| The collapse of Villa? 10:46 - Jun 6 with 7521 views | itfcjoe |
If it happens, probably not a bad thing for this league - too much money is being thrown about.
Especially those clubs with parachute payments , which are designed to bridge gap in incomes to cover wage bills not for transfer fees.
Stoke are being linked with Dwight Gayle and Benik Afobe which will cost best part of £25m between them. Totally defeats the point of parachutes.
Villa spent £88m in 16/17, it's such a big gamble. Feels like a big club getting into serious bother having tried to gamble on getting back up is required to make other relegated chairman think again on best approach to take after relegation.
Norwich have made a better fist of cutting their cloth, but are still reliant on a sale of Maddison to get through this season with no financial backing from the board. |  |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 10:47 - Jun 6 with 5915 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I see it as a good thing.
1. Short term its good to see a competing team weaken considerably.
2. It might make other teams look at their own spending / behaviour..... but probably not. |  |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 10:54 - Jun 6 with 5876 views | BlueNomad |
Looking long term, if these "big" clubs go in to meltdown we will be in a good position |  | | |
| The collapse of Villa? on 10:57 - Jun 6 with 5859 views | Jon_456 |
Good.
Be nice to see some of these bigger spenders in the league go into meltdown and then see how other teams get on with a similar budget to us. |  | | |
| The collapse of Villa? on 10:58 - Jun 6 with 5850 views | chicoazul |
| The collapse of Villa? on 10:54 - Jun 6 by BlueNomad |
Looking long term, if these "big" clubs go in to meltdown we will be in a good position |
Maybe this was Marcus' plan all along and we were too stupid to see it. He simply waits, patient as a spider, for everyone else to go bust. |  |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 11:00 - Jun 6 with 5837 views | monty_radio |
It's a thought of mine that excess spending in this league is most often in direct correlation with fans sense of entitlement, engendering fear at boardroom levels. Not saying it's the driver, but it's well up there. | |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 11:05 - Jun 6 with 5805 views | ITFC_Forever |
| The collapse of Villa? on 10:58 - Jun 6 by chicoazul |
Maybe this was Marcus' plan all along and we were too stupid to see it. He simply waits, patient as a spider, for everyone else to go bust. |
He may well have been.
But there's playing the long game, and there's waiting for Championship football to see any vague kind of sense.
And in the meantime, the clubs in the Prem are getting richer and richer. If the Champ clubs do see some kind of sense, then those going up each each will have an even tougher job to stay up. |  |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 11:06 - Jun 6 with 5790 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
Just goes to emphasise the great work Marcus Evans has done for this club and continues to do, no stupidity with irrational spending. Villa can no longer sustain that which suggests 95% of other teams couldn’t either. I genuinely feel Norwich could be heading down the same road unless tentightwn there plans.
Stoke are unfortunately a rare entity that shouldn’t be in the championship. Financially so solid with the backing of Bet365. Hold £0.00 in debt and obviously have vast amounts to spend. Would imagine only one season in the championship and they’ll be back in the Prem. |  |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 11:08 - Jun 6 with 5777 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
Would imagine Maddison isn’t Norwich’s highest paid player and the sale would only balance the wage bill for overpaid players such as Klose etc. I’m glad Villa will be going into admin, should be used as an example that no matter how big the club, finances have to be used appropriately. | |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 11:21 - Jun 6 with 5685 views | itfcjoe |
| The collapse of Villa? on 11:08 - Jun 6 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Would imagine Maddison isn’t Norwich’s highest paid player and the sale would only balance the wage bill for overpaid players such as Klose etc. I’m glad Villa will be going into admin, should be used as an example that no matter how big the club, finances have to be used appropriately. |
The Maddison fee just gives Norwich another year to get their house in order, and realistically find a backer who can cover a few £m a year of losses like Evans does | |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 11:26 - Jun 6 with 5639 views | christiand |
Think the whole situation is really sad and a reflection of the state of the modern game with money being the root of the problem. Yes, Villa are guilty of mismanagement and overspending to get back into the EPL, but to get yourself into a situation like this with the club's future in jeopardy and so many people's livelihoods at stake (not just the players and coaches), it makes for depressing viewing. Is this really how desperate clubs have become? Just doesn't sit comfortably with me personally. | |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 11:38 - Jun 6 with 5547 views | Guthrum |
| The collapse of Villa? on 11:05 - Jun 6 by ITFC_Forever |
He may well have been.
