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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? 12:46 - Jun 18 with 3605 viewsSwansea_Blue

Standards are slipping.

We've gone from May's £600m Brexit dividend with a "minor" tax top-up, to Hunt (the *unt) confirming that Brexit savings (if any) won't be "anywhere near enough" all in the space of a couple of days.

Why are we happy to let a thoroughly ineffective 'leader' brazenly and repeatedly lie to us?

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 12:58 - Jun 18 with 2331 viewsBOjK

Utterly ridiculous isn't it?

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:01 - Jun 18 with 2319 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

They all do it.

Funny listening to McDonnell questioning someones finances though. ;-)

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:04 - Jun 18 with 2311 viewscrunchie1978

Labour said they would of ploughed more money in so f##k knows where that would of come from.
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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:08 - Jun 18 with 2305 viewsNo9

news this mornign is that tory MP's have told Mrs May that she needs to address the housing problems otherwise the young will vote her out next time.
All of this is due to opinions not real government policy, those who will edge her out don't waqnt to pick up the mess she has created.

The IFS & OBR are making her look ridiculous
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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:09 - Jun 18 with 2296 viewsNo9

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:01 - Jun 18 by Marshalls_Mullet

They all do it.

Funny listening to McDonnell questioning someones finances though. ;-)


Why?
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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:11 - Jun 18 with 2289 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:09 - Jun 18 by No9

Why?


Because when they dismally failed to win the general election, they were making huge promises that they couldnt fund.

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:12 - Jun 18 with 2281 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:08 - Jun 18 by No9

news this mornign is that tory MP's have told Mrs May that she needs to address the housing problems otherwise the young will vote her out next time.
All of this is due to opinions not real government policy, those who will edge her out don't waqnt to pick up the mess she has created.

The IFS & OBR are making her look ridiculous


I dont think May could do anything to get the vote of the under 30's. She may as well ignore them.

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:13 - Jun 18 with 2277 viewsSwansea_Blue

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:04 - Jun 18 by crunchie1978

Labour said they would of ploughed more money in so f##k knows where that would of come from.


I don't know. Possibly the same place as last time (which presumably was through increased taxes through economic growth?), as at least they've a track record of investing in the NHS.

Anyway this wasn't meant to be a Labour v Cons debate. Even the Tory's biggest supporters surely can't be happy with what's coming out of number 10 recently?

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:15 - Jun 18 with 2273 viewsSwansea_Blue

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:08 - Jun 18 by No9

news this mornign is that tory MP's have told Mrs May that she needs to address the housing problems otherwise the young will vote her out next time.
All of this is due to opinions not real government policy, those who will edge her out don't waqnt to pick up the mess she has created.

The IFS & OBR are making her look ridiculous


And that's another thing. They seem to be prepared to do something to save their own skin, but shouldn't housing be high up on the agenda irrespective of which group of voters it might attract?

Where's the vision, where's the responsibility, where's the leadership?

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:17 - Jun 18 with 2260 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:15 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue

And that's another thing. They seem to be prepared to do something to save their own skin, but shouldn't housing be high up on the agenda irrespective of which group of voters it might attract?

Where's the vision, where's the responsibility, where's the leadership?


Politicians care about one thing, and that one thing is POWER.

I'm sure there is the odd exception.

The problem with housing is it takes a long time to implement change. It should really be something thats tackled on a cross party basis, but I couldnt really see that working.

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:18 - Jun 18 with 2245 viewscrunchie1978

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:13 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue

I don't know. Possibly the same place as last time (which presumably was through increased taxes through economic growth?), as at least they've a track record of investing in the NHS.

Anyway this wasn't meant to be a Labour v Cons debate. Even the Tory's biggest supporters surely can't be happy with what's coming out of number 10 recently?


It's getting the extra money it needs...true it may well never be enough...but hats of to may for finding it....from somewhere.
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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:19 - Jun 18 with 2252 viewsSteve_M

I think that Sam Coates' theory yesterday has a lot going for it here:






One more debasement of UK politics to very slightly mitigate a course of action that will be economically disastrous for the country.

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:21 - Jun 18 with 2243 viewsBOjK

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:01 - Jun 18 by Marshalls_Mullet

They all do it.

Funny listening to McDonnell questioning someones finances though. ;-)


They didn't used to. Seriously. Politicians didn't use to look down the camera and lie to us like this.

Half-truth, evasions and a certain amount of stretching the facts. But these blatant lies are a relatively modern innovation.

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:23 - Jun 18 with 2240 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:19 - Jun 18 by Steve_M

I think that Sam Coates' theory yesterday has a lot going for it here:






One more debasement of UK politics to very slightly mitigate a course of action that will be economically disastrous for the country.


Surely if lots of concessions are to be made, we will end up effectively leaving the EU, but agreeing to keep alot of the current terms.

Not a bad thing.

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:24 - Jun 18 with 2230 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:21 - Jun 18 by BOjK

They didn't used to. Seriously. Politicians didn't use to look down the camera and lie to us like this.

Half-truth, evasions and a certain amount of stretching the facts. But these blatant lies are a relatively modern innovation.


I agree, and that's why most people have no respect for any of them.

Its sad really.
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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:28 - Jun 18 with 2215 viewsSwansea_Blue

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:23 - Jun 18 by Marshalls_Mullet

Surely if lots of concessions are to be made, we will end up effectively leaving the EU, but agreeing to keep alot of the current terms.

