| Why aren’t Labour saying this? 21:34 - Jul 16 with 10889 views | itfcjoe |
The opposition to the Government is another Tory MP |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:37 - Jul 16 with 5125 views | Bluefish |
I keep saying i would support an Anna and Chuka party |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:40 - Jul 16 with 5100 views | No9 |
It's been a tory fight since we joined.
That won't change until one side win & the other lose |  | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:42 - Jul 16 with 5091 views | itfcjoe |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:40 - Jul 16 by No9 |
It's been a tory fight since we joined.
That won't change until one side win & the other lose |
Where are Labour though? | |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:46 - Jul 16 with 5067 views | Steve_M |
Yes, just seen your retweet of that and the same question occurred to me.
Corbyn is utterly wedded to the idea of leaving the EU for his own fantasy reasons, he clearly hasn't got a clue what it will entail either. |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:49 - Jul 16 with 5042 views | pointofblue |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:42 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe |
Where are Labour though? |
Because Labour are as divided as Conservatives on Brexit - as they don’t have to make a decision on it they’re able to make it less obvious. | |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:54 - Jul 16 with 5012 views | m14_blue |
Because they are a woefully ineffective opposition who are more interested in eating themselves than standing up to this shambles of a government.
The tragedy of it is that the country has never needed a decent opposition more.
The 2 main parties should hang their heads in shame at the state of politics in our great democracy and the damage they are doing to their people. | | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:56 - Jul 16 with 4995 views | StokieBlue |
I honestly don't understand why people are expecting Labour to oppose the Tories on this.
Corbyn wants Brexit, it's Labour policy.
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:58 - Jul 16 with 4983 views | tractordownsouth |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:40 - Jul 16 by No9 |
It's been a tory fight since we joined.
That won't change until one side win & the other lose |
It' still up to Labour to form a coherent plan - their plans are just as pie in the sky as the Tories, and this is coming from someone who would vote Labour over Tory.
I think the likes of Soubry and Umunna are excellent. |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:59 - Jul 16 with 4972 views | jimmyvet |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:56 - Jul 16 by StokieBlue |
I honestly don't understand why people are expecting Labour to oppose the Tories on this.
Corbyn wants Brexit, it's Labour policy.
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Agreed but surely the country needs some type of alternative but Corbyn and his hopeless team have no alternative and no clue because as said many times they are more divided than the tories and he is a staunch leaver....what a bloody mess | | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:59 - Jul 16 with 4977 views | DanTheMan |
She's my MP. I didn't vote for her but I can say on this issue she has absolutely held the Government to account.
In fact I've had two vehemently Remain Conservative MPs since being in Notts. The other was Ken Clarke. |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 22:06 - Jul 16 with 4923 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:42 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe |
Where are Labour though? |
Busy abstaining and then if they don’t abstain, they get sacked by Corbyn. |  | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 22:16 - Jul 16 with 4886 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:49 - Jul 16 by pointofblue |
Because Labour are as divided as Conservatives on Brexit - as they don’t have to make a decision on it they’re able to make it less obvious. |
Indeed. I hate the sheer politics of it but makes sense. Why do they want the government's problem of having to deal with reality to become theirs? Or even worse that this becomes another pathetic red vs. blue issue?
It would however be nice if someone could stand up and take a hit for what is right. Stand up and tell people that the Leave vote can't be delivered on the terms it sold itself to the electorate on. And so the referendum result and how much of a mandate it currently gives must now be questioned. |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 22:28 - Jul 16 with 4835 views | Plums |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:59 - Jul 16 by DanTheMan |
She's my MP. I didn't vote for her but I can say on this issue she has absolutely held the Government to account.
In fact I've had two vehemently Remain Conservative MPs since being in Notts. The other was Ken Clarke. |
She’s my MP too - and at least two other posters on here. I’m not David McGoldrick and I know they aren’t so you must be. Will you leave my £5 behind the bar in the Crown in Beeston? |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 22:32 - Jul 16 with 4817 views | jaseitfc |
Because the Labour leadership are more anti EU than May and yet somehow Corbynistas don't see that | | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 22:48 - Jul 16 with 4743 views | tractordownsouth |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 22:32 - Jul 16 by jaseitfc |
Because the Labour leadership are more anti EU than May and yet somehow Corbynistas don't see that |
I've always struggled with the idea that protectionism is left wing and free trade is corporatist. Surely increasing trade barriers to poorer countries within the EU is the opposite to socialism and protecting domestic industries at all costs is exactly the same as ' America First', Trump's trade policy. | |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 23:06 - Jul 16 with 4711 views | bournemouthblue |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 22:32 - Jul 16 by jaseitfc |
Because the Labour leadership are more anti EU than May and yet somehow Corbynistas don't see that |
Much of the Labour Heartland voted to leave so in many ways, Corbyn was more aligned to the grassroots than much of his parliamentary party members
I'm amazed people are blaming Labour for this mess. It was the Tories who gave us this referendum to try and purge UKIP and only fueled the fire
Much of the Brexit crew who sold the voters their impossible dream then ran off and washed their hands with it
It is a total utter mess, who'd have thought this would happen aye? |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 23:20 - Jul 16 with 4673 views | StokieBlue |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 23:06 - Jul 16 by bournemouthblue |
Much of the Labour Heartland voted to leave so in many ways, Corbyn was more aligned to the grassroots than much of his parliamentary party members
I'm amazed people are blaming Labour for this mess. It was the Tories who gave us this referendum to try and purge UKIP and only fueled the fire
Much of the Brexit crew who sold the voters their impossible dream then ran off and washed their hands with it
It is a total utter mess, who'd have thought this would happen aye? |
Overall Labour voters voted to remain by a significant margin so not sure your first point is true.