But there's playing the long game, and there's waiting for Championship football to see any vague kind of sense.
And in the meantime, the clubs in the Prem are getting richer and richer. If the Champ clubs do see some kind of sense, then those going up each each will have an even tougher job to stay up. |
Not so sure about that last bit. After all, the moment you're up, income goes through the roof. Sensible management of that (e.g. Burnley, Leicester, Brighton, Huddersfield) can reap dividends. |  |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 11:38 - Jun 6 with 5540 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The collapse of Villa? on 11:26 - Jun 6 by christiand |
Think the whole situation is really sad and a reflection of the state of the modern game with money being the root of the problem. Yes, Villa are guilty of mismanagement and overspending to get back into the EPL, but to get yourself into a situation like this with the club's future in jeopardy and so many people's livelihoods at stake (not just the players and coaches), it makes for depressing viewing. Is this really how desperate clubs have become? Just doesn't sit comfortably with me personally. |
This is why I'm quite happy with Mr Evans. | |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 11:40 - Jun 6 with 5518 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| The collapse of Villa? on 11:06 - Jun 6 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Just goes to emphasise the great work Marcus Evans has done for this club and continues to do, no stupidity with irrational spending. Villa can no longer sustain that which suggests 95% of other teams couldn’t either. I genuinely feel Norwich could be heading down the same road unless tentightwn there plans.
Stoke are unfortunately a rare entity that shouldn’t be in the championship. Financially so solid with the backing of Bet365. Hold £0.00 in debt and obviously have vast amounts to spend. Would imagine only one season in the championship and they’ll be back in the Prem. |
Why shouldn't Stoke be in the Championship? | | | |
| The collapse of Villa? on 11:54 - Jun 6 with 5448 views | itfcjoe |
| The collapse of Villa? on 11:40 - Jun 6 by PrideOfTheEast |
Why shouldn't Stoke be in the Championship? |
Their funding is a lot different now that Peter Coates has now stepped down | |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 11:57 - Jun 6 with 5426 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| The collapse of Villa? on 11:21 - Jun 6 by itfcjoe |
The Maddison fee just gives Norwich another year to get their house in order, and realistically find a backer who can cover a few £m a year of losses like Evans does |
Exactly my point really, doesn’t allow them to push on realistically. Throw another £22 million or whatever they get at the club. It simply allows them to be funded as stable for one more year. Quite worrying times really if the investment doesn’t come in. | |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 12:01 - Jun 6 with 5385 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| The collapse of Villa? on 11:40 - Jun 6 by PrideOfTheEast |
Why shouldn't Stoke be in the Championship? |
Size and stature of the club they’ve built over the last 10 years in the premier league. Granted on merit they should due to the appalling season. But if the season started tomorrow. Stoke could line up with players such as Butland, Indi, Allen, Fletcher, Bojan, Shapiri, Berahino. Really that a premier league squad. Along with added Finance from Denise Coates of 4.8 billion, that’s premier league funding. | |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 12:06 - Jun 6 with 5331 views | GeoffSentence |
| The collapse of Villa? on 12:01 - Jun 6 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Size and stature of the club they’ve built over the last 10 years in the premier league. Granted on merit they should due to the appalling season. But if the season started tomorrow. Stoke could line up with players such as Butland, Indi, Allen, Fletcher, Bojan, Shapiri, Berahino. Really that a premier league squad. Along with added Finance from Denise Coates of 4.8 billion, that’s premier league funding. |
Still seems wrong to me that Stoke are (at least until this season) an established top flight club. I was brought up with them as a second tier c!ub, occasionally moving up or down a division, but quickly returning.
