also identified exactly why this won't work. One only has to look at automated bots on Twitter for example to see that weight of numbers doesn't equal accuracy or honesty.
As for Musk, well he's egotistical and driven. I'm not sure those traits make him a person I've any desire to spend time with but they do mean that he is likely to be successful in more things than he isn't. Which is good for society as a whole. |
How do you know when a tweet or post is from an automated bot?
Everyone seems to accuse everyone else of "fake news", so is it all fake, or just the stuff that either side disagrees with?
It's a lovely idea of his, but like you say, it won't work. | |
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:33 - May 24 with 2074 views | homer_123 |
| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:24 - May 24 by J2BLUE |
Is the truth the truth or is mass opinion the truth?
I think it will see the most powerful and organised group on social media dictate what truth is regardless of accuracy.
The truth is irrelevant if the majority of people believe a lie. |
Perception is reality. | |
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:34 - May 24 with 2065 views | No9 |
| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:09 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
Your first thought is always that someone has done something wrong.
I suspect many websites/companies are registered there. As for tax, it's a website to highlight fake news, it doesn't seem like something he would be running for a huge profit (he has SpaceX and his other companies for that).
Edit: That BBC article says it was incorporated in California.
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"The California Secretary of State’s website shows a Pravda Corp. was registered in October in Delaware. The filing agent and the address listed -- 216 Park Road, Burlingame, California -- are identical to the name and location used for at least two other Musk entities: brain-computer interface startup Neuralink Corp. and tunnel-digging company Boring Co."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-22/musk-s-stock-option-tweet-may
https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-pravda-media-company-already-exists-1826271755
I never said he'd done anything wrong did I? | | | |
| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:36 - May 24 with 2063 views | HurleyBurley |
| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:24 - May 24 by J2BLUE |
Is the truth the truth or is mass opinion the truth?
I think it will see the most powerful and organised group on social media dictate what truth is regardless of accuracy.
The truth is irrelevant if the majority of people believe a lie. |
Don't know why, but your post made me think of some great quotes attributed to Churchill about TRUTH.
This is one such quote, regardless of whether he actually said it:
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:37 - May 24 with 2053 views | StokieBlue |
| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:29 - May 24 by HurleyBurley |
How do you know when a tweet or post is from an automated bot?
Everyone seems to accuse everyone else of "fake news", so is it all fake, or just the stuff that either side disagrees with?
It's a lovely idea of his, but like you say, it won't work. |
On the actual voting side there are ways to try and tell if something comes from a bot (apart from the obvious of not providing an API). For instance in this case if the voting is done via a click then the mouse movements on the site can be analysed and used to determine if a bot was controlling the mouse of a person (smooth movements vs erratic but still sensible human ones). Obviously it would only be a matter of time until a bot could be programmed to fool such a system though.
From a few years back:
https://www.wired.com/2014/12/google-one-click-recaptcha/
Things could be done but then everything can likely also be defeated by a determined enough group.
Obviously determining whether the initial article which is being voted upon was posted by a bot is outside the control of any such website.
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:45 - May 24 with 2026 views | itfcjoe |
He's had some bad press and is in a sulk about it, it's not a good diea in my view. I think Nate Silver sums it up well.
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 10:51 - May 24 with 2011 views | Swansea_Blue |
He's going to let the public rate the core truth of an article or source? Can't see that working. |  |
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 11:10 - May 24 with 1978 views | Father_Jack |
Snopes? |  |
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| Musk to launch website to assess credibility of news stories and sources on 11:40 - May 24 with 1941 views | tcblue |
Its all getting a bit weird. Zuckerberg also wants to have a hand in controlling the news.
I'm sure there's great intentions behind it, but this looks like a way to influence media in a different way than traditional means. But it'll still be influenced. Even if the credibility is crowd sourced, there's ability to influence.
Stick with saving the planet by sending a car into space (I'm just being facetious here, I understand there's showmanship required for his brand). | | | |
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