I agree it's the Tories fault. Nobody can deny that. They are a total shower and the process has been a shambles.
Corbyn does have to take some responsibility though, he orders his party to abstain in all the votes rather than try and hold the government to account. It's ideological dogma guiding his decision to do this, not grassroot alignment. He shouldn't be absolved when this sorry mess is all said and done, I fear he will be though by those who see what they want to see.
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 23:30 - Jul 16 with 4641 views | Bluefish |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 21:59 - Jul 16 by DanTheMan |
She's my MP. I didn't vote for her but I can say on this issue she has absolutely held the Government to account.
In fact I've had two vehemently Remain Conservative MPs since being in Notts. The other was Ken Clarke. |
Whoa when did you move to broxtowe? Which bit? If you ever fancy a match next season I'll give you a lift | |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 23:39 - Jul 16 with 4621 views | stig4532 |
Because unlike Anna Soubry, Labour want the best for our country and to let us get on with Brexit instead of openly trying to thwart it |  | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 23:58 - Jul 16 with 4570 views | pointofblue |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 22:32 - Jul 16 by jaseitfc |
Because the Labour leadership are more anti EU than May and yet somehow Corbynistas don't see that |
May is leading a party which has a healthy number of Brexiters yet is a Remainer; Corbyn is leading a party which has more Remainers yet is a Brexiteer.
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. | |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 00:29 - Jul 17 with 4544 views | jaseitfc |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 23:06 - Jul 16 by bournemouthblue |
Much of the Labour Heartland voted to leave so in many ways, Corbyn was more aligned to the grassroots than much of his parliamentary party members
I'm amazed people are blaming Labour for this mess. It was the Tories who gave us this referendum to try and purge UKIP and only fueled the fire
Much of the Brexit crew who sold the voters their impossible dream then ran off and washed their hands with it
It is a total utter mess, who'd have thought this would happen aye? |
I'm not blaming Labour,
Blame goes to the Cameron led tories for putting their arrogance and party ahead of the national interest. | | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 08:49 - Jul 17 with 4342 views | Archer4721 |
Tories are upset because May has gone back on her word agreed with remainers within her own party and caved into pressure from JRM and his cronies to amendments to the white paper on Brexit..... Her job is at stake and obviously that means more to her than the good of the country. It isn't a Labour issue.
Remember; We had a vote and as a democracy we have to honour that vote in some shape or form.
Labour have put their position forward in 2017 and nothing has changed....The six tests.
Fair migration system for UK business and communities
Retaining strong, collaborative relationship with EU
Protecting national security and tackling cross-border crime
Delivering for all nations and regions of the UK
Protecting workers' rights and employment protections
Ensuring same benefits currently enjoyed within single market
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39398049 |  | | |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 08:54 - Jul 17 with 4328 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Labour aren't saying it because they don't know where the votes are.
"Oh god support Brexit, don't support Brexit - Its 50% of the electorate, lets do very little and try to please everyone" |  |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 08:54 - Jul 17 with 4325 views | DanTheMan |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 22:28 - Jul 16 by Plums |
She’s my MP too - and at least two other posters on here. I’m not David McGoldrick and I know they aren’t so you must be. Will you leave my £5 behind the bar in the Crown in Beeston? |
I'm in Beeston / Chilwell as it happens.
And I'm pretty sure, unless I'm going mental, that David McGoldrick either lives near me or has family near me as I'm 99% sure I've seen him walking past my house with some kids twice.
Not been to the Crown but will do. Actually not been to many pubs in the area barring The White Lion. | |
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| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 08:56 - Jul 17 with 4315 views | DanTheMan |
| Why aren’t Labour saying this? on 23:30 - Jul 16 by Bluefish |
Whoa when did you move to broxtowe? Which bit? If you ever fancy a match next season I'll give you a lift |
Actually last year, was in West Bridgford but bought something in Beeston (Sunnyside if you know it).
That would be massively appreciated. Let me know which games you're going to! | |
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