COnversely, Coventry were always a top flight team in my formative years. |  |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 12:08 - Jun 6 with 5322 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| The collapse of Villa? on 12:01 - Jun 6 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Size and stature of the club they’ve built over the last 10 years in the premier league. Granted on merit they should due to the appalling season. But if the season started tomorrow. Stoke could line up with players such as Butland, Indi, Allen, Fletcher, Bojan, Shapiri, Berahino. Really that a premier league squad. Along with added Finance from Denise Coates of 4.8 billion, that’s premier league funding. |
Size and stature of the club? We are talking about Stoke, right?
Granted they have wealthy backers, so do plenty of clubs - many in the Championship. Not sure of the relevance but at least half of those players won't be there next season will they. | | | |
| The collapse of Villa? on 12:11 - Jun 6 with 5286 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| The collapse of Villa? on 12:01 - Jun 6 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Size and stature of the club they’ve built over the last 10 years in the premier league. Granted on merit they should due to the appalling season. But if the season started tomorrow. Stoke could line up with players such as Butland, Indi, Allen, Fletcher, Bojan, Shapiri, Berahino. Really that a premier league squad. Along with added Finance from Denise Coates of 4.8 billion, that’s premier league funding. |
10 years in the Premier League does not a big club make
As for the players listed - Good but a GK, Good, Decent, Old, Been on loan and flatters to deceive, quality but will be sold for a modest fee, toilet |  |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 12:35 - Jun 6 with 5131 views | Illinoisblue |
it appears the Play-Off Final was the equivalent of Villa betting everything they had on black and the ball landing on red. Exit Dr Tony from the casino, sweating and panicking. |  |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 13:14 - Jun 6 with 4985 views | Illinoisblue |
| The collapse of Villa? on 12:06 - Jun 6 by GeoffSentence |
Still seems wrong to me that Stoke are (at least until this season) an established top flight club. I was brought up with them as a second tier c!ub, occasionally moving up or down a division, but quickly returning.
COnversely, Coventry were always a top flight team in my formative years. |
Indeed. Stoke to me is 88-89 at home, playing them in front of 11,000 crowds. Which, funnily enough, could happen this year if we have a sheeite season. | |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 13:16 - Jun 6 with 4969 views | Illinoisblue |
| The collapse of Villa? on 11:21 - Jun 6 by itfcjoe |
The Maddison fee just gives Norwich another year to get their house in order, and realistically find a backer who can cover a few £m a year of losses like Evans does |
aren't Coventry due 25% of any fee over 8million? That would be nice. | |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 13:17 - Jun 6 with 4964 views | IpswichKnight |
| The collapse of Villa? on 13:16 - Jun 6 by Illinoisblue |
aren't Coventry due 25% of any fee over 8million? That would be nice. |
Can guarentee that it will be 7,999,999.99 then! | | | |
| The collapse of Villa? on 18:19 - Jun 6 with 4687 views | Lord_Mac |
| The collapse of Villa? on 13:17 - Jun 6 by IpswichKnight |
Can guarentee that it will be 7,999,999.99 then! |
What pisses me off is that we get beaten by a side built on an unviable financial position, but we never get those points back. Basically they stole someone else’s trip to Wembley and chance for the top flight. | |
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| The collapse of Villa? on 20:12 - Jun 6 with 4561 views | tractorboy1978 |
It's a stark reminder what Evans actually does for the club despite people moaning (me included sometimes). Virtually every club in this division is reliant on a millionaire putting varying degrees of cash in to keep them in a cash positive position. Villa have been irresponsible but there are plenty of others that would go to pot too if the rug was pulled from beneath them tomorrow. | | | |
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