| Why aren’t Labour saying this? 21:34 - Jul 16 with 10886 views | itfcjoe |
The opposition to the Government is another Tory MP |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 10:43 - Jul 17 with 2181 views | giant_stow |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 09:53 - Jul 17 by imsureazzure |
'Much of the Labour Heartland voted to leave so in many ways, Corbyn was more aligned to the grassroots than much of his parliamentary party members'
Correct, the old labour working class heartlands voted to leave, Wales especially, the modern metropolitan labour voters were the fiercest remainers though, it gets very complicated and hypocritical for the Corbynistas, as usual. |
are big cities not labour's heartland now then? Not my understanding.... |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 10:58 - Jul 17 with 2164 views | chicoazul |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 10:43 - Jul 17 by giant_stow |
are big cities not labour's heartland now then? Not my understanding.... |
What I guess he and others mean by this is the same as what I mean when I say something similar; the North East, Wales just as two examples are trad Labour and voted Leave in their droves. Just as London and the other metropolitan areas of Labour strength voted Remain. A huge schism in their vote. I blame Blair as I do for most things. |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 10:59 - Jul 17 with 2144 views | No9 |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 10:58 - Jul 17 by chicoazul |
What I guess he and others mean by this is the same as what I mean when I say something similar; the North East, Wales just as two examples are trad Labour and voted Leave in their droves. Just as London and the other metropolitan areas of Labour strength voted Remain. A huge schism in their vote. I blame Blair as I do for most things. |
"I blame Blair as I do for most things"
An interesting point of view, please explain |  | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 11:00 - Jul 17 with 2153 views | imsureazzure |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 10:58 - Jul 17 by chicoazul |
What I guess he and others mean by this is the same as what I mean when I say something similar; the North East, Wales just as two examples are trad Labour and voted Leave in their droves. Just as London and the other metropolitan areas of Labour strength voted Remain. A huge schism in their vote. I blame Blair as I do for most things. |
Correct in all except Blair, I despise some of the things he done but his government had some top class people in position. |  | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 11:10 - Jul 17 with 2139 views | giant_stow |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 10:58 - Jul 17 by chicoazul |
What I guess he and others mean by this is the same as what I mean when I say something similar; the North East, Wales just as two examples are trad Labour and voted Leave in their droves. Just as London and the other metropolitan areas of Labour strength voted Remain. A huge schism in their vote. I blame Blair as I do for most things. |
That certainly sounds like a fairer description. Overall though, there's no doubt that labour voters support remain by a large margin. | |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 11:20 - Jul 17 with 2130 views | Che |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 23:06 - Jul 16 by bournemouthblue |
Much of the Labour Heartland voted to leave so in many ways, Corbyn was more aligned to the grassroots than much of his parliamentary party members
I'm amazed people are blaming Labour for this mess. It was the Tories who gave us this referendum to try and purge UKIP and only fueled the fire
Much of the Brexit crew who sold the voters their impossible dream then ran off and washed their hands with it
It is a total utter mess, who'd have thought this would happen aye? |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 11:50 - Jul 17 with 2101 views | StokieBlue |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 11:20 - Jul 17 by Che |
Well said |
It's not true though.
How can he be aligned with grassroots voters when 65% of them voted remain?
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 11:55 - Jul 17 with 2090 views | No9 |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 11:20 - Jul 17 by Che |
Well said |
And how many tories e.g. Mrs May, have turned their backs on what the people who put them in parliament ?
Bournemouths point is a good one. | | | |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:00 - Jul 17 with 2088 views | giant_stow |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 11:50 - Jul 17 by StokieBlue |
It's not true though.
How can he be aligned with grassroots voters when 65% of them voted remain?
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Corbyn's doing the opposite of backing the grassroots, probably because he's just another tosser politician. In fact he's not just ignoring labours grassroots, he's betraying them. | |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:04 - Jul 17 with 2085 views | connorscontract |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 23:39 - Jul 16 by stig4532 |
Because unlike Anna Soubry, Labour want the best for our country and to let us get on with Brexit instead of openly trying to thwart it |
Are you a Leaver? Did you vote to end The Good Friday Agreement? Do you care if The Good Friday Agreement has to be torn up in order for Brexit to proceed? | | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:05 - Jul 17 with 2086 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
We should have triggered article 50 and completely left the EU within three months of the vote.
The EU would have been forced to find short term solutions to maintain the status quo, and would have been an excellent base for long term negotiations.
Unfortunately Cameron didn’t have to balls to do that and it should have been his job. |  | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:07 - Jul 17 with 2067 views | No9 |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:05 - Jul 17 by FrowsyArmLarry |
We should have triggered article 50 and completely left the EU within three months of the vote.
The EU would have been forced to find short term solutions to maintain the status quo, and would have been an excellent base for long term negotiations.
Unfortunately Cameron didn’t have to balls to do that and it should have been his job. |
Why would the EU be forced to find a status quo when we rely on the EU so much?