Not a bad thing.


Hmm. Striking lots of concessions, especially if it involves having to agree to EU rules, freedom of movement, payment of subscriptions, etc., won't go down well with some. Although I'd pay good money to see Farage explode in a fit of apoplectic rage!

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:30 - Jun 18 with 2204 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:28 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue

Hmm. Striking lots of concessions, especially if it involves having to agree to EU rules, freedom of movement, payment of subscriptions, etc., won't go down well with some. Although I'd pay good money to see Farage explode in a fit of apoplectic rage!


In reality, it will probably be fine with over 50% of the population now.

Most brexit voters are losing their bottle anyway.

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:33 - Jun 18 with 2195 viewsBtreeBlueBlood

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:13 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue

I don't know. Possibly the same place as last time (which presumably was through increased taxes through economic growth?), as at least they've a track record of investing in the NHS.

Anyway this wasn't meant to be a Labour v Cons debate. Even the Tory's biggest supporters surely can't be happy with what's coming out of number 10 recently?


They didnt factor this in........


And now gaming addiction is going to be treated by the nhs!!
Well there goes the 20billion!
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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:33 - Jun 18 with 2195 viewsGlasgowBlue

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:13 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue

I don't know. Possibly the same place as last time (which presumably was through increased taxes through economic growth?), as at least they've a track record of investing in the NHS.

Anyway this wasn't meant to be a Labour v Cons debate. Even the Tory's biggest supporters surely can't be happy with what's coming out of number 10 recently?


Just to refresh your memory

“Jeremy Corbyn vows to use 'funds returned from Brussels' as he pumps £8BILLION into public services after Brexit”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-brussels-funds-12084

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:40 - Jun 18 with 2172 viewsStokieBlue

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:08 - Jun 18 by No9

news this mornign is that tory MP's have told Mrs May that she needs to address the housing problems otherwise the young will vote her out next time.
All of this is due to opinions not real government policy, those who will edge her out don't waqnt to pick up the mess she has created.

The IFS & OBR are making her look ridiculous


I agree, she's ridiculous.

However how come the IFS are seen as an acceptable source to make May look ridiculous but not as an acceptable source when they made comments about Labours manifesto?

SB

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:44 - Jun 18 with 2164 viewsSwansea_Blue

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:33 - Jun 18 by GlasgowBlue

Just to refresh your memory

“Jeremy Corbyn vows to use 'funds returned from Brussels' as he pumps £8BILLION into public services after Brexit”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-brussels-funds-12084


Oh yes, he did didn't he. At least then back in Feb. And that's also a lie, perpetuating the Brexit dividend myth. I can't remember whether they were claiming a Brexit dividend back when they launched their last manifesto though.


But anyway, again, this isn't about Labour. Labour aren't the ones in power and making these (clearly misleading) promises and then correcting them within 48 hours once the propaganda is inescapably out in the public domain. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:46 - Jun 18 with 2148 viewsStokieBlue

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:44 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue

Oh yes, he did didn't he. At least then back in Feb. And that's also a lie, perpetuating the Brexit dividend myth. I can't remember whether they were claiming a Brexit dividend back when they launched their last manifesto though.


But anyway, again, this isn't about Labour. Labour aren't the ones in power and making these (clearly misleading) promises and then correcting them within 48 hours once the propaganda is inescapably out in the public domain. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.


You've hit the nail on the head here.

It's easy to grab the headlines with something like this and then roll back a few days later knowing that the vast majority won't be paying enough attention to notice the backtracking and it won't be in the interests of whoever runs their social media news feeds to tell them.

SB

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:52 - Jun 18 with 2127 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:44 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue

Oh yes, he did didn't he. At least then back in Feb. And that's also a lie, perpetuating the Brexit dividend myth. I can't remember whether they were claiming a Brexit dividend back when they launched their last manifesto though.


But anyway, again, this isn't about Labour. Labour aren't the ones in power and making these (clearly misleading) promises and then correcting them within 48 hours once the propaganda is inescapably out in the public domain. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.


So its OK to lie so long as youre not in power?

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:54 - Jun 18 with 2125 viewsSwansea_Blue

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:46 - Jun 18 by StokieBlue

You've hit the nail on the head here.

It's easy to grab the headlines with something like this and then roll back a few days later knowing that the vast majority won't be paying enough attention to notice the backtracking and it won't be in the interests of whoever runs their social media news feeds to tell them.

SB


It seems to be the norm these days. Maybe the lies were always there, but just percolated more slowly before social media? Trump seems to have elevated bare faced lying to new levels, and never seems to be held to account. Putin is obviously an expert. And we're going the same way. New Labor's spin is nothing on this.

May's playing a dangerous game here. She risks alienating everyone re. Brexit, and undermining public confidence (what little there is left) in the integrity of politicians.

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Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 14:00 - Jun 18 with 2106 viewschicoazul

Nothing on May's lie and magic money tree? on 13:21 - Jun 18 by BOjK

They didn't used to. Seriously. Politicians didn't use to look down the camera and lie to us like this.

Half-truth, evasions and a certain amount of stretching the facts. But these blatant lies are a relatively modern innovation.


Not sure on that one brother.

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