The reasons this is going on so long is simply because of the realisation of that depenency is now hitting home. | | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:09 - Jul 17 with 2073 views | giant_stow |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:05 - Jul 17 by FrowsyArmLarry |
We should have triggered article 50 and completely left the EU within three months of the vote.
The EU would have been forced to find short term solutions to maintain the status quo, and would have been an excellent base for long term negotiations.
Unfortunately Cameron didn’t have to balls to do that and it should have been his job. |
Chaos.
Again the opposite is true - article 50 should never have been triggered. The UK middle was bounced into doing this by a strange alliance of hard tories and the EU.
Edit: sorry to be clear: article 50 shouldn't have been triggered to date. In an ideal scenario, it would only be triggered when we were clear on what we wanted. [Post edited 17 Jul 2018 12:12]
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:09 - Jul 17 with 2063 views | StokieBlue |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 10:38 - Jul 17 by No9 |
You are overstating the power the leader of any opposiiton party has.
It is now almost impossible for any opposioitn party to brign down the sitting administration. Cameron knew this was coming which is why he changed the rules.
You cannot, either, overlook 'The will of the people' I am interested how any opposiotn party can undo that without another vote -? |
My point is being proven today:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/may-faces-brexit-defeat-as-labo
Hopefully you understand the point I was trying to make now.
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:09 - Jul 17 with 2071 views | BlueBadger |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:05 - Jul 17 by FrowsyArmLarry |
We should have triggered article 50 and completely left the EU within three months of the vote.
The EU would have been forced to find short term solutions to maintain the status quo, and would have been an excellent base for long term negotiations.
Unfortunately Cameron didn’t have to balls to do that and it should have been his job. |
Why is the EU's job to sort out our mess, given that we apparently want shot of their meddling? |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:17 - Jul 17 with 2059 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:07 - Jul 17 by No9 |
Why would the EU be forced to find a status quo when we rely on the EU so much?
The reasons this is going on so long is simply because of the realisation of that depenency is now hitting home. |
What, you think they would have just severed all trade overnight and, more importantly, all inter bank transactions?
We probably would have seen a creep in tariffs, but that’s about it | | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:18 - Jul 17 with 2055 views | Steve_M |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:17 - Jul 17 by FrowsyArmLarry |
What, you think they would have just severed all trade overnight and, more importantly, all inter bank transactions?
We probably would have seen a creep in tariffs, but that’s about it |
And what do you think would have happened at Dover and other ports? |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:34 - Jul 17 with 2035 views | Plums |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 08:54 - Jul 17 by DanTheMan |
I'm in Beeston / Chilwell as it happens.
And I'm pretty sure, unless I'm going mental, that David McGoldrick either lives near me or has family near me as I'm 99% sure I've seen him walking past my house with some kids twice.
Not been to the Crown but will do. Actually not been to many pubs in the area barring The White Lion. |
He does. Not sure entirely where but I believe it’s Bramcote. I have seen him in the Cods Scallops in Wollaton which is where I live. He grew up in Wollaton and went to Fernwood School. |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:36 - Jul 17 with 2025 views | No9 |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:17 - Jul 17 by FrowsyArmLarry |
What, you think they would have just severed all trade overnight and, more importantly, all inter bank transactions?
We probably would have seen a creep in tariffs, but that’s about it |
Not at all, since 2010 much of what we need has been handed over to EU companies, they would have just continued as before because there is nothing in the UK to stop them.
How would the UK manage without electric, gas and other fules - just one instance | | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:39 - Jul 17 with 2028 views | Plums |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:18 - Jul 17 by Steve_M |
And what do you think would have happened at Dover and other ports? |
Not to mention aircraft... | |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:44 - Jul 17 with 2012 views | No9 |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:39 - Jul 17 by Plums |
Not to mention aircraft... |
Although Heathrow & BA are essentially Spanish owned | | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:51 - Jul 17 with 2011 views | Trequartista |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:07 - Jul 17 by No9 |
Why would the EU be forced to find a status quo when we rely on the EU so much?
The reasons this is going on so long is simply because of the realisation of that depenency is now hitting home. |
Maybe being too dependent is why we wanted to leave. We don't want to be in a United States of Europe. |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 14:00 - Jul 17 with 1967 views | No9 |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:51 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Maybe being too dependent is why we wanted to leave. We don't want to be in a United States of Europe. |
Dependcy is getting worse not better look at the key stuff given away since 2010.
Maybe you want to be another state of the USA? | | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 15:25 - Jul 17 with 1949 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 12:51 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Maybe being too dependent is why we wanted to leave. We don't want to be in a United States of Europe. |
No, but neither do the rest of Europe.
This United States of Europe/EUSSR trope is silly fear-mongering. As we're seeing and as a lot of Europe have long understood, the way to actually maintain national sovereignty is to seek the economies of scale benefits of aligning ourselves within a large political and economic bloc. Rather than being an ignored voice on the fringe of things that ends up getting pushed around even more. |  |
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